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Post by maya on Nov 14, 2010 15:01:01 GMT -5
Liz translated that part because it was in the preview yesterday: OMG the exchange about their true names is adorable and funny!As usual thank you Liz for the translation, thank you Mercury for the clip and thank you Joanna for the caps!! I love that scene, it's so funny!! Joanna, Liz and Mercury thank you so much for everything you're doing
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Post by SF on Nov 14, 2010 19:35:30 GMT -5
this episode was ridiculous for so very many reasons. the way they're going about this baby business is grotesque. what do they actually know about these women AT ALL?! also i didn't like how charlie suddenly backed christian as the father in favour of her nephew. i didn't like that side of her character. especially because she is the last remaining foothold of olli support left on the show now judith is gone and everyone else has become enraptured by christian (for some reason i still haven't quite worked out). also - what she said, about it always having been christian's dream, is blatantly not true. i seem to remember that when christian was asked to babysit sophia (carla and lars daughter) he outright refused because he didn't like babies. he was hardly enchanted with them. olli on the other hand was the one who ended up babysitting as he did for christina and always seems so comfortable and happy in the company of children. unlike christian who had to be pushed into giving that little girl a riding lesson. from an outside perspective christian may have thought he wanted a 'conventional set up' only because he is a character who, despite his SO, thrives off being conventional and straight laced so to speak. overspill from his original heterosexual 'dreams' (if you can even call them that) seem to be the foundation upon which he is building this idea of a family with himself at the helm - old dreams and a siblings untamable lust for the life his older brother, gregor, seems to be able to maintain. olli on the other hand, is already demonstrably devoted to the happiness of his little nuclear family - as shown in his willingness to allow christian to be the father. not only is his selflessness and unconditional love more worthy of fatherhood - but his desire seems stronger as well. or at least more considered. then again maybe it was the acting. maybe thore s can't compete with jo w in this instance. his "i'm going to be a daddy" - was like a raffle winner after discovering his ticket entitled him to a case of nice champagne. "wow.. i'm moderately happy." not that i wanted him to verbalize his emotions necessarily but even his expression was a bit lifeless. it bordered more on incredulous than excited. hmm... i just don't know with these two anymore.
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Post by lotuscat on Nov 15, 2010 2:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by dalphine on Nov 15, 2010 8:18:45 GMT -5
I believe that's why they wanted to live together to get to know each other a little better. Like lotuscat said, Olli does drive the relationship. As we seen earlier Christian has always wanted kids the whole nine yards as he told Andi,even before he was a couple with Olli. I found the episode very nice a little laughter and seriousness. To me Olli is a great partner to have and Christian knows that.
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Post by bel7003 on Nov 15, 2010 10:07:32 GMT -5
I must say that I don't really like this thing with the lesbian couple. I mean, nothing wrong with the girls, but somehow the whole idea doesn't seem to be well written. It's as if the writers want to put that thought out of the way so they can move on to something better. (I hope) However, I love the interaction between the guys. I think Thore and Jo are doing a great job, because they have been able to display a whole set of emotions, they have gone from funny to serious, from happy and hopeful to worried and sad... I particularly like the balance in their relationship. We have seen it begin and develop throughout these past 3 years. The characters have grown but their dynamics remains. Olli has always been the one taking the initiative, taking the risk, moving forward. Christian is usually the most insecure one, afraid to take chances, doubting his capabilities, fearing new situations. He always needs someone to "guide" him. And that someone is Olli. Like he said in his wedding vows, Olli showed him who he really was. There's nothing wrong with that. In a balanced relationship, the partners complement each other. And i think that's what's so special about Chrolli. They both have faults but each makes the other's good traits stand out.
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Post by Trish on Nov 15, 2010 10:58:19 GMT -5
I must say that I don't really like this thing with the lesbian couple. I mean, nothing wrong with the girls, but somehow the whole idea doesn't seem to be well written. It's as if the writers want to put that thought out of the way so they can move on to something better. (I hope) However, I love the interaction between the guys. I think Thore and Jo are doing a great job, because they have been able to display a whole set of emotions, they have gone from funny to serious, from happy and hopeful to worried and sad... I particularly like the balance in their relationship. We have seen it begin and develop throughout these past 3 years. The characters have grown but their dynamics remains. Olli has always been the one taking the initiative, taking the risk, moving forward. Christian is usually the most insecure one, afraid to take chances, doubting his capabilities, fearing new situations. He always needs someone to "guide" him. And that someone is Olli. Like he said in his wedding vows, Olli showed him who he really was. There's nothing wrong with that. In a balanced relationship, the partners complement each other. And i think that's what's so special about Chrolli. They both have faults but each makes the other's good traits stand out. I think you are right about them throwing it out there, to get it out of the way. It's like when they brought up the HIV scare. Oh we don't want them to get married without addressing that. It's nice they are trying to cover all basis, I'm sure the idea is to show that it's not easy, but rushing through it kinds of defeats the purpose. It just makes us wonder why they would even do it in the first place.
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Post by dalphine on Nov 15, 2010 11:05:06 GMT -5
I do think the HIV storyline should have been longer, but I don't think the lesbian storyline should be. It has served it's purpose.
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Post by thunderkat on Nov 15, 2010 11:43:50 GMT -5
this episode was ridiculous for so very many reasons. the way they're going about this baby business is grotesque. what do they actually know about these women AT ALL?! also i didn't like how charlie suddenly backed christian as the father in favour of her nephew. i didn't like that side of her character. especially because she is the last remaining foothold of olli support left on the show now judith is gone and everyone else has become enraptured by christian (for some reason i still haven't quite worked out). also - what she said, about it always having been christian's dream, is blatantly not true. i seem to remember that when christian was asked to babysit sophia (carla and lars daughter) he outright refused because he didn't like babies. he was hardly enchanted with them. olli on the other hand was the one who ended up babysitting as he did for christina and always seems so comfortable and happy in the company of children. unlike christian who had to be pushed into giving that little girl a riding lesson. from an outside perspective christian may have thought he wanted a 'conventional set up' only because he is a character who, despite his SO, thrives off being conventional and straight laced so to speak. overspill from his original heterosexual 'dreams' (if you can even call them that) seem to be the foundation upon which he is building this idea of a family with himself at the helm - old dreams and a siblings untamable lust for the life his older brother, gregor, seems to be able to maintain. olli on the other hand, is already demonstrably devoted to the happiness of his little nuclear family - as shown in his willingness to allow christian to be the father. not only is his selflessness and unconditional love more worthy of fatherhood - but his desire seems stronger as well. or at least more considered. then again maybe it was the acting. maybe thore s can't compete with jo w in this instance. his "i'm going to be a daddy" - was like a raffle winner after discovering his ticket entitled him to a case of nice champagne. "wow.. i'm moderately happy." not that i wanted him to verbalize his emotions necessarily but even his expression was a bit lifeless. it bordered more on incredulous than excited. hmm... i just don't know with these two anymore. So this is interesting...that you persist on viewing this relationship as an Olli VS. Christian dynamic. Charlie didn't come right out and say Olli you'd be a terrible father, in fact why don't you just go back to your damn cruise ship, no one wants you here anyway! She simply expressed surprise that Olli would be so adamant about fatherhood, when it hasn't been his ideal, given his history. BEFORE Christian Olli was mr. man about town, and yeah, he was GREAT w. kids, but he NEVER mentioned wanting to have them. Neither did Christian, the writers chose a half of the couple to pin those dreams on, and they pinned in on Christian, and frankly, that's a believable to me given Christian's relationship w. his father and his attachment to his mother. They could have gone the other way and made it Olli as well. I think Christian makes it fairly clear that he'd be happy and proud to have Olli be the biological father as well. Christian NEVER implies that Olli isn't good enough, in fact it's OLLI who starts implying in the episode prior that Christian isn't good enough. In fact, we never actually get to hear Christian's thoughts on the matter, Olli sort of decides for the both of them that it's going to be Christian, and Christian just goes, ok, sounds good. If Olli had decided for the both of them that OLLI would be the father, *gasp shock* Christian would just say "ok, sounds good." But then people would still complain and still cast aspersions on Thore and say something like "I guess Thore just isn't into the SL anymore, he seemed so Blah when Olli decided that he'd be doing the sperm donations himself. Obviously Thore is too busy F***ng Jana to pay attention to the script because he should be more demonstrative even though Christian's character has never been overly demonstrative except in the arena of jealousy... " and blah blah blah and more crap that doesn't take anything into context because really why should we be getting defensive or riled up over a SL that is kind of outlandish and silly in the first place? Bottom line, all i saw in this was Olli being selfless, as usual, by taking the decision out of Christian's hands and giving Christian what he wanted all along. So obviously i'm a little defensive over Christian, Flame me, whatever, I just don't think that people should view this relationship as a Christian VS Olli paradigm. Save that for the Rob SL.
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Post by blondeninjagirl on Nov 15, 2010 12:20:44 GMT -5
I guess Thore just isn't into the SL anymore, he seemed so Blah when Olli decided that he'd be doing the sperm donations himself. Obviously Thore is too busy F***ng Jana to pay attention to the script because he should be more demonstrative even though Christian's character has never been overly demonstrative except in the arena of jealousy... Ok I lol'd at this, i'm a horrible person. ;D Come on fellow ChrOllinites, its not that serious, the boys are just baby crazy. They even make me want to have a baby. I agree with thunderkat, this is not Olli vs Christian, for they are one, ChrOlli. How can people see all this drama when they've delivered such cute scenes? A kiss to all.
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Post by bel7003 on Nov 15, 2010 13:41:36 GMT -5
I agree with thunderkat, this is not Olli vs Christian, for they are one, ChrOlli. How can people see all this drama when they've delivered such cute scenes? A kiss to all. You're absolutely right. A kiss back to you.
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Post by SF on Nov 15, 2010 17:24:31 GMT -5
thunderkat: well i don't know if you were talking about me but i just don't think thore is as strong an actor as jo, personally, (never have done) and it affects the way i view the SL. nothing to do with the actors personal lives. but i don't even think about the actors as individuals when i consider their acting choices. same as i don't hark onto rumors i may have heard about jasmin and jo having something once at some party when i see rebecca being portrayed crappily in scenes which involve olli. i just think JL is a bit of a less experienced actress and it shows. i just didn't like the acting in this episode. and also i don't think it was olli who suggested christian as the father. the lesbians did it. and christian agreed without thinking about consulting olli first. olli has bad traits, don't get me wrong - his self esteem issues cause him to be initially submissive and then fight back in underhanded ways when he realises his low self worth has made him act or agree to things rashly. as it came out in this episode. christian on the otherhand i can't get a read on. he seems to swerve from one opinion to another without much thought - either he's a bit of a wishy washy character or something is going wrong in his portrayal. i think is the latter. but as i said that's just me - and it has no bearing on who the actor is shagging in their spare time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 17:49:29 GMT -5
thunderkat: well i don't know if you were talking about me but i just don't think thore is as strong an actor as jo, personally, (never have done) and it affects the way i view the SL. nothing to do with the actors personal lives. just in my opinion - each on of them is a specialist for the different scene. Thore is especially believable when must to be angry, jealous, angry, or bored.. But in the emotional scenes, he is not always believable - maybe just for me Jo on the other hand could give so much emotion without words, and I just believe that, what he is acting But as demonstrated in recent days ,both of them are good in this comic scenes as well
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Post by fillelina on Nov 16, 2010 11:30:14 GMT -5
christian on the otherhand i can't get a read on. he seems to swerve from one opinion to another without much thought - either he's a bit of a wishy washy character or something is going wrong in his portrayal. i think is the latter. I agree with you. For me this has become problem only recently. In the early days of Chrolli one of the main reasons why I fell in love with Chrolli was Christian's character - it was so easy for me to identify with him, his behaviour and emotions including all his insecurities and consequent questionable behaviour. Nowdays it's harder for me to be on the same wavelength with him. Of course there are things that are completely in character for Christian also in the recent storylines, but sometimes I feel like something is missing. I understand that the character has changed, in a good way, but it's difficult to see the consistency. I don't know who's fault is this, probably the writers'...
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Post by kish on Nov 16, 2010 15:25:23 GMT -5
Well I think I agree with Thunderkat. It is not Olli vs. Christian. I think Olli acted just like Olli always does. And Christian was with him on the same page. He just wants a baby and if it is Olli it is fine with him, he loves his husband and it is not "my baby, your baby", he believes in "our baby". He wants a family, and he isn`t angry with Olli about the way he behaved. If he is the one who "delivers" that would be fine. I think that was really cute today between the boys. And if you take the hugs, they are so different, so much more intimate, like the way the were when Rob was still around. Now you see that they really belong to each other. And if not everybody likes this SL that is ok, but I think the most important thing is that our boys are happy and they love each other and want to take their relationship to the next level.
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