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Post by sistertwist on Nov 17, 2010 20:25:35 GMT -5
If Brendan is not the arsonist, he will get a very sorry Ste in his hands again. He will do anything to get Brendan forgiveness, and he will be very alone. Do you think a sorry Ste will make the first move, or will Brendan have to work a bit to get him back? Rae complicates things a bit as well. I think Ste might try to cling to that relationship especially with Amy leaving.
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Post by Zathras on Nov 17, 2010 21:08:10 GMT -5
Wed, 17 Nov from anthony. Thanks!
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Post by Zathras on Nov 17, 2010 21:21:00 GMT -5
Do you think a sorry Ste will make the first move, or will Brendan have to work a bit to get him back? Rae complicates things a bit as well. I think Ste might try to cling to that relationship especially with Amy leaving. I think that if things go that way, Ste would likely make the first move, but that's just a guess on my part. You're right that Rae complicates things, assuming that Ste feels something for her. But I'm not sure she's at all interested in trying to continue a relationship with Ste, given the revelations about Ste and Brendan's relationship.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 18, 2010 0:58:33 GMT -5
I wonder what Macca was like before falling under Brendan's spell. Macca may not be on the level Brendan is, but he's a very good manlipulator all on his own.
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Post by sistertwist on Nov 18, 2010 4:02:21 GMT -5
I wonder what Macca was like before falling under Brendan's spell. Macca may not be on the level Brendan is, but he's a very good manlipulator all on his own. I can't agree with you more! At first i was very sympathetic towards Macca but the more that is revealed about about him the more I begin to worry. Shades of fatal attraction it seems to me. I wonder if that is part of why Brendan does not care for him any more, rather than it just being a discovery thing. people keep finding out about Ste, but Brendan keeps doing what he can to keep the relationship going rather than chucking it like he did with macca. and Zathras, I think (hope) you are right about rae. Her attitude about the whole situation has turned my overall annoyance with her into genuine dislike. Personally i hope Brendan has to work hard to get Ste back because i think it will raise his value in Brendan's eyes and maybe he will treat him better, but i can easily see a very contrite Ste trying to reconcile. I wonder how much of this is already set in stone and how much the writers change on the fly as the fans reactions to the story filter in. On a side note can you believe how much manhandling Brendan is putting up with from Ste?! The lad has pushed him, poked him shoved him and all but punched him so far. Brendan keeps glancing down at Ste's hands like he can't believe it himself. I want to see it as a sign that Brendan's feelings are more than superficial rather than he is just a manipulator choosing his moment, but that might just be my wishful thinking again.
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Post by anthonyl on Nov 18, 2010 8:12:56 GMT -5
I think once the truth comes out about the fire and Brendan is cleared, Ste will go running to Brendan. He won't be able to resist because he still wants him. Even during the scene where they are fighting and Ste is accusing him, the chemistry is evident and that fact they are really into each other.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 18, 2010 13:29:05 GMT -5
I don't think Brendan will have to move a finger to have Ste begging for forgiveness. When (and if) Brendan is cleared, Ste will feel really bad, he will think that he mistreated his lover, and he will do anything to be with him again. Brendan is a good manipulator, but i don't think he will need to do his best to have Ste back, and probably it will be even easier to dominate and control him
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Post by cheerios on Nov 18, 2010 15:33:39 GMT -5
I didn't even realize that about Brendan. Amy, Macca, Rae, and kinda Cheryl knows about Ste and him and Brendan still wants to pursue the relationship. I don't know if that's an abuser thing, where he claimed Ste and no one giving him up. Or he genuinly cares for Ste in his own twisted way and wants to keep him.
Though he drops Macca as soon as it comes to light about them. But that could just be because the affair with Macca destroyed Brendan's marriage and now he can't see his kids as much as he would like. And he lost the protection of his beard in his wife, forgetting her name. I'm guessing in her anger of finding her husband in bed with a member of her family, she might have told someone about it. But I doubt she told many people either because either she was ashamed of her husband being gay or Brendan threating her not to. Considering both Brendan and Cheryl are able to go back home without people talking makes me think that Brendan's cover is clear.
Yeah I don't trust Macca, he has something up his sleeve. I didn't like that smile he had on his face after Ste confronted him about telling Rae about Brendan. Sure Macca got really screwed over by Brendan, but that doesn't give him the right to come and mess with Ste's life. I think Macca is going to cause just as much trouble as Brendan. I don't see him leaving any bruises on Ste, but I can see him royally messing with his head.
I don't think Brendan caused the fire, it's too easy for him to be the bad guy. He had a motive to want Amy gone sure, but I just can't see him harming those kids. Use them as scare tatics to keep the truth hidden about him yes. But I don't see him ever hurting them phyically. That and did he even know Amy was going to be there that night?
I think when Brendan is cleared of starting the fire, that I'm not sure Ste and him will start something romantic again. But I can see Ste being friendlier at work and there being lots of chemistry between them. But Ste will keep his distance I think as a promise to Amy. Brendan might not have started the fire, but he still beats Ste and keeps him a secret. He still threatens Amy to keep the secret. Amy cares for Ste and will not want him in that enviroment.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 18, 2010 16:11:44 GMT -5
I still don't think that Macca really wants Brendan back. I think he wants revenge
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Post by ari on Nov 18, 2010 18:04:34 GMT -5
Although Brendan and Ste's relationship is toxic and dangerous for Ste, from a soaps standpoint, they are a couple that's hard to forget, and must-see tv. I don'tthink the show will ever totally separate them. They may have many roadblocks (including themselves) standing in their way, but they're a popular and addictive couple to watch.
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Post by sistertwist on Nov 18, 2010 18:05:39 GMT -5
So many good insights! I hadn't even considered that Macca might want revenge, and it makes good sense. Better sense to me than him wanting Brendan back, though the writers have certainly implied Bren is truly something between the sheets. Cheerios I think you bring up a good point about Macca causing Bren's family life to collapse. That does seem to be one of the consistent things about Brendan, he values his family especially his kids. The way Brendan looks at Macca I don't see even a hint of any former affection, only thinly veiled outrage at the very sight of him. And you have another good point about Brendan not even knowing Amy was there that night. I completely forgot about that! I agree with you about Brendan not be the arsonist for the same reasons, plus if he really was guilty I feel there would be no way in hell Ste would ever take up with him again, and i don't think we could respect him if he did. I am so anxious to see how their next encounter plays out.
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Post by kentuckyfan on Nov 18, 2010 19:41:55 GMT -5
I don't think that Brendan was the arsonist, but about him knowing if Amy was there that night....I remember seeing a clip where Brendan was standing looking at Amy's flyer, when the mother of the girl she was baby sitting for came up and spoke with Brendan about needing a sitter. I still don't think that he started the fire, even if he knew Amy was there....I just think he was trying to keep an eye on her.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 18, 2010 20:41:57 GMT -5
So many good insights! I hadn't even considered that Macca might want revenge, and it makes good sense. Better sense to me than him wanting Brendan back, though the writers have certainly implied Bren is truly something between the sheets. When I read your line about dear old Brendan being a wonder between the sheets I laughed. ;D So thanks for that, I needed a good chuckle. Yeah I think Macca does want revenge against Brendan now that I think about it. Macca himself has said that he has nothing to go back for in Ireland. I think Macca lost a whole lot more than Brendan when his affair with Brendan was found out by the missus. Only to find that Brendan has taken up with Ste in his new home and Ste looks a whole lot like Macca. And then Brendan puts Macca in the hospital when he didn't want to leave. Didn't Emmett say himself about Macca's character, "there's nothing like a gay man scorned." I still don't think that Brendan knew that Amy was there. He had no way of knowing when Gabby would hire Amy to babysit. I doubt he was following her, he was too busy trying to get a hold of Ste. Yeah I think Ste will stay away from Brendan for a good while because of the beatings and because of Amy and the kids. But there will always be that pull to each other. And no soap is going to throw away such a popular story line and couple. They did say it would be a long one. And I wouldn't be surprised if Ste and Brendan had tension build up until they fall into bed again. But I really hope that Ste won't let the beatings happen again. If he allows himself to be smooth talked by Brendan again. I am begining to think that Brendan truly cares for Ste. He's just a self loathing homophobic gay man, so Brendan really can't put that into words. But he looks more sad that anger when Ste went to stay with Rae instead of him. And then again when Ste told him to stay away. I don't think any of Brendan's men have ever left him or told him to stay away. He was always the one who drop them, who had all the power. But Ste is proving to be one he can't have so easily and I think it makes Brendan want him more.
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Post by Zathras on Nov 18, 2010 21:40:33 GMT -5
All this talk about Macca fits into a thought that's been forming in my mind for the last few days. What if Macca started the fire?
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Post by sistertwist on Nov 19, 2010 10:42:22 GMT -5
All this talk about Macca fits into a thought that's been forming in my mind for the last few days. What if Macca started the fire? That would be quite a twisty surprise! What do you think his motivation could be? @cheerios Glad to give you a grin. After reading your last post i went back and watched the hospital scene again, and you are so right about Brendan looking sad.. i might even go as far as to say he looked briefly hurt. Such a nice subtle touch for a character that is usually so over the top. As much as a love this storyline, I think the actors are what really addict me to it. They are such a pleasure to watch.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 19, 2010 15:04:59 GMT -5
All this talk about Macca fits into a thought that's been forming in my mind for the last few days. What if Macca started the fire? That would be quite a twisty surprise! What do you think his motivation could be? @cheerios Glad to give you a grin. After reading your last post i went back and watched the hospital scene again, and you are so right about Brendan looking sad.. i might even go as far as to say he looked briefly hurt. Such a nice subtle touch for a character that is usually so over the top. As much as a love this storyline, I think the actors are what really addict me to it. They are such a pleasure to watch. Yeah, I think Brendan has prided himself on the fact that none of his affairs with men have meant anything to him. I mean look at Macca there is no affection there, just lots of loathing against his ex-lover. But Ste is special, I think he's gotten under Brendan's skin and it has taken Brendan by surprise. Brendan told Ste they had to get lady friends as covers for what is really going on. (did Brendan even get one, even close?) Ste got together with Rae, everything went so well that they ended up in bed together. From the look on Ste's face in morning after, it almost looked like he was thinking "Brendan who?" Now Ste is together with Rae and is pulling away from Brendan. And Brendan looks jealous, sad, and hurt. He tried to show off his power in the pairing by telling Rae that Ste would rather be with his "mates" than go off with her. Only for Ste to turn him down and go off with Rae. Brendan is all about control and things happening only when he allows them. But Ste is proving a bit harder to control. The fact that he still blames Brendan for the fire and wants nothing more to do with him. And with Macca hanging around, stirring things up. Brendan is not having the best of days.
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Post by jazz73 on Nov 19, 2010 18:05:26 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-6vzIat3HU&feature=subToday's E4 ep, Monday on the "regular" channel. Nice one, I loved it. Macca is getting on my last nerve. He's just as manipulative as Brendan but without the charm or the hotness. Watch his face after Brendan tells him to go the first time. Or when he's "pumping" Ste for info about them. Speaking of Brendan looked like he was going to murder someone when he saw them kiss. Ste was so cute,"So you're like proper gay?" Heh. Then Brendan threw Lucky Charms against the wall like a ragdoll. He quickly changed his tune whenhe saw Ste and Brendan interact. Ste has more and more inluence over Brendan. Liked how Brendan turned calmly to Macca and told him to leave..again. But he turned hopefully to Ste and Ste turned away, leaving Brendan hurt.Brendan is Brendan but Macca you are not Ste. Brendan loves his Steven.
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Post by talula on Nov 19, 2010 19:04:34 GMT -5
yeah, looks like Brendan really in love with Ste, very interesting, could it be kinda turning point for him and his abusive acting towards Ste? you think he could change?
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Post by cheerios on Nov 19, 2010 20:21:17 GMT -5
He would have to want to change for himself and not just Ste. But yeah it does look like Brendan is falling hard for Ste.
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Post by sistertwist on Nov 19, 2010 20:27:28 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-6vzIat3HU&feature=subToday's E4 ep, Monday on the "regular" channel. Nice one, I loved it. Macca is getting on my last nerve. He's just as manipulative as Brendan but without the charm or the hotness. Watch his face after Brendan tells him to go the first time. Or when he's "pumping" Ste for info about them. Speaking of Brendan looked like he was going to murder someone when he saw them kiss. Ste was so cute,"So you're like proper gay?" Heh. Then Brendan threw Lucky Charms against the wall like a ragdoll. He quickly changed his tune whenhe saw Ste and Brendan interact. Ste has more and more inluence over Brendan. Liked how Brendan turned calmly to Macca and told him to leave..again. But he turned hopefully to Ste and Ste turned away, leaving Brendan hurt.Brendan is Brendan but Macca you are not Ste. Brendan loves his Steven. Yes, yes and YES! This last episode made me so darn happy, but I think Anthony and Zathras might be right about Ste making the first move towards reconciliation. The writers went out their way to show Ste is still thinking about Brendan (a lot) so when he is cleared Ste gets to deal with the guilt for all those accusations and denials. I still hope Brendan has to work hard to get Ste back, but the tension is already building. I see serious sparks every time those two are on screen together, and the manhandling continues! Macca's disbelief was priceless. "Why do you do what he tells you?" I about fainted with joy. I can forgive Macca almost anything now that he has told us what i wanted most to know, so Rae is the one working my last nerve. It's not even that she is interfering in a relationship I care about, it's her incredibly self-centered attitude that keeps disappointing me. She gives so little thought to the consequences of her actions and she seems only to care about how things relate to her. I know we all can be selfish at times, but really, outting Cheryl's brother while she is dealing with her best friend's death? That really is inexcusable in my book. I guess i can try to chalk it up to being young.
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Post by Zathras on Nov 19, 2010 21:19:30 GMT -5
That would be quite a twisty surprise! What do you think his motivation could be? Well, it's not a fully formed hypothesis, just a guess. What follows here is a bit rambling, so hopefully it's coherent. I was thinking it could be a subtle manipulation of circumstances. If he happened to know about (or have an inkling of) Ste and Brendan's relationship, he'd try to split them. Macca has said that he's in love with Brendan and, while that may be true, it could also be a cover. Macca came all the way to find Brendan; he must have had some kind of plan in mind. If he's really in love with Brendan, it could be borderline obsessive, which can cause people to do extreme things. If it's a cover, he could be trying to get revenge. So far, Ste's the primary person to suspect Brendan, which could play into it. It's so far had the effect of splitting up Brendan and Ste, which kind of makes Brendan available (although he's told Macca in no uncertain terms to leave). If he's in love, the motivation might be to hurt Amy or the kids, drive a wedge between Ste and Brendan, and swoop in. If it's for revenge, then trying to frame Brendan for arson (and potentially assault or murder) would also do the trick. It's just a far-fetched thought . Probably not true. Credit to emmetscanlanfans. Anyway ... "How come you do what he says?" ;D That was a hell of a change in Brendan's personality when Ste started screaming at him and pushing him off of Macca, though . He went from totally furious to subdued in 3 seconds flat.
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Post by jazz73 on Nov 19, 2010 22:55:25 GMT -5
Thanks Zathras, you're right. I always check out emmetscanlanfans for Brendan vids.
Interesting how annoying Lucky Charms was the one to point out to Ste that Brendan loves him. And that he's in more trouble now. But I agree, Steven certainly can soothe the savage beast.
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Post by sistertwist on Nov 20, 2010 0:03:22 GMT -5
That would be quite a twisty surprise! What do you think his motivation could be? Well, it's not a fully formed hypothesis, just a guess. What follows here is a bit rambling, so hopefully it's coherent. I was thinking it could be a subtle manipulation of circumstances. If he happened to know about (or have an inkling of) Ste and Brendan's relationship, he'd try to split them. Macca has said that he's in love with Brendan and, while that may be true, it could also be a cover. Macca came all the way to find Brendan; he must have had some kind of plan in mind. If he's really in love with Brendan, it could be borderline obsessive, which can cause people to do extreme things. If it's a cover, he could be trying to get revenge. So far, Ste's the primary person to suspect Brendan, which could play into it. It's so far had the effect of splitting up Brendan and Ste, which kind of makes Brendan available (although he's told Macca in no uncertain terms to leave). If he's in love, the motivation might be to hurt Amy or the kids, drive a wedge between Ste and Brendan, and swoop in. If it's for revenge, then trying to frame Brendan for arson (and potentially assault or murder) would also do the trick. It's just a far-fetched thought . Probably not true. "How come you do what he says?" ;D That was a hell of a change in Brendan's personality when Ste started screaming at him and pushing him off of Macca, though . He went from totally furious to subdued in 3 seconds flat. I don't think your guess far-fetched, but I think logistically it might not work since Macca was in hospital, though I suppose that doesn't mean he couldn't have slipped out for a little arson. And Brendan subdued! Who would have thought! It pained me a little to see Brendan wanting so badly to speak to Ste but knowing it wasn't the right time. That little sigh that escaped him before he left reminded me of the sigh he gave at the hospital when Ste chose to go home with Rae. The hurt that flickered across his features when Ste turned his face from him was so wonderful and sad all at the same time. Karma is working hard on this couple. I know most folks think Brendan is an irredeemable abuser as well as a jerk, but i am going to hold onto my hopes. I agree with cheerios about Brendan needing to change for himself not just Ste, but love can be a powerful catalyst. How did you guys read Ste's reaction to being told Brendan was in love with him? I saw confusion take over from anger, then it looked as if his expression softened a little. I am worried that I'm seeing what i want to, rather than what was portrayed.
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Post by cathy29 on Nov 20, 2010 1:03:56 GMT -5
So many things happen in today episode.Ste has so much anger towards Brendan because he thinks his the one that started the fire that could of killed Amy and his kids.Ste doesn't want nothing to do with Brendan but he still answers his calls and he hates that Brendan gets mad at him.Ste talk with Macca about Brendan and if he is gay.That talk was a bit weird .Ste acted like him and Brendan sleeped together one time and that he didn't care for Brendan and that he has a gf.As i see it Ste is hiding his true feelings for Brendan because his mad at him.Brendan showing some feelings towards Ste made me so sad for him because he can't accept that his gay and that his falling for a guy.Macca telling Ste that Brendan loves him.The face of Ste changed from being mad to looking surprised and confused.I see Ste running back to Brendan when the real arson person is arrested but Macca still causing drama for them
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Post by maya on Nov 20, 2010 12:06:20 GMT -5
Although Brendan and Ste's relationship is toxic and dangerous for Ste, from a soaps standpoint, they are a couple that's hard to forget, and must-see tv. I don'tthink the show will ever totally separate them. They may have many roadblocks (including themselves) standing in their way, but they're a popular and addictive couple to watch. I think you're right, this couple is creating quite a buzz and right now Hollyoaks needs fans support more than ever cause it's more than a year that ratings are steadily dropping down and Stendan storyline is the only one talked about at the moment. On digital spy forum there is also an appreciation thread dedicated to Brendan and there are many fans who are posting like crazy everyday and I think that the scriptwriters may take into consideration the fans reaction when they will decide where the storyline will go. We'll have just to wait and see
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