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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 24, 2008 10:34:44 GMT -5
okay - AWZ officially takes the crown for 'dumbest storyline so far in 2008'. a killer virus? GIVE ME A BREAK! Which is saying something considering "Back In Iraq..."!
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 24, 2008 10:45:18 GMT -5
Well since I read that when Nuke came on the other storyline that was one was some chick drowning in quicksand...
Personally, I have always preferred the relationship drama/intrigue only soaps over the campy ones (like Days of Our Lives). But who knows. It could be terrible trainwreck cheesy awesome. Or maybe they can get some good inter character drama out of it. Most soaps usually do it like that when they bother to do an earth quake/hotel fire/other huge disaster.
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Post by amber80 on Apr 24, 2008 12:08:01 GMT -5
A fire or something like that sounds a lot more plausible than a killer virus. Who's gonna buy thát?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 1, 2008 10:50:48 GMT -5
Are there any new spoilers out? I know they usually are released on Thursdays. I still can't talk about Killer Virus! Ok, so I am totally looking forward to next week's eps. Not just the DeRo dance in front of Vanessa (seriously, I know I will so need a LJ icon of that moment) and Deniz blaming his kissing Roman on Roman but also the return of real Nadja.
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Post by lolaruns on May 1, 2008 11:04:59 GMT -5
There are new previews, but no mention of DeRo.
-A cure is found but Oliver used some illegal means to get it or something. Juli's father uses this to force her to give Oliver up or else Oliver will lose his license. - Richard Steinkamp falls for Nadja and they kiss, but she still loves Mariam. Marian and Richard fight for Nadja. - Jenny continues doping. Diana trains hard despite her injury. - Anette survives, Ingo marries her on the spot and later organizes a honeymoon for them.
No mentions of Deniz, Roman, Nina or Vanessa. (last episode spoiled is for 13th of June)
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Post by Bonobochick on May 1, 2008 11:22:07 GMT -5
There are new previews, but no mention of DeRo. -A cure is found but Oliver used some illegal means to get it or something. Juli's father uses this to force her to give Oliver up or else Oliver will lose his license. - Richard Steinkamp falls for Nadja and they kiss, but she still loves Mariam. Marian and Richard fight for Nadja. - Jenny continues doping. Diana trains hard despite her injury. - Anette survives, Ingo marries her on the spot and later organizes a honeymoon for them. No mentions of Deniz, Roman, Nina or Vanessa. (last episode spoiled is for 13th of June) Thanks. The Juli/Oliver sounds ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz. As for Richard falling for Nadja, isnt' that how Ben came about? I am still mad at Annette for being a crap friend to Roman.
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Post by lolaruns on May 2, 2008 2:14:59 GMT -5
Anybody else finds it interesting that there is barely a mention of RoDeVa? Makes you wonder if the storyline is "down for retooling".
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Post by g73t on May 2, 2008 4:23:39 GMT -5
Anybody else finds it interesting that there is barely a mention of RoDeVa? Makes you wonder if the storyline is "down for retooling". well I hope not
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Post by lolaruns on May 2, 2008 4:43:51 GMT -5
No, no, I meant in a good way. Like they heard the complaints about ending DeRo and now have to think of ways to get them back together. That said, I can't imagine ReDeVa not being on. Vanessa's dad is in danger as is Anette and Nadja. They have to be on in some way, even if it is just to support their families. I wonder if DeVa are still together at this point? Wasn't the last we heard of them Nina taking that picture of DeRo kissing during truth and dare?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 3, 2008 13:10:30 GMT -5
No, no, I meant in a good way. Like they heard the complaints about ending DeRo and now have to think of ways to get them back together. That said, I can't imagine ReDeVa not being on. Vanessa's dad is in danger as is Anette and Nadja. They have to be on in some way, even if it is just to support their families. I wonder if DeVa are still together at this point? Wasn't the last we heard of them Nina taking that picture of DeRo kissing during truth and dare? One can only hope since DeVa is a quick trip to nowhere. I think that this triangle could have worked a bit better had it been written differently but the way it's being executed makes something that might have been somewhat plausible (Deniz going back in the closet for whatever reasons) instead into a badly written, idiotic mess. I really hope TIIC are re-tooling VaDeRo as that whole storyline is really not working. And here's to also hoping they bring in another man for Roman to not only attempt to move on but also make Deniz super-jealous. And yea, I've seen nothing for DeRo past the "Truth or Dare Kiss" though now that Nina has said that Marian raped her and she decides to blackmail Deniz with the photo of he & roman kissing, I guess we can all see where that part of the storyline is going. *sigh* I think some new spoilers will be out this upcoming Thursday so let's hope there is some good news, or at least something pleasantly entertaining. I also wish they'd stop with the incest, but that's another rant for another day.
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Post by lolaruns on May 3, 2008 13:27:22 GMT -5
Considering how off the rocker Nina has been lately I would expect her to plan something pretty sinister with the picture, but it seems that all of that is delayed by the virus storyline. Let's just hope that DeRo is back in form by the time I get annoyed with Ollian [yes, I'm very picky, why do you ask?]
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Post by Bonobochick on May 3, 2008 13:39:01 GMT -5
Considering how off the rocker Nina has been lately I would expect her to plan something pretty sinister with the picture, but it seems that all of that is delayed by the virus storyline. Let's just hope that DeRo is back in form by the time I get annoyed with Ollian [yes, I'm very picky, why do you ask?] That whole killer virus storyline makes me role my eyes in disgust. The stupidity level is equivalent with "Back In Iraq...". We know that Ollian is still going on strong in June, so unless TPTB at VL decided to have Christian and Lydia get together (let's just say I am suspicious of her moving in), we will probably have til late summer before they start to derail. If TPTB at AWZ are possibly re-tooling DeRo - which is a strong possibility with the photocap on RTL's site with "Deniz und Roman: Neue Liebe" (which I still wonder how can it be new love when it never went away) - then it could be by late summer that they start to make their way toward each other. Now, as much as I love DeRo, Deniz is still not ready for anything like that, so I would accept DeVa breaking up and him working on growing the hell up while Roman plays around for a while with other guys in place of hearing Deniz pathetically whine how he's in love with Vanessa cause going off the look on his face when they last hugged and she whispered she loved him & he returned it, he KNOWS he is full of shit regarding being in love with her. I've always not liked Nina... partially cause I feel the actress is weak... but more because she's such a whiny self-absorbed brat. About the only thing I give her a break on is being bitter toward Deniz & that is only cause I feel he deserves her barbs after how badly he used her to hide his sexuality.
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Post by lolaruns on May 3, 2008 13:48:56 GMT -5
I think it's just my annoyance with the fact that I think that a "Christian is an out gay boxer and still kicks ass" would be a much more enjoyable storyline than "Christian keeps hiding his sexuality because of boxing". *is easily grumpy* Besides, I'm paranoid. I always fear that the show will turn around and stab me in the back. I'm not worried about Lydia though. I think Lydia is supposed to be this amazing zomg supercouple with Sebastian, so I don't think that there is anything to worry about from her side other than her being boring. Even if Olli or Christian fell for her, she would surely dump them quickly because her heart is still with Sebastian. I'm more worried about Judith (which would totally break my heart because I adore her) or about the new chick Rebecca who is still a cypher and who doesn't arrive till June. My hate is mostly based on the worry that That I'm way too worried that if they ever hooked up Christian and Judith, for example in a "She becomes his pretend girlfriend and then he falls for her for real" kind of storyline, they would totally do it at Olli's expense.
Because even though I wouldn't *like* it, I could live with a "Christian falls in love with Judith" storyline. Because unlike AWZ VL never spent much energy indicating that Christian likes only guys. So I could live with a "He fell for Olli, but he just likes girls better" or "He just falls for her" storyline. It would make me sad, but I could live with it.
But if this turns into "Olli becomes a possessive, demanding and jealous asshole which drives poor Christian to fall for the saintly Judith" storyline I'd be spitting tooth and nails. Because you can write a good and heartbreaking break up story without villainizing any of the characters for it. Or without underminding the original love story.
Or, shudder, they could make him the male version of Jana, who was always this annoying blind pollyanna totally worshipping Leonhard while being willfully in denial about him carrying things on with Sarah. I don't think that I could sit through that if it was Ollian. Hopefully I'm just paranoid.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 3, 2008 14:08:54 GMT -5
I have also been checking out official profiles of the 3 players of this triangle mess to see if I can get some clues as to where things might be going (besides the Neue Liebe stuff). Deniz: Der rebellische Deniz spielt im Eishockeyteam des Zentrums. Nach einer stürmischen Liebe zu dem Eisläufer Roman Wild glaubt Deniz zunächst, schwul zu sein, doch durch seine Freundschaft zu Vanessa erkennt er, dass er auch noch auf Frauen steht. Weil er sich nicht für eine(n) entscheiden kann, bringt er sich in große emotionale Konflikte. Hmm, so are they retracting his "I'm gay" then "I'm not gay or maybe I am but I am in love with Vanessa" to "I'm bisexual"? It's still a mess the way it's being executed cause Deniz's motivations aren't all that clear so he just comes off as a confused asshole 90% of the time Roman: Roman, Eiskunstläufer im Steinkamp-Team und Dritter bei den Weltmeisterschaften im Eiskunstlauf, steht zu seinem Schwulsein. Bei einem Überfall auf ihn wird er so schwer verletzt, dass er darum bangen muss, ob er jemals wieder aufs Eis kann. Verliebt ist er in den jungen Deniz, der aber noch nicht so recht weiß, ob er wirklich nur auf Männer steht. So we all know Roman is in love with Deniz but why won't they have him at least try to move on since he knows how screwed in the head Deniz is? Vanessa: Vanessa ist der Punk und die Rebellin in der Familie Steinkamp. Aus Trotz gegen die mangelnde Aufmerksamkeit in ihrer Familie hat sich Vanessa ein dickes Fell angefuttert und eine freche Klappe zugelegt. Sport treibt sie auf dem Eis, als leidenschaftliche Spielerin im Steinkamp-Eishockeyteam. Im Team hat sie auch Deniz kennen gelernt, in den sie sich verliebt. I see RTL is still saying that Deniz fell in love with Vanessa. Hopefully we in the audience might see something of what TIIC see since that is one thing that is not apparent in their interactions.
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Post by lolaruns on May 7, 2008 13:40:27 GMT -5
New spoilers. I don't know, maybe it will be a very good, dramatic storyline, but my first emotion when reading those new spoilers was "Okay, is there ANY storyline on AWZ left that doesn't have a psycho in it?".
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Post by amber80 on May 7, 2008 13:52:51 GMT -5
I must say: I don't like the sound of these new spoilers... I'm not fond of drugs-related storylines in general for all that matters. But I'm just hoping it'll turn out better than it sounds. (Thanks for spoilers anyway!
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Post by lolaruns on May 7, 2008 13:56:58 GMT -5
Maybe we should make a poll, which spoiler hurts your brain more "Roman takes advantage of Deniz who is high on cocaine" or "Olli gets Christian Judith as his beard".
That said, IF they play it for the soapy factor (which I'm guessing they probably will) it could be all nice and dramatic. But on a real life level it's extremely ick. Suddenly Marian looks less insane for thinking that Roman might not be such a great boyfriend for Deniz.
I'm confused about the wording in regards to Ingo and the WG. They are sort of placed next to each other, does that mean that Ingo catches them and figures out what state Deniz is in? Or that Roman and Deniz are fighting and Ingo has to go between them? Or somebody else in the WG/flatshare is fighting? Or it's totally unrelated to DeRo?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 7, 2008 14:05:53 GMT -5
I am glad that there are new spoilers regarding DeRo. I wish TIIC would find a better way to put them back together - even if for moments of them just making out - but I think they're trying, just trying with really stupid storylines, but trying nonetheless. I wish TIIC would give Igor and Dennis quality writing to work with since we all know both actors can handle heavy material.
To put it out there: I don't like that Roman keeps being written as some sort of sexual predator type taking advantage of Deniz during vulnerable moments. The writers need to be careful with how they're writing Roman and his pursuit of Deniz otherwise it's gonna start to seem that they're equating an out, gay man with sexually predatory behavior & that is so not cool.
I am a bit confused. Does a fight break out between Deniz & Roman at the flat that Ingo has to break up or a fight in general that Ingo has to break up?
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Post by maya on May 7, 2008 14:19:57 GMT -5
So sad for DeRo, this is not a love story anymore. In the end they will make Vanessa rescue Deniz from addiction or from Roman sexually predatory behavior. Mark my words!
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Post by lolaruns on May 7, 2008 14:35:49 GMT -5
So sad for DeRo, this is not a love story anymore. In the end they will make Vanessa rescue Deniz from addiction or from Roman sexually predatory behavior. Mark my words! Well technically it could also be something along the lines of "Deniz can admit his feelings during the influence of drugs, Marian and Ingo find out and Roman is ostracized by everybody, Deniz feels sorry for his plight and they get back together". The question is, do the VL writers like us that much? Personally, I'm more miffed by the whole insertion of "BTW, Deniz misses Vanessa while partying".
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Post by Bonobochick on May 7, 2008 15:01:54 GMT -5
The missing Vanessa thing was a bit of an eye-twitcher but that is probably the person he is closest to even if he is with her romantically for all the wrong reasons. I really still feel sometimes that TIIC don't know how to either make this triangle interesting or just kill it and go in another direction with the three characters. Someone seems to think things are working currently between VaDeRo and they totally aren't. Things aren't ATWT level stupid but they're still lacking overall. After seeing the great coming out story, we all know TIIC can do better, so why are they settling for mediocrity and shock storylines? The drug thing isn't really surprising - though what the fuck is Deniz wearing in those photos?? - but Roman needs to be helping Deniz off drugs, not helping Deniz's clothes off. I have a feeling when I see it play out that I will enjoy the chemistry and the snogging but totally wishing it was under different circumstances. Yay for this happening the day after my birthday?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 14, 2008 11:16:39 GMT -5
Any new spoilers? I mean, I know we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for KILLER VIRUS to play out but anything else on the horizon?
Why, oh why are Deniz and Roman each wearing such an awful shirt in the drug promo pics?
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Post by GayTime on May 14, 2008 14:12:35 GMT -5
Any new spoilers? I mean, I know we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for KILLER VIRUS to play out but anything else on the horizon? Why, oh why are Deniz and Roman each wearing such an awful shirt in the drug promo pics? should come later today / early tomorrow.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 15, 2008 10:39:10 GMT -5
I just saw the spoilers starting June 23rd...Wow, first the horror of Roman's shirt and jacket and then those spoilers. I don't know what to make of them except they're a hot mess. They still read better than KILLER VIRUS but not much better. Oh, not because I miss DeVa even remotely but it's interesting that there is no mention of Vanessa in all of this. And shouldn't it be Deniz does something else mean to Roman? What in the world are TIIC at AWZ smoking?? I understand drama, but shouldn't there be a love story in there somewhere?
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Post by amber80 on May 15, 2008 10:46:42 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused too... Where is Vanessa in all this? Anyway, But when Deniz insults* Roman too Marian feels completely justified in his attitude towards Deniz. *this is a particularly complicated term to translate. Literally it's something along the lines of "knocks him before the head" and means that he does something bad can be anything from doing something offensive, rejecting something that is offered etc. Closest is probably that he does something that takes Roman aback. Since when shows Marian any concern about Roman??
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