|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 17, 2008 10:58:52 GMT -5
Personally, my dream storyline would be for Roman to scheme and seduce the heck out of Deniz and then dump him after destroying DeVa. Now that would truly be the avenger of all the broken hearted ;D If wanting that is wrong, I don't want to be right. Seriously, reading the spoilers, I think it's time for Deniz's ego to be checked. And hard. I love that Roman is using Deniz's vanity weakness against him. If the writers won't give Roman another love interest then this is the next best thing IMO cause Deniz deserves a bit of hurt for what he's put Roman through and what he will put Vanessa through. On another note, those photos of DeRo in the pool? Hot. I wonder if the kiss that happens next week between DeRo inspires Roman to set up his vengeance plan? Hmmm This is about to get very, very interesting.
|
|
|
Post by amber80 on Apr 17, 2008 11:01:17 GMT -5
Deniz really does sound like a huge dick. Though trying to give Vanessa a makeover? Don't even try to deny your gayness anymore ;D Lol, exactly my first thought when I read the spoilers... ;D Part of me really wants Roman to take revenge (I would love to see Deniz suffer for a while: he's been a real ass so he deserves it), but the other part of me doesn't want it because to me it wouldn't seem in character. Like Simone already said: he'll probably be head over heels in love with Deniz all over again...
|
|
|
Post by lolaruns on Apr 17, 2008 11:05:35 GMT -5
I don't think it would be that out of character. Roman is very angry. I could see him breaking up DeVa and then walking away. That could lead to a story about Deniz grovelling and Roman eventually taking him back. But who knows if the storyline will be that cool.
bonobo, that is a good point about how those two kisses are connected. Does the kiss give Roman hope and that's why he ups his game? Does it make him even more determined to "prove that Deniz is gay"? Does it make him mad if Deniz kisses him but won't follow through?
I'm still hard pressed to see how this is supposed to make Deniz a likable hero. Seems that he is acting just as weasily again like he was when he was going behind Roman's back. Fool me once etc... Is Deniz that weak a character?
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 17, 2008 11:21:07 GMT -5
I don't think it would be that out of character. Roman is very angry. I could see him breaking up DeVa and then walking away. That could lead to a story about Deniz grovelling and Roman eventually taking him back. But who knows if the storyline will be that cool. bonobo, that is a good point about how those two kisses are connected. Does the kiss give Roman hope and that's why he ups his game? Does it make him even more determined to "prove that Deniz is gay"? Does it make him mad if Deniz kisses him but won't follow through? I'm still hard pressed to see how this is supposed to make Deniz a likable hero. Seems that he is acting just as weasily again like he was when he was going behind Roman's back. Fool me once etc... Is Deniz that weak a character? I think Deniz's youth and lack of maturity make him interesting as a character cause he's all over the place but frustratingly weak integrity-wise. I think sometimes he knows what he wants and other times he doesn't so he does these spur of the moment things then lies about them (repeat pattern with Deniz ). The thing is now Roman's caught on and knows how to manipulate Deniz rather well. I think Roman's ego is hurt and I think on some level he still loves/deeply cares about Deniz. At the same time, I think the pain and humiliation he feels from Deniz cheating on him is a lot stronger than his love for him and he wants to make Deniz feel some of how Deniz made him feel. I think ever since SEX ATTACK that Roman knows Deniz is still attracted to him plus he has always doubted that Deniz isn't gay. I am not sure if Roman is even thinking about whether Deniz still loves him, just that Deniz wants him and right now that's enough. Roman willl use that knowledge when it suits him. Nina sucks hardcore, though after seeing early clips, I totally understand her desire to get revenge on Deniz since he so cold-heartedly used her to cover up being gay. ETA: I think the dance DeRo share in 2 weeks at the party (does anyone know how that comes to pass?) will also feed Roman's belief that Deniz is still very much attracted to him.
|
|
|
Post by babylondancer on Apr 18, 2008 8:22:23 GMT -5
Translation: Even though Deniz ends the kiss with Roman pretty fast he keeps having conflicting feelings.
Sounds to me as if RTL hasn't ended their story completely and as if there's still hope for a new DeRo.
|
|
|
Post by amber80 on Apr 18, 2008 9:55:06 GMT -5
Let's hope so...
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 18, 2008 10:31:37 GMT -5
Translation: Even though Deniz ends the kiss with Roman pretty fast he keeps having conflicting feelings. Sounds to me as if RTL hasn't ended their story completely and as if there's still hope for a new DeRo. I am not surprised about his conflicting feelings. His passion for Roman was never really in doubt. It's everything else that's the problem. Now which kiss is this again? The truth or dare kiss or the kiss next week? Cause Deniz seems to be kissing Roman a lot recently. On a related note, I so want an icon of them dancing to use on my LJ.
|
|
maya
Full Member
Posts: 2,137
|
Post by maya on Apr 18, 2008 10:37:44 GMT -5
About the lastest spoilers, a part from the truth or dare kiss (it's always good to see them making out cause there is great chemistry), all of the circumstances and events leading there don't seem promising to me for my beloved characters imho. From what I've read Deniz comes out like a real jerk, selfish and shallow, thinking only about himself, not caring either about Roman or Vanessa. Roman is protrayed like a person with a dignity just barely above ground, ready to run as soon as Deniz makes a sign and mocking Vanessa who seems, from what the writers make us percieve her, the only poor victim of this situation. I don't stand how things are going, because it was Roman, at the start, victim of a betrayal and now he's almost the villain of the piece and Vanessa the only beaming light, positive character of this confused storyline. I really really hope to be wrong and the future episodes will be played out different from what I thougth.
|
|
|
Post by lolaruns on Apr 18, 2008 10:45:06 GMT -5
I believe that the conflicted feelings are from the first kiss.
So it's like this:
kiss/dance One week of planning Vanessa's birthday party truth or dare kiss
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 18, 2008 10:56:24 GMT -5
About the lastest spoilers, a part from the truth or dare kiss (it's always good to see them making out cause there is great chemistry), all of the circumstances and events leading there don't seem promising to me for my beloved characters imho. From what I've read Deniz comes out like a real jerk, selfish and shallow, thinking only about himself, not caring either about Roman or Vanessa. Roman is protrayed like a person with a dignity just barely above ground, ready to run as soon as Deniz makes a sign and mocking Vanessa who seems, from what the writers make us percieve her, the only poor victim of this situation. I don't stand how things are going, because it was Roman, at the start, victim of a betrayal and now he's almost the villain of the piece and Vanessa the only beaming light, positive character of this confused storyline. I really really hope to be wrong and the future episodes will be played out different from what I thougth. It's definitely being written to portray Vanessa as the victim (starting with that red spandex shirt!!) but unfortunately for the TIIC at AWZ, my memory is not faulty on this storyline so I vividly recall her cheating with Deniz when she knew he was with Roman so if she gets screwed over by the guy she helped screw over someone else, I have little to no sympathy for her. What goes around, comes around. Despite TIIC attempting to strip Roman of any dignity by having him stalk or attack Deniz at every turn, he is still the only one in this triangle that I feel remotely any compassion for though I wish he'd stop with the diva moments. That said, Deniz definitely needs the hardest fall of everyone in this triangle. because the character is totally being written as a conceited jerk and he needs to mature a lot. I am hoping that somewhere in all of this drama that the writers start to show that Deniz is going to learn that he can't have it all and that he can't be king of the world with having everyone fall at his feet. If they don't have Deniz grow in some way, the character is going to become flat or, worse, become like Sarah Barnes.
|
|
|
Post by lolaruns on Apr 18, 2008 11:09:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't feel that much sympathy for Vanessa either, but I hate, hate, HATE the thought that Deniz should get off scott free for (potentially) cheating on two people just because he is hot.
It might be realistic, but god does it bug.
|
|
|
Post by amber80 on Apr 18, 2008 14:57:51 GMT -5
If they don't have Deniz grow in some way, the character is going to become flat or, worse, become like Sarah Barnes. Now that's a scary image...
|
|
maya
Full Member
Posts: 2,137
|
Post by maya on Apr 20, 2008 10:48:20 GMT -5
I agree with you all, I can't stand Vanessa even if the writers try to paint her like the poor innocent victim, but the worst part is that at the moment I can't stand Roman also, and I'm sorry because I'd really like to feel some kind of feelings for him, to root for him, I hope this will change soon. I found a German forum full of DeVa fans furious for their favourite couple now and I fear that the writers will drag the Deniz/Roman/Vanessa story for a very long time in order to keep both of the fandom hooked.
|
|
Simone
Junior Member
Posts: 276
|
Post by Simone on Apr 20, 2008 11:13:32 GMT -5
A forum full of Deniz/Vanessa fans? Why am I not surprised. Tons of women believe that a gay man can be turned straight out of love. The writers must be in heaven.
Vanessa isn't any kind of victim. She knew what she was getting into becoming involved with a gay man. If she ends up being roadkill, she had it coming big time.
Roman is the real victim in this whole mess. Ultimately, this story is all about featuring Igor and Deniz will come out on top of both Vanessa and Roman.
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 20, 2008 16:27:38 GMT -5
A forum full of Deniz/Vanessa fans? Why am I not surprised. Tons of women believe that a gay man can be turned straight out of love. The writers must be in heaven. Vanessa isn't any kind of victim. She knew what she was getting into becoming involved with a gay man. If she ends up being roadkill, she had it coming big time. Roman is the real victim in this whole mess. Ultimately, this story is all about featuring Igor and Deniz will come out on top of both Vanessa and Roman. I am not surprised but I am boggled because it's not as if DeVa has chemistry or is anything to be excited about not to mention Deniz still gives off a "I AM GAY" vibe despite having a girlfriend. That said, I am looking forward to this week's clips.
|
|
Simone
Junior Member
Posts: 276
|
Post by Simone on Apr 20, 2008 17:29:32 GMT -5
But Deniz doesn't give off the "I'm gay" vibe now that he with Vanessa. He doesn't express any doubts. He doesn't look at Roman or other guys longingly. Deniz comes of as being completely into Vanessa. If I hadn't watched Deniz and Roman together, I wouldn't have guessed that they were a couple in the past by just looking at Deniz's behavior.
As for chemistry, well, I have come to the conclusion chemistry is totally subjective though two good actors can give good performances. From my perspective, Deniz and Vanessa have a sweet gentle chemistry with no passion, but I suspect that is because the actress is overweight so the writers' have deliberately toned down their sexual relationship.
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 20, 2008 18:11:09 GMT -5
But Deniz doesn't give off the "I'm gay" vibe now that he with Vanessa. He doesn't express any doubts. He doesn't look at Roman or other guys longingly. Deniz comes of as being completely into Vanessa. If I hadn't watched Deniz and Roman together, I wouldn't have guessed that they were a couple in the past by just looking at Deniz's behavior. As for chemistry, well, I have come to the conclusion chemistry is totally subjective though two good actors can give good performances. From my perspective, Deniz and Vanessa have a sweet gentle chemistry with no passion, but I suspect that is because the actress is overweight so the writers' have deliberately toned down their sexual relationship. Totally a matter of opinion regarding the vibe & chemistry. For me, just because Deniz isn't staring at Roman or other men in some longing manner doesn't negate the vibe he gives off. I don't get that he's totally into Vanessa either. He values her greatly, just as he did when they were just friends and she's important to him. The relationship comes off to me exactly as it did before they became a couple except now they've added seemingly passionless sex to it. I think Deniz & Vanessa are great as friends and I still see that at times in their current couple status but when they try to get romantic or passionate with one another, it goes right out of the window believability-wise. Also there is no need for Deniz to stare at Roman longlingly when it's been written that Deniz knows that in a second if he snapped his fingers, Roman would be there & willing. Trite but totally how it's being played out at the moment. I haven't thought about the weight issue in terms of that being a reason TIIC are playing down sex scenes (if anything I've just been grateful not to be subjected to more sparks-free romps between D/V). I've seen a few other couples where the woman was overweight and it didn't matter. *shrugs* With Deniz & Vanessa, I've never seen a romantic spark whatsoever thus I don't blame the lack of more sex scenes solely on that. I think if anything it keeps the audience guessing how things are between them when they knock boots but I haven't gotten the impression that it exactly sets off rockets but it's passable. I remember being that age and being just about a bunny rabbit when it came to sex. Vanessa is putting that vibe out there that she can't get enough of sex with Deniz but with Deniz it comes across much more lackadaisical when it comes to wanting sex with Vanessa. After seeing the way he was with Roman, it's obvious he's capable of a great deal of passion toward a sex partner but he simply doesn't seem to feel that for Vanessa despite how much he seems to care about her. At least, that's how it's coming across to me when I watch their interactions. I think how Deniz treats Vanessa in the upcoming couple of months will be interesting when he lets his ego & conflicting feelings take over from the supposed contentedness he's sporting now. That Roman uses Deniz's weakness to drive a bigger wedge between DeVa is icing on the cake, IMO. I think the writers wrote Deniz as not being shown having conflicted feelings for a time in order to build up this triangle and show the differences between what Deniz feels & how he acts in relationships with both Roman and Vanessa. It's just a guess and I think the next few months will show the audience a little more as to what's going on with him besides the overblown ego.
|
|
Simone
Junior Member
Posts: 276
|
Post by Simone on Apr 20, 2008 18:47:11 GMT -5
Well, we are definitely talking about opinions because I certainly am not getting that vibe that you are from Deniz. My point is and remains that anyone who is a fan of Deniz and Vanessa has every reason that hope that they will be together for a long time and that Deniz loves her very much whatever his past relationship with Roman.
I suspect that Maya is right that the writers are doing nothing, but throwing bones at the Deniz/Roman fans while they hold on the Deniz/Vanessa fans who very well may be a significant portion of the audience at this point.
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 20, 2008 19:14:02 GMT -5
Well, we are definitely talking about opinions because I certainly am not getting that vibe that you are from Deniz. My point is and remains that anyone who is a fan of Deniz and Vanessa has every reason that hope that they will be together for a long time and that Deniz loves her very much whatever his past relationship with Roman. I suspect that Maya is right that the writers are doing nothing, but throwing bones at the Deniz/Roman fans while they hold on the Deniz/Vanessa fans who very well may be a significant portion of the audience at this point. And your point is understood but also it should be noted that people who don't feel that way also have justification for thinking that Deniz/Vanessa is not endgame. Regardless of whatever hard sell is going on by TIIC, I don't see DeVa as a good love story, let alone a great one not to mention it isn't compelling in the least to me. Nothing will change my mind on that no matter what happens in the future. And there are other fans of the show who also feel like I do on the subject just like there are those who seem to think DeVa is a great couple. But no thanks for me regarding DeVa. I'd rather watch Craig & Sarah again than get a paler imitation. I can honestly look at Deniz with Vanessa separate from his past with Roman and not buy for one second that he is love with her. He can say it, but IMO it's lip service from a confused 17 year old who has no idea about what he wants. Believe me, I've had couples on various TV shows I've loved together break up and been ok with them with new partners if it fits or plays out with even modicum of plausibility. DeVa lacks both factors IMO. I don't really check out other boards so I don't know about the significant portion of the audience are DeVa fans. I know they have their fans but they also have their haters. While I've definitely come across the former, I've seen more of the latter. In the end, it's about what the writers think is the better story. I'd be disappointed if they thought DeVa was the better story than DeRo, but it wouldn't the first time a soap has chosen a lesser coupling and foisted it off as a supercouple. It would just leave me wondering what they smoke when they do the dailies and why they don't share shit that good that it leaves you so off.
|
|
|
Post by babylondancer on Apr 21, 2008 8:59:45 GMT -5
For me it always looks like Deniz and Vanessa love each other like brother and sister. Deniz is still so young and so afraid of being gay. Maybe he's just misreading his feelings for Vanessa because it's so much easier to be with a girl. As for the sex: Just remember what Brian said in QaF: At his age he can rub against a tree and still come. ;-)
|
|
|
Post by Bonobochick on Apr 23, 2008 23:34:20 GMT -5
The spoilers are real? Not some horrible fake out or practical joke? AWZ does Outbreak?? You know, it reads SO badly that I am ok if DeRo (and Vanessa) sit that out.
|
|
|
Post by lolaruns on Apr 23, 2008 23:42:45 GMT -5
Spoilers are from here. worldweb24.rtl.de/cgi-bin/fo3/wwb.cgi?_SID=zjza0EqaJckmRXVvqjC5i0&x=2005161664&_TID=2583&START=20Desaster storylines can be used to connect or reconnect people who wouldn't in normal circumstances, so I wouldn't rule out that it could have an effect on DeRoVa (whether it is "Deniz and Vanessa come closer as he comforts her about her dad inside" or "Vanessa and Ben connect because both their parents are inside" or "Deniz sees VaBe growing closer and boinks Roman in revenge" or "DeRo boink each other out of 'we are so relieved we are alive' feelings"). Except so far the focus doesn't seem to be on that. That said, generally I have always preferred soaps who mostly stay away from big stunts like that, (B&B vs. Days) but that's just personal preference.
|
|
|
Post by GayTime on Apr 24, 2008 8:57:30 GMT -5
okay - AWZ officially takes the crown for 'dumbest storyline so far in 2008'. a killer virus? GIVE ME A BREAK! did grundy decide to give their week's supply of magic mushrooms to AWZ's writers only? ? what's next? deniz, roman, ben and vanessa running through the nightly streets of essen with a video camera, fleeing from a giant monster? after reading these spoilers, i wouldn't be surprised.
|
|
|
Post by babylondancer on Apr 24, 2008 9:22:14 GMT -5
Yep. I'm already thinking about moving away, I'm living far too close to Essen. Who knows? Maybe this virus will break out and make it up here? It sounds as if it might be dangerous staying in the region. lol
I never knew how dangerous it is to live in Germany. Any ideas where I should move to? Maybe the jungle? Iraq? Looks like everywhere might be safer then Germany.
|
|
|
Post by lolaruns on Apr 24, 2008 10:34:38 GMT -5
Oh AWZ! Taking on world politics with the whole "there is a medication, but they aren't allowed to import it, yaddayadday".
|
|