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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 30, 2008 12:54:26 GMT -5
Please discuss the pairing here.
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Post by Simone on Apr 1, 2008 21:18:19 GMT -5
So what did we think of Deniz and Roman's confrontation about the job? I was able to pick up a couple works and could figure the rest out from the episode synopsis. Roman's ego was hurt about losing the job. They were so close to each other when they were yelling that I thought they would grab each other and starting making ou. I wish we were getting more of them over this week.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 1, 2008 22:11:31 GMT -5
So what did we think of Deniz and Roman's confrontation about the job? I was able to pick up a couple works and could figure the rest out from the et about losing the job. They were so close to each other when they were yelling that I thought they would grab each other and starting making ou. I wish we were getting more of them over this week. I see what you mean. They were totally up in each other's faces. A part of me was waiting for the music to swell and then them kissing. I think Roman's ego is hurt but I also think he's seeing one more thing he wants that Deniz is taking way from him (which of course started with Deniz cheating on him with Vanessa then choosing to be with her). Roman completely diva'd out in the episode but then this isn't the first time that he went in to a situation with Deniz half-c0cked.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 1, 2008 23:46:38 GMT -5
- Roman asks if he didn't get the job because he is gay. Guy says "As far as I know you and Deniz were a couple so these accusations won't fly". Jenny and Roman complain that Deniz's shooting was terrible. Guy shows them the pictures. Says so many good pictures can't be an accident. Roman says he worked his butt off for Steinkamp and got a bronze medal, he deserves this job! He runs off.
- Deniz comforts Marian. Says the baby and the mother will pull through.
- Jenny tries to talk Guy into hiring Roman. Guy says his hands are tied and Deniz is the right guy and it's a question of charisma. Jenny says Deniz is too primitive and will embrarrass them. Guy and mom say they'll teach him. Guy flatters Jenny by saying Deniz low brow ness will bring out her high brow ness on the posters. Jenny seems to enjoy that thought.
- Roman accuses Deniz of only playing in love with Vanessa to get the modelling Job. Deniz says he is in love with Vanessa. Says he didn't even know about the job until today. Says he didn't even want the job. Roman yells again he worked his butt off and he won't let Deniz take this job away from him.
- Roman wants some support from Jenny when he complains about Deniz getting the job and how it's time to show that he can't get everything with his sad puppy dog eyed look. Roman gets peeved when Jenny isn't as passionately supportive as he would like her to be. Jenny says it's not an issue because Deniz would rather be pool boy anyway. Deniz arrives, Maximilian offers him the money, Deniz says he is still worried about Nadja. Max says she'll be out of of he hospital before Deniz has his first shooting. Deniz looks at Roman, says he has to leave to go to the hospital and goes without taking the money.
- Roman is still pissed. Says how convenient that Deniz doesn't want the job anymore. He probably doesn't need it because the world is an oyster to the guy boinking the daughter of the boss. Deniz says he is sleeping with his girlfriend because he loves her. Roman says Deniz isn't the first gay man sleeping with a woman to get ahead. One boink and he gets a job as a pool boy. How many boinks for the modelling job. 10? 100? Deniz is angry. Says he wanted to turn the job down, but now that Roman is acting like that maybe he'll reconsider. Says he has bigger things to worry about. Roman is like "Oh yeah?". Deniz tells him that Nadja might lose the child.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2008 0:05:28 GMT -5
Thanks Lola. Max is a punk.
I love that everyone seems to still say Deniz is gay even though he is with Vanessa. The casual way folks throw about the knowledge that DeRo were a couple. Were I Vanessa, I'd feel a bit insecure in everyone thinking my boyfriend was still gay... and in constant contact with his ex that I saw firsthand that he couldn't keep his hands off of. But then, I haven't lost my senses like Vanessa.
Deniz, Deniz, Deniz... so in denial about his feelings. Hot mess!
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 2, 2008 0:08:26 GMT -5
I think the problem about the storyline at the moment seems to be that Roman is coming across like it's much more about proving a point that Deniz is gay. Not that he still has feelings for Roman. When they have confrontations Roman is all "You are such a d*ck, admit you are gay!" and not "Admit, you still have feelings for me, the thing we had, it can't just not matter to you" (aka the Brooke Logan attack).
At the moment Roman accusses Deniz of being so calculating that he would ditch Roman to sleep with a woman to get ahead. Err, if Roman really thinks that, why would he ever want to hook up with Deniz again? Particularly since it seems to be an issue of pride for Roman that you don't go and deny your sexuality.
[man writing on this board is a real pain with the automatic obscenity filter. imagine my shock then I didn't know the name of Mrs. Steinkamp and just named her b*tch!woman and it came out pregant dog!woman]
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2008 0:50:21 GMT -5
I realized the obscenity filter the first time I wrote scheisse in English and it came out as "nuts" when I posted. I think the problem about the storyline at the moment seems to be that Roman is coming across like it's much more about proving a point that Deniz is gay. Not that he still has feelings for Roman. When they have confrontations Roman is all "You are such a d*ck, admit you are gay!" and not "Admit, you still have feelings for me, the thing we had, it can't just not matter to you" (aka the Brooke Logan attack). Maybe it's a guy thing that Roman isn't saying to Deniz "tell me I matter to you". That seems much more like what a woman would say in an argument of that nature. Maybe I am just stereotyping the genders but I can't imagine any of my guy friends - gay and straight - saying the "tell me I matter to you" stuff to an ex. It would be more along the lines of what Roman says to Deniz, basically calling him a coward & other names by trying to hide what he is so he can be in a relationship with Vanessa. I also think that at the moment though Roman still wants Deniz back on some level, even more he wants to hurt Deniz for hurting him so I get the impression that any time Roman can taunt Deniz and make him feel just as miserable & inadequate as Deniz made him feel by lying and cheating, I think Roman is going to embrace it. Remember when Roman "rescued" Deniz from that guy trying to pick him up before they were officially together? Even then Roman was like "I care about you, @sshole" (I put that clip up in the favorite moments thread earlier today) before kissing him, so it's par for the course it seems for Roman to make comments of that nature than to implore to Deniz to tell Roman he means something to him. - Roman is still pissed. Says how convenient that Deniz doesn't want the job anymore. He probably doesn't need it because the world is an oyster to the guy boinking the daughter of the boss. Deniz says he is sleeping with his girlfriend because he loves her. Roman says Deniz isn't the first gay man sleeping with a woman to get ahead. One boink and he gets a job as a pool boy. How many boinks for the modelling job. 10? 100? Deniz is angry. Says he wanted to turn the job down, but now that Roman is acting like that maybe he'll reconsider. Says he has bigger things to worry about. Roman is like "Oh yeah?". Deniz tells him that Nadja might lose the child.
And seeing your edit with the confrontation between DeRo, Roman really wants to hurt Deniz. I can't imagine how bland Deniz & Vanessa sex life must be considering how bland their kissing comes across. The problem is that Roman has every right to be hurt but every time he sees Deniz he turns into a complete diva and attacks. *sigh*
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 2, 2008 1:08:31 GMT -5
Oh Roman is definitely out to hurt. Deniz looking at him and not taking the money after Roman told him how much the job meant to him seemed like a peace offering to me. And the fact that Roman didn't got for it and instead found something else to get angry about (even if it was a bit convoluted) drives home the message that he won't be pacified with some friendly gesture. Very justified.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2008 1:19:13 GMT -5
Oh Roman is definitely out to hurt. Deniz looking at him and not taking the money after Roman told him how much the job meant to him seemed like a peace offering to me. And the fact that Roman didn't got for it and instead found something else to get angry about (even if it was a bit convoluted) drives home the message that he won't be pacified with some friendly gesture. Very justified. Can't say I'd be all that understanding or forgiving in Roman's shoes either but enough with the public scenes. *sigh* I mean how often now are we seeing glances from Deniz to Roman like he's looking at a wild animal that might attack him at any moment? On some level Deniz feels guilty and knows he did Roman wrong but I think Deniz underestimates just how badly Roman is hurting and turning that pain into some serious vitriol. To me, it just shows once again how Deniz is emotionally immature by thinking that Roman is just going to forget or forgive any time soon. Still, I agree with Simone that at some point it totally looked like they were seconds away from kissing, even with the fight between them. Heh. And this storyline could be worse... we could be subjected to DeVa love scenes!
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Post by amber80 on Apr 2, 2008 9:30:47 GMT -5
Lol! You're right about 'It could have been worse'... I also thought it looked like they were about to kiss in that last clip. They have so much more chemistry between them than Deniz and Vanessa. (All they make me feel is like yawning ;D.)
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Post by Simone on Apr 2, 2008 9:42:49 GMT -5
Lola, thanks for the English summary. I now have a better sense of happened in those scenes.
It is impossible to believe that Roman really believes that Deniz is sleeping with Vanessa for a job so clearly Roman is lashing out at Deniz out of anger and bitterness.
It is clear that the writers are making Roman come off irrational and over the top. It is hard to know why though. Maybe they want to redeem Deniz and show that despite everything he is a good guy who doesn't want to hurt Roman further. This may just be a way to keep them in each other's orbit. From the spoilers, we know that Roman and Deniz are not really over so maybe they are just ratcheting up the drama before they start to reconciliation. At least, that is what I would love to believe. They really should have kissed after that fight, but perhaps the writers think that it is too soon.
Do the AWZ writers/producers ever give interviews to explain the stories?
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Post by Gabi on Apr 2, 2008 9:57:44 GMT -5
Do the AWZ writers/producers ever give interviews to explain the stories? No, they don't. But one of the writers told me the team is mildly surprised that many fans think DeRo is over. DeVa is part of the story, but it's not the end (@gaytime or someone whose english is better than mine: please verify my translation, I don't want to spread rumours ) Original Quote: Natürlich darf ich NICHT über Inhalte und Geschichten reden, aber das ist Dir ja auch klar :-) Wir freuen uns natürlich sehr, dass die DeRo-Geschichte (lustiges Kürzel) so gut ankommt. Und wundern uns immer ein bisschen, wenn die Fans einfach davon ausgehen, dass die Geschichte jetzt vorbei ist. "Nur" weil Deniz im Moment mit Vanessa zusammen ist. Das ist ein TEIL der Geschichte, aber vorbei ist sie noch lange nicht. So. Mehr sagen kann ich jetzt aber wirklich nicht, sorry :-)
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Post by GayTime on Apr 2, 2008 10:06:19 GMT -5
Do the AWZ writers/producers ever give interviews to explain the stories? No, they don't. But one of the writers told me the team is mildly surprised that many fans think DeRo is over. DeVa is part of the story, but it's not the end (@gaytime or someone whose english is better than mine: please verify my translation, I don't want to spread rumours ) Original Quote: Natürlich darf ich NICHT über Inhalte und Geschichten reden, aber das ist Dir ja auch klar :-) Wir freuen uns natürlich sehr, dass die DeRo-Geschichte (lustiges Kürzel) so gut ankommt. Und wundern uns immer ein bisschen, wenn die Fans einfach davon ausgehen, dass die Geschichte jetzt vorbei ist. "Nur" weil Deniz im Moment mit Vanessa zusammen ist. Das ist ein TEIL der Geschichte, aber vorbei ist sie noch lange nicht. So. Mehr sagen kann ich jetzt aber wirklich nicht, sorry :-) Yes, that's accurate. For a full translation of Gabi's intel, just go here: gaydaytime.blogspot.com/2008/03/awz-na-warten-wirs-ab-lets-see.html
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Post by Gabi on Apr 2, 2008 10:23:59 GMT -5
Ah, thank you. I really had forgotten about that post of yours - it's a lot of stuff meanwhile to keep in mind Maybe it's new to at least some of the users here *hope*.
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Post by Simone on Apr 2, 2008 10:50:07 GMT -5
I had forgotten the statement from the AWZ writer. I do wish that AWZ let Roman have more dignity given that he is the wounded party.
So how long do we think that Deniz and Vanessa last? Summer? Fall? Will she become pregnant? Do they even use pregnancies as plot devices on German soaps like they do on American soaps?
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 2, 2008 10:55:52 GMT -5
Pregnancies are frequent but births are rare. I think it's because the characters don't stay as long as they do on US soaps, it's more useful to have a pregnancy and a miscarriage (kinda like with Nadja now or Sarah on VL just like a month ago).
I doubt that they would make Vanessa pregnant though. Just don't get that vibe from that character and storyline.
I'm a bit confused, I have to admit. Okay, Jenny and Maximilian (these are their names, right?) had a thing and then found out they are related and there is still some chemistry. And the very same thing happened with Vanessa and the new guy?
I was kinda thinking with that guy arriving there will be some mini triangle with the of them them and Deniz and Vanessa eventually going for that guy (sorry, still bad with names on AWZ), but it seems a bit repetitive to do two so similar storylines back to back.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 2, 2008 11:00:36 GMT -5
I had forgotten the statement from the AWZ writer. I do wish that AWZ let Roman have more dignity given that he is the wounded party. So how long do we think that Deniz and Vanessa last? Summer? Fall? Will she become pregnant? Do they even use pregnancies as plot devices on German soaps like they do on American soaps? Bite your tongue on the pregnancy comment. I am so afraid that is the route ATWT is going to take with "Back In Iraq..." I agree with you on the stripping off of Roman's dignity. He's flying off the handle left and right about anything related to Deniz. Yes, he's got a right to be hurt but there seems to be this weird lack of self-control going on. I'm a bit confused, I have to admit. Okay, Jenny and Maximilian (these are their names, right?) had a thing and then found out they are related and there is still some chemistry. And the very same thing happened with Vanessa and the new guy?
I was kinda thinking with that guy arriving there will be some mini triangle with the of them them and Deniz and Vanessa eventually going for that guy (sorry, still bad with names on AWZ), but it seems a bit repetitive to do two so similar storylines back to back. Lola, from what I recall reading, Ben is Vanessa's (and Jenny's) half bro via dad and Max is half bro for both via mom. Vanessa was dating Ben when they found out they were related hence Deniz's joke in poor taste in Monday's clip. When Vanessa & Ben found out they were related, Ben left Essen for a while. Vanessa has really bad luck with men, the first guy she falls hard for turns out to be her brother and the second is gay. I want to feel badly for her but I don't. I think it's residual from after that awkward dinner a few weeks ago when she and Deniz tried to paint themselves as Roman's victims on top of the cheating for months situation.
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Post by harmonium on Apr 4, 2008 13:23:55 GMT -5
I practically skipped through alot of parts of the clip while watching it. I really can't stand how the storyline is going. Deniz and Roman in squabble because of the advert? Oh lord. Can the story get any crappier? So what's the current status between Roman & Deniz? Friends, Enemies?
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 4, 2008 13:53:15 GMT -5
I practically skipped through alot of parts of the clip while watching it. I really can't stand how the storyline is going. Deniz and Roman in squabble because of the advert? Oh lord. Can the story get any crappier? So what's the current status between Roman & Deniz? Friends, Enemies? Did you check out the spoilers? I wouldn't say they're friends and enemies is too strong a word. Roman is still hostile towards Deniz and Deniz is wary of /annoyed with Roman. But oooooh, the sparks are still there. I think the problem with the storyline now is there are big gaps between new scenes along with a slow pace. Like TIIC have DeVa together with Deniz repeatedly (& uncovincingly) saying how much he is in love with Vanessa but no one outside of Vanessa is buying it meanwhile Roman is like a raging b*tch every time he's near Deniz longer than 30 seconds. Deniz comes off as either stupid, egotistical or A HOT MESS because he's sticking to being with Vanessa but you can tell his heart not to mention his loins are not even remotely invested then he gets near Roman and you can see Deniz is still drawn to him. The writers are moving at a plodding pace that either needs to speed up or they need to bring in another person to this story to spice it up (I vote for a man for Roman) cause while I like the moments I see, it needs to change cause it's just going in circles at this point with none of the 3 characters involved looking good at all. I feel like TIIC are trying to delay the inevitable DeRo reunion but they have no idea how to do it in a way that won't turn people off in the mean time.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 4, 2008 14:01:26 GMT -5
Even if they renuite, Deniz deserves to be hit over the head repeatedly for telling Vanessa stuff like he was just having pity sex with Roman near the end. Diediediediedie
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Post by Gabi on Apr 4, 2008 14:15:21 GMT -5
I feel like TIIC are trying to delay the inevitable DeRo reunion but they have no idea how to do it in a way that won't turn people off in the mean time. It's pretty obvious. Christian/Olli are THE gay couple right now, so DeRo has to wait - both are grundy productions after all. People are talking about VL and turn away from DeRo, but as soon as DeRo gets more interesting they will return. Grundy is not interested in direct competition of the two couples.
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Post by Simone on Apr 4, 2008 14:20:49 GMT -5
Even if they renuite, Deniz deserves to be hit over the head repeatedly for telling Vanessa stuff like he was just having pity sex with Roman near the end. Diediediediedie Did Deniz really say that? What an asshole! Screw him. He doesn't deserve Roman for a second.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 4, 2008 14:22:32 GMT -5
Really? I have a hard time believing that they are connected considering that they air on different channels (even if the same company makes them). What would the different channels gain by coordinating?
I do agree that DeRo will be back and so will the discussion and the fans. But if there is not much to discuss at the moment, what can one do?
I still think that the DeRo love scenes are a bit better, or rather more natural. I'm guessing at least partly due to DG's experience. C/O play up the sweetness much more (which is totally okay for the type of storyline they are doing), while I think DeRo has a better balance between sweetness and passion.
I think somebody linked the clip recently. The one where Roman comes back from somewhere and has dinner with the Steinkamps and starts arguing with Dennis in front of them. Later he gives Deniz the present. Anyway, in that episode Deniz has a scene with Vanessa where he tries to assure her and says some emotionally awful stuff.
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Post by Simone on Apr 4, 2008 14:26:42 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious. Christian/Olli are THE gay couple right now, so DeRo has to wait - both are grundy productions after all. People are talking about VL and turn away from DeRo, but as soon as DeRo gets more interesting they will return. Grundy is not interested in direct competition of the two couples. What are the ratings are for both soaps? Do they air at the same time? Is that why both couples be on the front burner at the same time? I find that so unfair. So as soon as Oliver and Christian begin to have problems, Deniz and Roman will start to heat up again. I hate the spoilers for Roman and Deniz. I hope that we find out that Deniz is having lukewarm unsatisfying sex with Vanessa and that he fantasies about Roman or George Clooney to get it up. So there.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 4, 2008 14:29:23 GMT -5
What are the ratings are for both soaps? Do they air at the same time? Is that why both couples be on the front burner at the same time? I find that so unfair. So as soon as Oliver and Christian begin to have problems, Deniz and Roman will start to heat up again. AWZ airs on 19.00 on RTL. I think VL airs on 18.30 on DasErste. RTL is a private channel. DasErste is a public channel. I think AWZ has better ratings because the private channels usually do.
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