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Post by luckyduck152 on Apr 12, 2010 21:11:19 GMT -5
I can't believe this. Apparently they've had to hire extra security for the fan luncheon because they got threatening letters from some Nuke/Noah fans because Eric is going to be seated at the same table with Van and Jake. And now Van is upset about this because he wanted to invite Eric to the Nukapaloosa event an can't believe that people are acting this way. This is completely disgusting and immature for people to be doing this. I feel bad for Van and Eric, but especially for Van, since it is putting him is such an awkward position. And I'm sure this puts Jake in a very awkward position as well.
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Post by tlynn on Apr 12, 2010 21:33:52 GMT -5
I can't believe this. Apparently they've had to hire extra security for the fan luncheon because they got threatening letters from some Nuke/Noah fans because Eric is going to be seated at the same table with Van and Jake. And now Van is upset about this because he wanted to invite Eric to the Nukapaloosa event an can't believe that people are acting this way. This is completely disgusting and immature for people to be doing this. I feel bad for Van and Eric, but especially for Van, since it is putting him is such an awkward position. Sometimes I just don't get people???...I know we're all involved in this storyline and we pick sides and get really into the angst and drama, but really? Threatening letters? This is a television show. It's called acting. Someone needs to find the people behind this and drop a hint in their ears. Psst! It's fake! As in not real. You'd really think they didn't know that. I guess if you were Eric and wanted to look on the bright side you could take it as confirmation that you're acting your ass off and playing this part with perfection. It's too bad some folks fail to appreciate it though.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 12, 2010 21:47:06 GMT -5
Ugh. I guess there's a reason "fan" is a short form of "fanatic".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 21:54:31 GMT -5
The first time I venture in this thread in my free time after having caught up a little on this show and this is what I see, lol. There really are crazies everywhere, aren’t there?
It’s just sad for the people involved: Van & Jake who seemed to be looking forward to introducing Eric to their fans; poor Eric who must feel like he entered the Twilight Zone; sane Nuke fans who were probably eager for a last chance to hang out with their favorites before show’s end; and organizers who have now to spend more money on security and more time on stressing out.
Talk about ridiculous, especially for a soap that’s already cancelled. It’s probably a negligible minority, but it shows how much a very few can ruin it for everyone when they can’t separate reality from fiction. Hopefully everyone can take it just as that and not let it dampen the whole mood. That would be unfortunate, considering that it will be the last event of this kind for them.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 12, 2010 21:57:34 GMT -5
I can't believe this. Apparently they've had to hire extra security for the fan luncheon because they got threatening letters from some Nuke/Noah fans because Eric is going to be seated at the same table with Van and Jake. And now Van is upset about this because he wanted to invite Eric to the Nukapaloosa event an can't believe that people are acting this way. This is completely disgusting and immature for people to be doing this. I feel bad for Van and Eric, but especially for Van, since it is putting him is such an awkward position. And I'm sure this puts Jake in a very awkward position as well. Where is this being reported?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 22:01:22 GMT -5
I can't believe this. Apparently they've had to hire extra security for the fan luncheon because they got threatening letters from some Nuke/Noah fans because Eric is going to be seated at the same table with Van and Jake. And now Van is upset about this because he wanted to invite Eric to the Nukapaloosa event an can't believe that people are acting this way. This is completely disgusting and immature for people to be doing this. I feel bad for Van and Eric, but especially for Van, since it is putting him is such an awkward position. And I'm sure this puts Jake in a very awkward position as well. Where is this being reported? I just saw someone elsewhere mentioning the Van Hansis board, if that helps.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 12, 2010 22:41:51 GMT -5
Can I just say without hopefully violating any board rules, that if this is true, people are nuts?
Its a SHOW! Whether Nuke happens or LuRe- how do you threaten a real human over a work of fiction?
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 12, 2010 23:32:06 GMT -5
Macari, do you happen to have a link? I am curious to read what is being posted there about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2010 0:00:05 GMT -5
I’ve sent you a message, Bonobochick. It seems the Nuke event organizers are planning to ban some people from the event if it turns out some of the people who registered are really behind this, but apparently responses from fans on the board can be summed up as upset and up-in-arms. So, the people responsible ended up upsetting everyone, including those who share their favorites. I honestly think (and hope) that it’s going to end up not being a big deal, as it’s much easier for some of the nuts to hide behind computer screens and let their crazy go that ridiculous way. At best, it could be a wake-up call for some people to realize what can happen when it stops being fun and people take it too seriously. I’ll always go for the fun over the headache personally.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Apr 13, 2010 6:41:56 GMT -5
It's already a big deal. It's created a awkward situation for all of the actors. And I don't blame Van for being upset when he's told he can't have his co-star as a guest at his own event because of threats and backlash from some attendees. I feel bad for Van because he's put in the middle here, wouldn't blame him and Jake if they cut their appearances short this year at the Nukapalooza. And I feel really bad for Eric. He's doing such a phenomenal job and just recently signed up to go to his first (and the last) ATWT fan luncheon and what happens? He gets threats and told he can't attend an after party which he was invited to. What a bunch of crap. Hopefully he will still attend an after party, like maybe "Martinis with Henry". Him and Trent have worked together before and the people at that party will probably be a lot more mature anyway. Could be that neither Van, Jake nor Eric will show up to Nukapalooza, give the situation and I wouldn't blame them. There have been more than just a couple of bad apples participating in attacking Eric and throwing a fit about his seating assignment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2010 7:42:38 GMT -5
I still don’t think any of them should take it too much to heart. Taking additional precautionary measures just in case, sure. It will indeed make things unfortunately awkward for everyone, which is already bad enough, but letting it get to them too much makes those nutcases win. I’m sure there are nuts everywhere anyway, and the Internet has become a great enabler.
I also don’t think all other Nuke fans should be lumped together with or be held responsible for the behavior of a couple of crazies who aren’t under their control and who they’re apparently not sure are even part of their fandom. It seems that the actress who played Ameera was extremely well received by Nuke fans at those fan events, and I don’t think there was a character who was as despised across the board as that one. I mean, no one, even the nicest people, liked that character as far as I can remember.
So, to me, the best everyone can do is try to have fun anyway and let people who are there to keep both eyes open do that part. It’s their last reunion of this sort with their real fans. Everyone should focus on trying to enjoy that.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Apr 13, 2010 7:53:42 GMT -5
Well there have been a lot of people stoking the flames, so I wouldn't say this is just a couple of people who were being nasty. Eric has been attacked quite a bit personally and so has Van since this story began. Hopefully these people will quit the nonsense, but they've already tarnished the last ATWT fan luncheon with this stupidity.
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Post by HQ75 on Apr 13, 2010 9:18:27 GMT -5
The fear mongering and public displays of shock and awe are kind of disgusting and out of hand and I think, disingenuous.
Shame on anyone (I don't care who they are) who is deliberately attempting to fan the flames by spreading this stuff all over every board or forum dedicated to ATWT, Luke, Noah or Reid.
Yes, actors get threatened and actual threats should be taken seriously by the actors and event authorities and by the police if necessary. Everything else is just irresponsible prattle.
If the emails weren't sent to you and you aren't the actor involved or the planner of the event, it's not your place to spread this info around (I don't care who you are) and if there is an investigation it can actually harm the investigation by spreading disinformation and rumors about what the facts are when the only ones who know the facts are the actually people involved.
The people planning this event should never have made the threats public. They should have spoken to the actors and the police and dealt with the guilty parties directly . Telling the whole world about these emails is irresponsible. It just creates an atmosphere of fear and paranoia on the part of attendees.
We all want Eric, Jake and Van to be have fun at the fan events and feel safe and comfortable attending. The event planners can do everything they need to do to achieve that and call the police in if necessary. They have the means to get more security and screen attendees appropriately and they will do so. That should already be standard practice for an event like this.
Every soap actor gets death threats and violent, sick, twisted feedback from insane "fans". I'm sure Van has gotten some in the past.
Susan Lucci got them when Erica had an abortion. Egan Riegel got them when Bianca came out as gay. The actor playing Zarf got them in the thousands when he was on AMC.
Soap fans of some of the most loyal, dedicated and committed fans on the planet. But when they go off the rails, they REALLY go off the rails.
It's not new or unique to Eric (unfortunately). I'm not belittle the threats made to him or how he might feel about them (which only HE knows for sure)
I'm sure if folks asked them privately, Scott Evans and Brett Claywell could tell you stories that would make your head spin about hate mail and threats. The guys from AWZ and VL could tell you about that too.
They don't talk about that stuff in public because it just FEEDS THE FLAMES for crazy who want attention for causing an environment of fear for actors.
It is the nature of the beast for soap actors to get crazy stupid, sick responses from SOME "fans" when the "Fans" don't like what's happening to a character.
It's not new and it's not some huge, organized conspiracy out to keep Eric from attending these events.
Eric is a wonderful actor who does a brilliant just of portraying the character he was hired to portray. Any fan who isn't a complete wack-job knows this.
I'm sure he will do what he needs to to stay safe as Van and Jake and poor Talia (who played Ameera and ALSO got death threats) have done.
The handful of cray cray fans who have the nerve to OPENLY threaten a soap actor regarding an event they plan to attend is just that, a handful, and crazy. They will be caught and punished accordingly.
The sky is not falling and I don't know why folks are acting so surprised. If many of the folks on these boards and in Youtube comments said some of the violent, crazy stuff about Jake, Van or Eric in person or in public (as opposed to saying it anonymously and punk-assed on the Internet) they'd be arrested.
People need to stop stirring the pot (whomever you are, I don't care) and stop giving these random handful of crazies so much attention and importance.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 13, 2010 9:20:56 GMT -5
Well there have been a lot of people stoking the flames, so I wouldn't say this is just a couple of people who were being nasty. Eric has been attacked quite a bit personally and so has Van since this story began. Hopefully these people will quit the nonsense, but they've already tarnished the last ATWT fan luncheon with this stupidity. Which is true, so the self-awareness needs to come from all sides of the supposed triangle. Well said, Macari. There are a lot of sane fans and every fandom has a few nuts with the internet as a great courage enabler to say things one would never actually do. While folks should definitely be aware that there are some out there who are overly invested and way too rabid, I think on some level this incident is being overblown by some folks. Seems like the organizers are handling it the best way they can to ensure a good, safe time is had by all.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 13, 2010 9:44:04 GMT -5
On one hand i tend to believe, that a lot of people who are inflamatory in the internet are a lot more coward in real life. People say a lot of things in forums but most of them don't have the guts to repeat them live. But the truth is that there are people who are just obssesive, and soap actors are the ones who are the perfect victims, because they are everyday into the houses of people, so it's quite easy for this kind of people to develop an obssesion with one of them. Last year, a spanish actress survive to an crossbow attack. The girl who just didn't work in the soap who make her famous just finished her theatre play when she was attacked. What makes things stranger, the man who attacked her wasn't spanish, he was german, and he travels to spain to attack her because she didn't answer his love letters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2010 10:21:25 GMT -5
Yep, crazy everywhere these days. Some people should take a chill pill, while others should get off the crazy pill, and relax. I’m all for keeping it positive. And I’m glad to see that Van thinks like me per his latest message, undeterred and everything. Overt panic and meltdowns are just increasing the tension, and giving ammunition for people to feel too self-important. Fun and safety over everything else, that’s what it’s all about. I hope everyone has a good time.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 13, 2010 10:51:27 GMT -5
The only "side" I have is the one that's not crazy. People can say whatever they want. But, that's the line.
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Post by stregatta on Apr 13, 2010 11:57:00 GMT -5
Ugh. I guess there's a reason "fan" is a short form of "fanatic". OMG...I'm so sad to hear about all this "drama": it had to be strictly inside a FICTIONAL show, not outside, it's unbelievable for real... Let's hope all goes fine in the end...(Since generally people welcomed this new actor, & above all, he's not the 1 to blame for the SL indeed!! ) PS_Plus now I've understood that: 1) Then, I'm not a true "fan"...& 2) Why Stephen King wrote "Misery" (...Luckily he survived! )
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Post by stregatta on Apr 13, 2010 12:22:09 GMT -5
PS_On the other side, a good news! LURE are 57% in the fav new couples' contest this week at tvguide.ca/Soaps...&, again, they've not even started?! ;-P)
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Post by luckyduck152 on Apr 13, 2010 14:27:12 GMT -5
I guarantee if threats were made against Jake or any other ATWT actor and extra security was needed and they were not permitted to attend an event, because of the behavior of some fans, it would be (rightfully) all over the internet. So let's not attack the messenger here, just because the subject is uncomfortable. Not discussing it, isn't going to make it better. This is a widely publicized event and the event organizers themselves consider this a problem and Van considers it a problem and I'm sure Jake does too. I really can not even guess how Eric feels. He's probably wondering what mess he's got himself into. At least we will know why if Eric doesn't attend nukapaloosa and there won't be more false rumors spreading that him and Van don't like each other. Anyway, This is all I'm going to post about this (unless something else develops.) But, these aren't just random anonymous crazy people on the internet who caused this. These are a few of the very people who regularly attend these events who have taken things a bit too far. Which is why it is a problem to begin with, and why Van got upset. Some of these people have crossed the fanatic threshold from adoring fans, to being a bit too obsessed and not being able to separate the characters from the actors and taking their frustration out on Eric (and Van as well) This is well beyond the "I don't like the character or the character's behavior" discussions we have here at TGoDT. Those can get heated and people feel passionate about their positions but we don't attack the actors personally, or threaten them. We discuss the characters and the story. Anyway, like I said, I'm not going to post anymore on this subject unless something else happens that needs to be posted and discussed. Hopefully this will be a lesson to people how things can needlessly get out of control.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2010 15:04:13 GMT -5
From your post, I couldn't help but ask: do you know who those people are? I’m seriously asking. Personally, I think there’s nothing wrong in posting our opinions about it. At the same time, I just don’t care for any fingerpointing against a group of people who might not deserve it, and I think speculation won’t help matters for anyone involved, so as you said, wait and see if any more information is provided. As for whether it had happened with Jake or someone else, it’s funny you mention it. Because I’m not sure how long you have been following this fandom/show, but as I recall and maybe people more regularly in this fandom can back it up further, I think out of these three actors, Jake – not just his character – has seen more bashing and threats over a sustained period of time than you can imagine within and outside of fandom. I think being an actor, you just have to store additional moral strength because this type of stuff may happen, regardless of what you do or not. It’s unfortunate, especially in this context, as Van and Jake have constantly suffered the brunt of things they have no control over for years now, but what are you gonna do against something you have no control over? We can only hope for the best in the next few days. And if it's a wakeup call for some, even better.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 13, 2010 15:44:16 GMT -5
-- Mod Post --
This is getting into rumor-mongering and inflammatory rhetoric for whatever purposes that isn't constructive at all.
Let's move on from the topic of "crazy fans" and discuss the characters and the show.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 13, 2010 16:07:03 GMT -5
The best example of punching was last year Soap cruise.
Well, back again to Luke and Reid, i find the spoilers a bit confusing. It seems that Luke and Reid will be in Texas in more than one episode, because it seems too much action for only one episode
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Post by stregatta on Apr 13, 2010 18:21:49 GMT -5
Well, back again to Luke and Reid, i find the spoilers a bit confusing. It seems that Luke and Reid will be in Texas in more than one episode, because it seems too much action for only one episode For sure! I guess like last week, we'll have 3 days (Wednesday/ Thurday/ Friday) for developing the mini-arc of their Texas' SL...Hopefully also the will be included IMO; since quite soon they'll come together to Oakdale, but with lot changed on the road in the meantime (& here I can't leave spoilers, but you know what I'm referring to... )
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Post by Zathras on Apr 14, 2010 21:17:46 GMT -5
Please discuss spoilers in the Spoiler Discussion thread. Thanks .
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