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Post by Zathras on Apr 8, 2010 20:22:37 GMT -5
Yeah. I kept thinking "what did they do with the writers?" today ;D. Finally someone (Katie) notices something about Reid's budding attraction to Luke .
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 8, 2010 21:12:06 GMT -5
Van Hansis regarding the writing and acting: "Van Hansis, who plays Luke and is also a big fan of his new screen partner, shared his thoughts with Soap Opera Weekly as to why Reid clicked with fans so quickly. “He’s such a fantastic character and so, so well executed by Eric,” said Hansis. “I like reading his dialogue, even the scenes I’m not in because of a lot of the stuff he says. It’s like he’s the character from a prime time show that was plopped into a soap opera. It’s a Twilight Zone type of thing.” www.afterelton.com/TV/gayslives/04-06-10?page=0%2C11This is what is missing from day time soaps in America. We see that level of writing and acting over in Europe with Emmerdale (Aaron), Hollyoaks (Craig and John Paul) and w/ Deniz & Roman. Shameless and to a lesser degree Raw also come to mind. Each of the top three being incredible stand outs hitting all cylinders as comparators to ATWT. It is like as ATWT is about to end the writers and actors are realizing that they can appeal to so much more in the audience than they previously thought of daytime American audiences. So far, I am liking this story a lot. I like the adult tension involved. I can only hope it lasts until the show ends. Even Noah was presented with much more complexity than they have allowed him to have in a long time. It strikes me that American soaps are stuck in telling the same old stories over and over again to a dwindling audience because they don't realize that the audience is changing.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 8, 2010 21:43:40 GMT -5
It strikes me that American soaps are stuck in telling the same old stories over and over again to a dwindling audience because they don't realize that the audience is changing. Indeed. I wonder how much of the dwindling audience is due to the (relatively) new-found availability of shows from around the world. I mean, I never would have watched any of ATWT if it weren't for the comparisons made in relation to JP/C on Hollyoaks - a UK show. And I never could have found them 10 years ago (better shows, that is, not JP/C ) without the Internet. It makes finding the best shows not just possible, but easier, and causes your standards to change. Of course, re-treading the same ground over and over for 40 years certainly gets old.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 8, 2010 21:53:45 GMT -5
You got to think that the writers in the U.S. are starting to pick up on what's happening abroad. Certainly picking up the remake option to the story of Olli and Christian suggests to me that the industry is looking abroad. So, it may not be chance that the writers as ATWT are starting to write better now that they have other shows out there. It is not just enough to be gay anymore. It strikes me that American soaps are stuck in telling the same old stories over and over again to a dwindling audience because they don't realize that the audience is changing. Indeed. I wonder how much of the dwindling audience is due to the (relatively) new-found availability of shows from around the world. I mean, I never would have watched any of ATWT if it weren't for the comparisons made in relation to JP/C on Hollyoaks - a UK show. And I never could have found them 10 years ago (better shows, that is, not JP/C ) without the Internet. It makes finding the best shows not just possible, but easier, and causes your standards to change. Of course, re-treading the same ground over and over for 40 years certainly gets old.
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Post by belle1990 on Apr 9, 2010 14:19:38 GMT -5
I loved NUKE. And I am also very excited about current Luke/Reid story line. I thought Nuke would end together no matter what happened. But after watching yesterday's clips, I am wondering whether the writers have different idea in mind:
Reid starts to be a nice and considerable guy and important point is he put Luke in first place. He wants Luke to be happy. Noah used to say a lot that he wanted Luke to be happy. Now Luke's love is his burden. Reid's speech about NUKE is exactly what most fans' thought. It seems to me that the writers deliver such information like: hey fans! We know what you thought, but...
Some details in the clips are very interesting: Does someone think it is sooooo cute and hot when Luke begged Reid for one second to listen, Reid finally nodded. Reid can't say no to Luke's puppy eyes now.
And one more scene: Noah sat there, when he heard the door opening, he smiled a dreamy smile. Then his smile disappeared when he realized it was Luke. Obviously it was not Luke he was waiting for! He tensed when Luke was around him. Although at the final scene they held their hands, I read totally different meanings.
I hope Luke and Reid can be a couple at the end. The relationship between Luke and Noah is so dry and awkward now. I prefer them be friends. But, it seems that the relationship between Luke and Reid develops so fast. That means the writers have enough time to break them up!
My God, sorry about my mumbling, because I do not know what will happen. I am confused now. Maybe in the end the one whose heart is broken is me!!!
Well, just enjoy the moment.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 9, 2010 15:39:39 GMT -5
Next week's promo (seems interesting)
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Post by belle1990 on Apr 9, 2010 15:48:19 GMT -5
Thanks jjose712!!! I really want to know the answer from Dr. Oliver.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 9, 2010 16:50:03 GMT -5
I really like the Luke and Reid pairing over Noah. As I compared how Luke is treated by Reid to how he is treated by Noah, I find myself not liking Noah.
I can understand moving on. I just don't understand why he can not do the kind thing as a character and just say that's what he is doing without trying to make Luke feel bad about it.
It is one thing to go on a date, and quite another not be just a little bit sensitive the feelings of your ex about it. He was a little bit of a jerk toward Luke today. His character seems to go out of his way to make Luke feel like crap just for being in love with Noah. That's just wrong. It feels really passive aggressive on Noah's part.
And, meanwhile, Luke continues to remind me of why I think Reid is good for him. All that energy he has- to do the right thing by someone for who he cares about. Well, that energy is great for Reid. Reid, unlike Noah, seems to really need Luke. They seem to break out the best in each other. Luke still trying to help, but doing so in a way that he feels will be better and more mature by pushing for a meeting with the medical review board.
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Post by stregatta on Apr 9, 2010 16:57:02 GMT -5
I loved NUKE. And I am also very excited about current Luke/Reid story line. I thought Nuke would end together no matter what happened. But after watching yesterday's clips, I am wondering whether the writers have different idea in mind: Reid starts to be a nice and considerable guy and important point is he put Luke in first place. He wants Luke to be happy. Noah used to say a lot that he wanted Luke to be happy. Now Luke's love is his burden. Reid's speech about NUKE is exactly what most fans' thought. It seems to me that the writers deliver such information like: hey fans! We know what you thought, but... Some details in the clips are very interesting: Does someone think it is sooooo cute and hot when Luke begged Reid for one second to listen, Reid finally nodded. Reid can't say no to Luke's puppy eyes now. And one more scene: Noah sat there, when he heard the door opening, he smiled a dreamy smile. Then his smile disappeared when he realized it was Luke. Obviously it was not Luke he was waiting for! He tensed when Luke was around him. Although at the final scene they held their hands, I read totally different meanings. I hope Luke and Reid can be a couple at the end. The relationship between Luke and Noah is so dry and awkward now. I prefer them be friends. But, it seems that the relationship between Luke and Reid develops so fast. That means the writers have enough time to break them up! My God, sorry about my mumbling, because I do not know what will happen. I am confused now. Maybe in the end the one whose heart is broken is me!!! Well, just enjoy the moment. Hi Belle!! You're absolutely not the only 1 to think all that... I've noticed those details too, & I must say every day I'm deeper into Reid's character!! I've really loved the writing given to him (+Eric of course ), & I've to say when Luke/ Van is with him, sparkles fly!! But not just romantic 1, also funny-ones! ;D Every time they're on screen, there's no a single line wasted...I'm already on cloud 9 for next week's & developing of their romance. I think that Luke hasn't still realized how much is already involved with Dr, & on the other hand Reid is even too aware of his flame's heavy past with "ghost Noah" always in the middle of everything... I've been a Luke's fan from the start of the story, & not particularly of Noah, because his character of the "boring hero" has been for me always quite annoying, even if I've never had nothing against him, or the actor...But a little like for Superman, I'm not for that kind of black/white heroes Besides...What the heck?! I've been surprised as much as Luke, seeing Noah behaving that way: & as usual, it's not exactly about what he's done/ or the boy he's dating, but rather THE WAY, I've never liked the way he has more or less always replied to Luke.. As you said, the impression, long time before the blindness, is that he bothers to have this kind of love from hopeless poor Luke... I know what Noah's fans claim, but the feeling you have watching him, it's always of being on a pedestal, above Luke, or however stepping forward him! At least, my POV So, now I'm really bothered by him, I hope to see him just friend with Luke (N. with Richard...PS_why they showed the new boy for just 5 sec. BTW?! what's a pity???) & Luke to have had that proverbial push he needed to fall into Dr's arms to be cured & make us laugh again in the process... ;D
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Post by tlynn on Apr 9, 2010 17:44:32 GMT -5
Next week's promo (seems interesting) OT but that was a super fast recovery Dusty. Shot in the head one week, tackling people the next. Reid kind of broke my heart today when he talked about how being a surgeon is all he has. His loneliness really came through in that scene and I can't wait for Luke to ease it.
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Post by belle1990 on Apr 9, 2010 17:52:42 GMT -5
It is heartbreaking to hear Reid say he has nothing to hold on except "Doctor". Luke, a person full of love, passion is exactly what he needs. That is why I want Luke/Reid be together: together their passion will not be a waste. Hopefully the writers see the same.
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Post by vallie42 on Apr 9, 2010 17:58:13 GMT -5
OT but that was a super fast recovery Dusty. Shot in the head one week, tackling people the next. Reid kind of broke my heart today when he talked about how being a surgeon is all he has. His loneliness really came through in that scene and I can't wait for Luke to ease it. WORD to that! And my thoughts exactly about Dusty, Dr. Oliver has really done a miracle with that operation if Dusty is up and running already. ;P
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 9, 2010 21:14:36 GMT -5
I agree. Luke is a guy who has a great deal of passion to give to someone, and Reid is a guy in need of passion outside of his career. They are both logical fits for each other. None of this drama about "Oh, I can't be with you" Or "No, it isn't a date" but it is, etc. This style of hand wringing gets old in a story. So, I prefer the new coupling a lot. It is heartbreaking to hear Reid say he has nothing to hold on except "Doctor". Luke, a person full of love, passion is exactly what he needs. That is why I want Luke/Reid be together: together their passion will not be a waste. Hopefully the writers see the same.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 9, 2010 22:44:23 GMT -5
"Come with me and keep your mouth shut" ;D Loved Luke in that moment. In a way, they were already almost acting like a couple ;D. Yeah, I'm curious to see if they get more into why Reid has only his job. Maybe he had a very bad experience at one point in his life that makes him shy away from romantic relationships? Seems like there's usually a reason for someone to throw themselves into their work at the expense of everything else. shamelessfan - I posted a reply to your question and comments on Noah's behavior today in the Luke/Noah thread. I can't state it more simply than I did there. Maybe we just saw that scene differently.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 9, 2010 23:04:29 GMT -5
a) Driven people tend to act like Dr. Reid. When you have a singular talent like the show states Reid has, then he's probably solely focused on it since an early age, and does not know how to be anything else. It becomes who he is. All that he is. There is a scene where he says exactly that. So, I am not surprised by that or think it is underdeveloped because I know people like Dr Reid. b) Both characters- Luke and Noah- are flawed. Yet, to read your comment and those others- Noah is perfect. This is part of my problem with him- he's too much of Mr. Perfect. IN fact, he's not perfect at all. He's flawed like Luke for different reasons. For example, I actually think it is fine that Noah is dating again. That was not my problem with the situation. I just have a problem with how he choose to attack Luke over Noah's choice to date again. He choose to passive aggressively attack Luke, once again, for Luke's sense of passion. The more honest approach would be to tell Luke "I know we broke up, but it seems like you are harboring some belief that we are going to get back together. We aren't. I still care for you, but we aren't. So, who I date or don't date does not matter. You should start dating as well." He could have said all of that without making Luke feel like crap for being Luke. That's a mature response and why Reid's character is more interesting to me. Instead, I saw Noah's immaturity towards Luke's passion for him. While Reid loves that passion. I know they are going to try to push Luke to be with Noah, but the characterization clearly fits Reid and Luke because Noah does not get Luke. If he did, he would not be attacking Luke's passion and would be straight up stone cold honest with him saying "we can't ever get back together." that's what people do when they care for each other even when they can't be together. Look this is, of course a soap, so they got to play up the angst, but there are ways to do it without making behavior fall into improbable. I am left wondering what Luke and Noah even see in each other? "Come with me and keep your mouth shut" ;D Loved Luke in that moment. In a way, they were already almost acting like a couple ;D. Yeah, I'm curious to see if they get more into why Reid has only his job. Maybe he had a very bad experience at one point in his life that makes him shy away from romantic relationships? Seems like there's usually a reason for someone to throw themselves into their work at the expense of everything else. shamelessfan - I posted a reply to your question and comments on Noah's behavior today in the Luke/Noah thread. I can't state it more simply than I did there. Maybe we just saw that scene differently.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 10, 2010 1:26:32 GMT -5
Both characters- Luke and Noah- are flawed. Yet, to read your comment and those others- Noah is perfect. This is part of my problem with him- he's too much of Mr. Perfect. IN fact, he's not perfect at all. He's flawed like Luke for different reasons. Then you haven't read all of what has been written here over the last couple of months. Noah is definitely not perfect. Indeed, as I said in my post in the Luke/Noah thread, I thought Noah handled trying to communicate his thoughts/feelings to Luke poorly. I've criticized both of them in the past, for one reason or another. To be honest, you came across as kind of equal and opposite - that Luke did nothing wrong in the conversation at Al's. So, while you pointed out the problems you observed with Noah, I pointed out the problems I saw in Luke. I don't think Noah was making his comments over a (recent) choice to see someone. He was reiterating what he said before the breakup. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with his rationale, but it's not new. That would have been a better way to handle the situation, but I'm not sure mature is really a fair characterization. Or rather, I wouldn't call the way he did handle the situation as immature. Given Luke's attitude during that conversation, I don't blame Noah for being defensive. I know I personally would not have reacted well at all. Can we really say that at this point? I think he sees ways to use it to his own advantage, but I'm not sure we can necessarily say that he loves that passion. It seems like you consider Luke's passion to be a virtue. As I've said elsewhere, passion can be good, but it needs to be tempered and it needs direction, or it can do more damage than good. Luke's penchant for acting without thinking often has negative consequences - he just doesn't consider them before acting. How often has Noah had to pay for the consequences of those actions? I think it's understandable for Noah to be hesitant about it. Yeah, Luke loves him, but he just doesn't seem capable of trusting that Noah knows what's best for himself. I think Noah is totally correct when he says that Luke wouldn't be able to keep himself from helping Noah, even though Noah needs to learn how to fend for himself. See, I think that Noah does understand Luke all too well. And that's part of his problem with Luke. But one of his failings is that he still hasn't figured out how to deal with high-maintenance Luke yet. Or maybe he's just not capable. I suppose that's the part of his personality that causes you to call him "passive-aggressive."
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Post by luckyduck152 on Apr 10, 2010 3:11:08 GMT -5
I'll post more comments on today's show later, but first let me say. Luke, Luke, Luke that tiny bag of chili & cornbread is not enough to feed Reid. That is going to be one GRUMPY flight to Dallas. LOL ;D
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Post by stregatta on Apr 10, 2010 6:06:33 GMT -5
I'll post more comments on today's show later, but first let me say. Luke, Luke, Luke that tiny bag of chili & cornbread is not enough to feed Reid. That is going to be one GRUMPY flight to Dallas. LOL ;D SUX-LOL!! ;D +PS_I've liked that in spite of the whole "pride & prejudice"-kind of relationship, both Luke & Reid have been able to look beyond it... I didn't like so much instead the fact that, at least for now, it seems that Reid could be a second best for Luke: since he's been "sent away & substituted with Richard" by Noah... Of course writers perhaps will tell us finally, that it's not the way it seems : but I'd have preferred to see simply a genuine attraction between Lure, without all this issues behind, right from the start; rather to see them all fighting for each other later... Or prehaps it's a way to make both Reid & Luke aware of "it's the right time to move on" kind of message?! Besides, it has been nice to already see the softer side of the Dr...("That's why, Mr Snyder, I need you!" IMO this line is also a sort of allusion to something else... ) Oh gosh, all in all I pray that writers don't want to repeat the weakness of Luke towards Brian, when he ended up "offering" to him, just because he was sad & knew that the man was attracted to him ...But I'm almost sure this isn't the case!!
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Post by dorothy on Apr 10, 2010 16:53:49 GMT -5
I've been a Nuke fan for a long time. And I'm amazed at how quickly I'm willing to dump Noah and root for Luke/Reid. But it has been soooo long since Luke and Noah were fun to watch (since before Ameera, at least), and Reid brings snarky entertainment to all the scenes he's in (with or without Luke). I think Dr. Oliver is BY FAR the most interesting thing about ATWT right now (and it is sad that he's come along so late in the game). And I'd love to see Luke loved and adored the way Luke's always adored Noah. Well, not quite the same way, because Dr. Oliver would do it with so much more sarcasm and wit. So I, for one, would love to see Luke ready to finally move on with Reid. I still suspect Luke and Noah may be the endgame, but I'm team Reid.
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Post by stregatta on Apr 10, 2010 17:18:16 GMT -5
I've been a Nuke fan for a long time. And I'm amazed at how quickly I'm willing to dump Noah and root for Luke/Reid. But it has been soooo long since Luke and Noah were fun to watch (since before Ameera, at least), and Reid brings snarky entertainment to all the scenes he's in (with or without Luke). I think Dr. Oliver is BY FAR the most interesting thing about ATWT right now (and it is sad that he's come along so late in the game). And I'd love to see Luke loved and adored the way Luke's always adored Noah. Well, not quite the same way, because Dr. Oliver would do it with so much more sarcasm and wit. So I, for one, would love to see Luke ready to finally move on with Reid. I still suspect Luke and Noah may be the endgame, but I'm team Reid. Oh thanks hun!! Here the same In spite of the fact that for me it's easier, because I'm a recent fan, so I root simply for what I'm enjoying...At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Eric/ Reid will be nominated for an Emmy later this year, 'cause he totally steals the show these days!! It has been so much drama for Nuke the past years, without a real happiness or so, that even if it won't last forever (but in my heart Lure has become the endgame, I must admit, without even seeing a real love-scene yet, I'm crazy?! ), I so want to see Luke happy & SMILING again...& Reid is a guarantee in this sense!! Ciao*
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Post by tlynn on Apr 10, 2010 22:35:37 GMT -5
"Come with me and keep your mouth shut" ;D Loved Luke in that moment. In a way, they were already almost acting like a couple ;D. And it was incredibly hot. Luke getting all physical and dragging Reid away/Reid letting himself get dragged away....More of that please! And feel free to take it much further.
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Post by stl29tide on Apr 11, 2010 12:16:30 GMT -5
"Come with me and keep your mouth shut" ;D Loved Luke in that moment. In a way, they were already almost acting like a couple ;D. And it was incredibly hot. Luke getting all physical and dragging Reid away/Reid letting himself get dragged away....More of that please! And feel free to take it much further. Has anyone else noticed that Reid has been manhandled by Luke quite a bit since he's been on the show?.....I think he likes it. And yes, I would like to see more as well!
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 12, 2010 11:23:42 GMT -5
I read in a ATWT forum that Van has his hair short right now (i always liked him more with his hair short) and there's a picture in a VH forum, with him and Eric and they seem like brothers. Thankfully Reid is in his 30's so i doubt these crazy writers could make him a long lost Damian son. I tried to find the pic but i couldn't
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 12, 2010 14:50:33 GMT -5
There's a poll that include Luke and Reid in tvguide.ca/SoapsWhen i voted for them they were at 0%, right now they are at 9% (they were the less voted and right now they are the second most voted, but the first are way ahead)
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Post by stregatta on Apr 12, 2010 16:00:16 GMT -5
There's a poll that include Luke and Reid in tvguide.ca/SoapsWhen i voted for them they were at 0%, right now they are at 9% (they were the less voted and right now they are the second most voted, but the first are way ahead) Now Lure are at 23%, thanks to you I voted too! (By now a couple from Y&R are winning with a 60%...BUT, if you consider that Lure aren't actually still a couple by now, & furthermore, are a gay 1, I guess it's a pretty nice success, no matter waht, isn't it?! ) I was thinking at that final scene of the Friday's ep. as another allusion: when Luke had been dragged away by Reid (again, physically "attached"?! )...Just when he was watching Noah's date; they both knew what was going on, or at least "thought they knew", & they agreed "to move on" (not just "to take the flight")...Did you see that epic moment the same way as me?! Besides, I like Van with long hair too, he's cute! (+ for once that a male has a different haircut, it's not bad at all! ) PS_Sorry BONOBOCHICK about the out-of-topic old comment (& the POV will be strictly personal ), it won't happen again! Ciao
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