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Post by Zathras on Mar 30, 2010 19:47:03 GMT -5
Besides, I didn't like the way Jake is acting his blindness: he always turns in other ways as regards as where his opposite speaker is, but generally people who have this problem or other actors I've seen, follow the voice, so they don't turn their heads, simply "look to the ground, or stare at something else", but basically the behaviour is not so "forced" Yeah, I noticed that, too. I don't personally know anyone that's blind but, I'd think that you'd at least look in the general direction of the person you're talking with, and not staring into space. It makes him look detached and uninterested. Maybe I've got it wrong, though  . Ugh. I wouldn't put it past ATWT to have Noah do that. I'll be very disappointed if they have him do only that, though, since he's been so detached for a while now. |
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Post by jgreens2 on Mar 30, 2010 20:42:49 GMT -5
It might have been hard for Jake to look at van with out "Looking" at Van. Maybe turning his head was the only way to get the shot in the amount of takes they had. Remember that even though noah is blind, jake can see and he had to make it look like he couldn't. It's really hard to train your eyes not to focus on something. Perhaps a marker off camera was his focus point. It looked weird to me too when he keeps turning his head but my guess was that it was just how they had to film it to make it seem real and so Jake wouldn't focus on Van when speaking to him.
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Post by cheerios on Mar 30, 2010 21:42:11 GMT -5
It might have been hard for Jake to look at van with out "Looking" at Van. Maybe turning his head was the only way to get the shot in the amount of takes they had. Remember that even though noah is blind, jake can see and he had to make it look like he couldn't. It's really hard to train your eyes not to focus on something. Perhaps a marker off camera was his focus point. It looked weird to me too when he keeps turning his head but my guess was that it was just how they had to film it to make it seem real and so Jake wouldn't focus on Van when speaking to him. True, it is very hard for actors who can see pretend they are blind. I know a few blind people or ones loosing their sight and they keep there face in the direction of my voice I'm guessing to get the full volume of my voice. It just wouldn't sit right with me to build up the relationship of Reid and Luke who have great chemistry for Noah to come back in and Luke and him to get back together. So basically having us really care about the character Reid after they develop him so much. Have him take a chance and open his heart to Luke only for Luke to go back to Noah. I really think it might be over for Noah and Luke and they should just be friends from now on. And it's just bad writing too, that Luke really connects with Reid, but then suddenly goes back to Noah. |
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Post by Lostaway on Mar 30, 2010 21:56:59 GMT -5
I loved Monday's episode! The Doc freaking out in the elevator was great, but I especially liked their banter at the very end of the ep, right before Reid got served. They were actually smiling and laughing and not in a spiteful or condescending way. It seemed like, if they hadn't been interrupted, Reid could have asked Luke out for coffee (or vice versa).
The more I watch them together, the more I really, REALLY hope their relationship lasts. It's just fun to watch, you know? Can't wait to see where it goes from here!
Also, I made another video with Reid's best snarky lines. There's more to come, too!
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 30, 2010 23:07:53 GMT -5
Great video Lostaway! Thanks for Posting. ;D
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 31, 2010 3:13:34 GMT -5
I believe someone stated that they were developing the Reid character as a long term love interest for Luke. But, that the show's cancellation will probably mean they will seek some improbable ending. At this point, I believe the Luke character belongs with Reid, and that Noah seems more of a friendship rather than romantic relationship. I think Reid and Luke are good for each other while remaining a lot of drama for us too. Whatever the reason, I think part of the issue with Luke and Noah together was that they never produced this kind of soapy drama between the characters that did not feel forced and improbable plotting. Most of the conflict between Luke and Noah seemed to have grown out of that plotting. Whereas with Luke and Reid- the conflict is between the two of them. This is exactly how character driven soap stories should work. The actor who plays Reid is also a strong actor. He's giving a lot for the actor who plays Luke (sorry can't remember their names) to play off of. This is critical to good soapy drama too. Both have a good sense of timing that really works . Going from hard to soft to hard as they both are doing in the same scene and making it feel natural is not easy. It might have been hard for Jake to look at van with out "Looking" at Van. Maybe turning his head was the only way to get the shot in the amount of takes they had. Remember that even though noah is blind, jake can see and he had to make it look like he couldn't. It's really hard to train your eyes not to focus on something. Perhaps a marker off camera was his focus point. It looked weird to me too when he keeps turning his head but my guess was that it was just how they had to film it to make it seem real and so Jake wouldn't focus on Van when speaking to him. True, it is very hard for actors who can see pretend they are blind. I know a few blind people or ones loosing their sight and they keep there face in the direction of my voice I'm guessing to get the full volume of my voice. It just wouldn't sit right with me to build up the relationship of Reid and Luke who have great chemistry for Noah to come back in and Luke and him to get back together. So basically having us really care about the character Reid after they develop him so much. Have him take a chance and open his heart to Luke only for Luke to go back to Noah. I really think it might be over for Noah and Luke and they should just be friends from now on. And it's just bad writing too, that Luke really connects with Reid, but then suddenly goes back to Noah. |
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Post by stregatta on Mar 31, 2010 15:49:19 GMT -5
Besides, I didn't like the way Jake is acting his blindness: he always turns in other ways as regards as where his opposite speaker is, but generally people who have this problem or other actors I've seen, follow the voice, so they don't turn their heads, simply "look to the ground, or stare at something else", but basically the behaviour is not so "forced" Yeah, I noticed that, too. I don't personally know anyone that's blind but, I'd think that you'd at least look in the general direction of the person you're talking with, and not staring into space. It makes him look detached and uninterested. Maybe I've got it wrong, though . Ugh. I wouldn't put it past ATWT to have Noah do that. I'll be very disappointed if they have him do only that, though, since he's been so detached for a while now. Regarding what my fears laid, I'm crossing every fingers I have, hoping that writers don't throw over the roof such a great sl & chemestry!!!  About the blindness-issue, I've known someone who was, & like someone said here, he focused with attention towards the voice, so basically in connection with the person in front of him, more than a person who can see. Then I've seen also an hour-special with our great singer Bocelli, & I remember the way he was compared to the camera & speaker...& last but not least, quite recently I've seen a plot in an Italian fiction with a girl turned blind (who fell for her doc too!  ), & IMO she's been very good in acting the anger, the frustration & even the seduction, faking her frightening status...(I particularly remember a scene in a traffic jam, in which she's been super!  ): she was more natural, never turned her head, but simply not looking into the eyes of the other opposite speaker... |
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Post by stregatta on Mar 31, 2010 15:55:13 GMT -5
***According to you...Which of the 2 will be the 1st to make the move & kiss the other??*** The question of the millenium...Thinking of the last couple of eps, it seems to me it will be Luke, because he always seems to be the 1 who's more "touching & good with body language"...Reid, on the other hand, looks like being more "reserved", even if he could be a surprise in the end, like fire beneath the ice (of course this is my fav option!! LOL ;D) PS_Jeez pliiz, don't make the classic soapy-thing in which, after having suffered with our heroes for months, when finally LuRe kiss, in an hospital room/elevator...Somehow Noah will be there "peeping"/hearing too & spoiling the scene!!  ). I've noticed ATWT loves to cut off the kisses that way, there's plenty of cases...I mean, come on, let's leave at least a good kiss for us (that BTW isn't however great & naughty, 'cause tongues are forbidden I guess  ), like "explicit" gays-sex scenes... PS_@Lostaway it's you that create such nice videos...I've got your 1st too among my fav on YT...Thanks so much & please, continue your good work!! |
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Post by Zathras on Mar 31, 2010 20:15:19 GMT -5
Hmm. That's an interesting question, stregatta  . I'll have to think about it a bit . |
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Post by shamelessfan on Mar 31, 2010 20:24:58 GMT -5
I think it will be Reid. He is the most reserved one, and that says to me, the one most likely to explode. Let's be honest. He's a hot shot doctor, but he's probably not having much sex. Not that Luke was getting much either. But Luke's dance cart was a little more full than Reid because Reid as he said to Dr. Hewes does not even see human relationships as important. That's one mighty repressed dude ready to explode. Were this a Euro soap, I would expect their first time to be like Roman and Deniz given the sexual tension, but being the US I assume an intense kiss is about as far as we will get. Also, Reid is the one who went there immediately about the "thing" they shared when he was buttering Luke up at the dinner in order to ask Luke to donate money. So I think Reid. It is always the ones seeking to be most in control of themselves who are the least able to do so when it comes to passion.
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Post by luckyduck152 on Mar 31, 2010 23:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by stregatta on Apr 1, 2010 6:17:53 GMT -5
Thanks guys! Thinking twice to it, it could be Reid as "the surprise" that you actually don't expect in the 1st place...I'm curious!
About the rest, of course we won't have much further than that, even if I still think a well-shot love-making scene, is more erotic than a very-explicit 1: so if they would made a nice 1, without being vulgar, I guess they could make it also in US.... ^_^
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Post by cheerios on Apr 1, 2010 13:32:00 GMT -5
Yeah the shower scene by Dero I think isn't very explicit or long, maybe one shot of a bum and that's it. And it's one of the best love scenes to me because you just see them kissing and their reactions. To me sometime what you don't see is sexier to me, you don't have to show a lot to go a long way.
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Post by stregatta on Apr 2, 2010 16:24:16 GMT -5
Knowing that soaps never do something "out of the blue & to no purpose", I was also wondering if, after having called up this new actor (next cute Noah's friend, who for sure will have something interesting to do in ATWT... Let's pray everyone for Noah falling for him!!!  ), they'll also link someone else from Reid's past....To get things heated up even more, or however more complicated (...Driving us crazy! ) Because it's true that the Dr is supposed to be a lonely person, just a "workaholic": but what we really know about his past?? So little! He's a poker-face , so could have also been a sort of "weekend-lover", a "womanizer" (I don't know the masculine corresponding word for it, LOL! ) or so in his past; but a cold-1, who never wanted to be romantically involved into a real relationship, or commitment of sort... What I like the most of this character (apart from the fact that the audience & Luke can have a laugh for once! ;D), is that you never know what to expect from him: so it could also be that when we relax, thinking he's finally happy for having discovered this new feeling, he'll instead behave "badly", to actually hide or deny his love with others, hurting Luke... Mmhhh, it's just an idea, but it's going to be interesting to follow indeed! Usually in this kind of plots, there's often a good faithful ex-lover, always ready to regain his lost place, & a new tormented love ("the 1"), which struggles to surface & survive...Let's see if this is the same case! (Funny to read that comment from the forum-board suggested by a friend here, in which someone was complaining that there's always "the gay out of the closet" or "the man who doeasn't know how to love"-kind of plots...Oh well, of course, the stories are always the same since the beginning of the world more or less; but it's the skill of the new writers & actors to make them fresh & unique again! ) PS_Speaking of the sexuality-taboo again, it came to my mind a Jap-cartoon of years ago, "Sailor Moon", that for not being banned here, had been changed drastically in its very own foundations: an ambiguous male character, had been "transformed" into a girl, dubbing him with a woman-voice (probably changing also his lines?!)...A weird case of censorship, I know, but with the mess we had had with children-tv, I can understand the embarrassment of having to explain a story from a very different culture, in which there was a queer alien, which wanted to court the heroine, even if he didn't look as an average boy! LOL But here instead the audience is an adult 1; I don't see where's the problem of showing 2 men shirtless or in their pants (no naked boobs...So even "easier" I guess for US-tv?!),& perhaps 1 or 2 kisses with a hug...Am I too liberal?! Anyway if this kind of shows is so "bigot", then why even allowing: 1) Gay-SLS at all... 2) A type of speech like "the sexy 1" between Nuke at the beginning of their SL (yes, that popular 1 of the roll, in the Café...)?!Sometimes words can be more provocative or dangerous than the nudity, can't they? It's pitiful there's still such an hypocritical society...(I mean in general!  ). |
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Post by Zathras on Apr 2, 2010 19:31:25 GMT -5
so could have also been a sort of "weekend-lover", a "womanizer" (I don't know the masculine corresponding word for it, LOL! ) "Manizer" ? ;D |
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Post by stregatta on Apr 2, 2010 19:41:08 GMT -5
so could have also been a sort of "weekend-lover", a "womanizer" (I don't know the masculine corresponding word for it, LOL! ) "Manizer" ? ;D LOL!! ;D (at this point probably we could also sing along Miss Brtiney with this new 1?!) |
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Post by cheerios on Apr 3, 2010 1:08:17 GMT -5
Well I was looking at the thesaurus at what could be used instead of womanizer.
How about Casanova, Don Juan, Romeo, gigolo, heart breaker, libertine, Lothario, lover-boy, rake, playboy, gay dog, heavy hitter, lover boy, operator, philanderer, player, tomcat, and wolf.
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Post by stregatta on Apr 4, 2010 5:44:26 GMT -5
Oh well, I know more or less all here are resigned to see a Nuke finale...But if you could dream for once, about finding in your Easter chocolate egg your perfect 1, what it would be?? Mine a jump years ahead in time, for the very last ep (2-hour long, in which they'll show us the way taken by every character), after all the inevitable drama of the triangle, that has left Luke wondering how to deal with his future & which lover is "the 1" for him... Reid has left town in the meantime, sure that Luke belongs to Noah, & he seems to do it, as the right choice for everyone...Instead we see a different conclusion, with a very last scene in which Luke understands "out of the blue" that he really loves dear Dr, & is at last reunited with him, against all odds (...A classic airport-last minute meeting on the run...Or I don't know, at the new hospital where he works, something cheesy cliched like that)! It would be a pleasant surprise, as lots of people keep saying ATWT is such a predictable show.... Speaking of which, I remember a French book/fiction, in which the heroine, even if passed some years running after her childhood-1st love...Only at the very end, he is finally ready to return her feelings, but in the meantime, she had had an affair with a mysterious friend/ enemy, who finally (knowing that she had always said to him "Yes we do it, but I don't love you!") left her a letter in which was leaving to her the decision of calling him again, or breaking up forever...According to the "American way", she obviously should have chosen the old lover, instead...She opted for the new guy, for whom her feelings had developed, growing up, & I've like much the idea+suspense till the finale!! ) All in all, if it's true that this soap is going to finish enventually, then it shouldn't care anymore about the ratings, etc...Why don't go away with a final bang, surprising the public for once, with a script worthy of its name?? But perhaps I'm demanding too much (especially being a soap, you know...)!! Ok, a nice dream indeed (or perhaps they could make a double ending-direct-to-dvd, for making all fans happy?! )...BTW, HAPPY EASTER to you!! PS_Like other fans were recently saying...For how long Reid will continue to call him MR SNYDER? Or perhaps it's a kind of old-fashioned "sexy thing", like Jane Austen's "My Mr Knightly" (for Emma)?!....LOL ) PS#2_THANKS CHEERIOS, YOU ROCK!! ;D) Funny enough, on my dictionary there were "philander", libertine...Probably "playboy" sounds better anyway! Ciao* |
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Post by HQ75 on Apr 7, 2010 15:35:26 GMT -5
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Oh Luke, why didn't you use the foundation to try to win the dad over?
I don't mind his Grimaldi/Walshness showing for a good cause but he's gotta get better game. If you're gonna play, be good at it.
I just wanted to be like "Luke, Fund for Families with Children Who Have Brain Tumors" in the little girl's honor. DUDE!
Reid is transparent as cellophane. Dude, you have a crush, you were totally grooving on the idea of Luke knowing your favorite coffee (or going to the trouble to find out) and you SOO just wanted to touch him.
As for Luke, Who you trying to fool sugar?
That is all.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 7, 2010 18:32:23 GMT -5
Wow, I read those scenes far differently.
a) I saw Luke try to help Reid out, and b) I saw that Reid actually appreciated the gesture even if Luke's attempt was boneheaded.
I also saw some other differences: a) The maturity of how Reid responded to Luke's mistake because he appreciated the quality in Luke that makes him so passionate about people he cares about and b) seeing a flash of awareness in Luke that helping someone you care about need not always end up being this big drama fest like Luke would have experienced with Noah. That an adult would look at what Luke did, and be a little annoyed that it failed, but that same adult would appreciate the thought behind it.
I doubt either one of them fully appreciates yet how they have slowly grown to want each other. Yes, they sense the underlying attraction, but today was a glimpse about why they are attracted to each other: They are both very passionate men for what they want although their passions differ significantly.
Reid is a guy who cares deeply about the way he does medicine down to the point of willing to sacrifice his own career for the neurological center to help others when he first found out about the law suit. Luke is a guy who cares deeply for those he is in relationship with down to fighting against all hope for them even when it gets to the point that Luke seems pathetic. This interaction casts Luke's behavior in a new light for me. He's just a really passionate guy- mistakes and all.
They both share a lot in common that at first blush may not be as obvious as it was until today for me. By the way, it is not that Noah is a bad person. It is that he does not share this intensity that Luke and Reid have. Based on this, I think Luke and Reid are far more perfect for each other.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 7, 2010 20:53:36 GMT -5
You both have good points, though I disagree a bit.
My take on today's scenes is that Luke was trying to help Noah, not Reid. I think he's still feeling a bit guilty for his role in Noah's blindness. Even though he broke up with Noah, it was clear that he still cares a lot for him. So I think he saw Judd's lawsuit as a threat to the chances of Noah getting his sight back, and he wanted to do something about it.
You're quite right, shamelessfan, that Luke is passionate. Just like Damian. The problem is that (also just like Damian), he does really stupid things for the sake of that passion. All too often he acts without thinking things through. That's one of my (personal) problems with his character. Passion can be great, but passion without thought is often aimless and destructive.
I really don't know what Luke expected Judd to say to his attempt to pay him off to get him to go away. He seems to see Reid as this fabulous doctor, and completely ignores Judd's perspective that Reid caused his daughter's death. While I doubt that Reid was reckless, Judd may not see clearly through his grief, and certainly wasn't going to see Reid as a good doctor.
I'm not entirely sure why Reid was okay with it. I guess, as you say, he appreciated the gesture. I won't go so far as to say that Reid is so obviously attracted to Luke that he's willing to overlook the bonehead move. Maybe he is, but they haven't sold it to me very well just yet.
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Post by shamelessfan on Apr 7, 2010 21:15:30 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure why Reid was okay with it. I guess, as you say, he appreciated the gesture. I won't go so far as to say that Reid is so obviously attracted to Luke that he's willing to overlook the bonehead move. Maybe he is, but they haven't sold it to me very well just yet. Because Reid and Luke are like each other in this quality of their personalities. Reid goes passionately after what he wants without regard to the consequences of his actions or words. The things that many of you hate about Reid comes out of this view of life. Every negative trait you can apply to Reid comes out of his sharing this quality with Luke. So- He gets where Luke is coming from in ways that Luke probably doesn't even know about himself as a character and certainly not ways that Noah seems to have known. Luke has spent most of the last few years with a guy who doesn't really on some level "get" Luke. Whatever you think of Luke, I think that the adult aspect of LuRe would be that Luke learns to accept himself, as imperfect as he is, as himself. This is why Luke was surprised at Reid's response. He was expecting condemnation because that condemnation probably came from Noah's lack of understanding, but given the characterization of Reid, as I think about it, I am not really surprised by his response at all. Who better to understand Luke's behavior than a guy like Reid? It makes perfect sense when you find someone who is like you in some ways for you not become angry over things you see in yourself. Reid has been presented as a confident character who knows who he is and what he wants. He goes after it. The thing is- Luke is there to show him things he needs (rather than just what he wants). Reid has not now realized he needs these things until Luke. That's why Bob Hughes, the father figure to Reid, is also there- pointing out the things Reid needs in his life. |
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Post by Hawthorne on Apr 8, 2010 20:04:11 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this story. Geez, why couldn't they have done something like this earlier? Interesting characters. Interesting situation. Dialog that doesn't make me cringe...
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Post by tlynn on Apr 8, 2010 20:14:42 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this story. Geez, why couldn't they have done something like this earlier? Interesting characters. Interesting situation. Dialog that doesn't make me cringe... And like so many have already pointed out, it's also led to the rejuvenation of Van's acting. When he's on, he's such a pleasure to watch. He embodies Luke right down to the tiniest gestures--like yesterday's "Oh shit" look when Reid walked in on him trying to bribe Judd. |
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Post by Zathras on Apr 8, 2010 20:20:43 GMT -5
Thursday 8 April clips courtesy LukeVanFan. Thanks!
I wasn't sure whether these were more Luke/Reid or Luke/Noah, so put them here.
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