lizg12
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Post by lizg12 on Feb 16, 2010 17:30:05 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, in real-life (as opposed to the VL story ) would Olli (and Gregor as co-owner?) be charged if the police found out about the drugdealing at a NL party?
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chrollifan211
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Post by chrollifan211 on Feb 16, 2010 18:31:41 GMT -5
Hmmm that is a good question
I would think not because how are Gregor or Olli suppost to know who had drugs and who didnt?
Unless the bouncers are suppost to check each person that attends the party, like a strip search.
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Post by joanna on Feb 16, 2010 20:03:45 GMT -5
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 21:04:22 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the fact that the show is finally focusing on Olli's dream and is letting him pursue it. Jo is fantastic right now, plus I still like Max Engelke and his acting, but that last scene with Christian and Olli fighting about Rob again while Rob himself met this dealer guy and they were all "Duh, we're gonna sell coke on a grand scale at No Limits" – well, that was a bit of an anticlimax. Brought back my fear that it'll be only a matter of time until Christian will be allowed to turn 'Rambo' again and save his 'damsel in distress' Olli from Robert. But maybe there's going to be additional twist to it after all. I agree more with Kes here...Like you I'm glad that finally the attention is for Olli again, but I've the impression that he's for telling us "Beware! Olli is too ambitious, he'll be punished sooner or later_kind of thing!!" I bet that Chris will be the Rambo-hero, as you said... MAMMA MIA it's a scandal writers are throwing away such a potential story...Perhaps really we're too good fans for them after all?! PS_I agree with LUIGIA & Mona's thoughts too about these eps. Anyways, for enjoying at his best VL, I've to put aside my wish for sparkling-writing & deep plots, 'cause almost everything seems to float on the surface. (Sorry for letting myself be disappointed today ) Ciao (I still think Chrolli are the endgame, I'm SUX sure...There's even the US remake in store!!)
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Post by mona on Feb 16, 2010 23:14:00 GMT -5
I wonder what's more important for Christian. That Olli doesn't believe him or no matter how he feels why he doesn't that he's more worried what could happen to Olli. I mean, he saw the dealing so he knows it's a problem. I have the hope that maybe he cares more about the last one and not so much about his own feelings or the crisis itself. That would feel wrong when such a threat is there in his mind.
I wonder if Rebecca was in the weird dancing mood because she saw something is wrong again between Olli and Christian?
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 23:32:52 GMT -5
I wonder what's more important for Christian. That Olli doesn't believe him or no matter how he feels why he doesn't that he's more worried what could happen to Olli. I mean, he saw the dealing so he knows it's a problem. I have the hope that maybe he cares more about the last one and not so much about his own feelings or the crisis itself. That would feel wrong when such a threat is there in his mind. I wonder if Rebecca was in the weird dancing mood because she saw something is wrong again between Olli and Christian? Who knows? Probably a mix of all you've said it's true...& writers are still thinking to their next steps, more than 1 direction is open, but I wouldn't have too high expectations ( I don't want to be more disappointed) Tscuss*
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 16, 2010 23:55:55 GMT -5
Thanks JOanna and sonnenschein and Nanna!! The boys were UNBELIEVABLY gorgeous today... lots to process
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 17, 2010 0:41:07 GMT -5
Another strong episode for Ollian that I'm truly enjoying. And great that Jo and Thore get to exercise their fine acting skills. It's been well over a year since they got to do that. If we just look at this storyline at this point in time...Olli is looking a bit like a naive fool. But I can't put blame on him since he just wants to realize his dream of being the 'it' spot for all that is happening. But there has to be a time when you take a deep breath and just stop and think. The fact that he never really believed Christian witnessed drug dealings speaks volumes of his current state of mind. Olli needs to ask himself...would Christian deliberately lie to me about something like this? Would he really want me to fail? This is my boyfriend who loves me deeply and has supported me from day one regarding NL...would he really want to sabotage my success? The need for success runs through every blood vessel in Olli's body, so Christian's safety advice is going to fall on deaf ears. And it is within keeping with Olli's personality that his response to Christian would cut like a knife...You say these things Christian because you are jealous. My loyalty lies in my one way ticket to success Robert...therefore I shall believe him against you. This is Olli Sabel blinded by ambition. You know...VL is a tiny SOAP in Germany with limited budget and not too good ratings. I don't expect brilliance or too much depth from the writers. So in all honesty...I'm really enjoying what I'm getting regarding Ollian's latest storyline. I'm loving the involvement of the Robert character and his drug dealing ways. And the acting is solid all around. I don't have any complaints at the moment and look forward to the next episode. Maybe part of my lack of complaints and genuine love of the present storyline is in some part due to the lack of Rebecca, with her currently reduced to a bit of background noise. ;D Nanna, Tihkon thank you so much for the subs. And joanna a big thank you for those wonderful caps. I'm sure it's very time consuming. And sonnenschein...very grateful for the summery. It's what I rely on until the nanna uploads the subbed ep.
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Post by sio127 on Feb 17, 2010 2:51:49 GMT -5
brownsugar......you took the words right out of my mouth. (Then rearranged them and added a lot more style and flare) I agree, I am really happy with the last two episodes (and let's throw in the vlog). The acting is superb, that Olli loves Christian is obvious but he does not want to believe what Christian is saying....he sees his dream almost at touching distance and NOTHING can go wrong with that. It isn't Christians dream, so he can see all around, he wants Olli to suceed, (one c or two?) but is worried. Loving it.
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Post by maya on Feb 17, 2010 7:01:52 GMT -5
You know...VL is a tiny SOAP in Germany with limited budget and not too good ratings. I don't expect brilliance or too much depth from the writers. So in all honesty...I'm really enjoying what I'm getting regarding Ollian's latest storyline. I'm loving the involvement of the Robert character and his drug dealing ways. And the acting is solid all around. I don't have any complaints at the moment and look forward to the next episode. Maybe part of my lack of complaints and genuine love of the present storyline is in some part due to the lack of Rebecca, with her currently reduced to a bit of background noise. ;D I agree with you, in all honesty I have to say that I'm enjoying this storyline so far more than I would have expected when I first read the spoilers. And one of the thing that I love most about this storyline is that I can totally relate with both sides of Christian and Olli own reasons. Christian is worried about Rob bad influence on Olli and he's at the same time a little jealous of his presence in his boyfriend's life, while Olli doesn't see any reason to be worried right now and he's trying to enjoy his sudden success. I'm happy for him because Christian is not the only one to have the right to follow his dreams Anyway I'm really curious to see how all this will play out and how Rebecca ( ) will fill in in this plot. I hope that in the end Chrolli will come out stronger as a couple.
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Post by valso on Feb 17, 2010 10:37:50 GMT -5
I've finally got to see the episode and I liked it, from the preview I expected a lot worse than what went on screen. Even if there is tension between the guys I liked that there are still some tender moments between them, like the one on the bed. It shows me that even if they're going through a troubled moment, the love is still there. As always thanks to all the people that bring us the clips, subtitles, screencaps, recaps, you guys are really great!
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 17, 2010 21:19:42 GMT -5
brownsugar......you took the words right out of my mouth. (Then rearranged them and added a lot more style and flare) I agree, I am really happy with the last two episodes (and let's throw in the vlog). The acting is superb, that Olli loves Christian is obvious but he does not want to believe what Christian is saying....he sees his dream almost at touching distance and NOTHING can go wrong with that. It isn't Christians dream, so he can see all around, he wants Olli to suceed, (one c or two?) but is worried. Loving it. sio...that's what really makes this episode in Ollian's story so enjoyable...the acting is superb. I know the storyline isn't in any way original...the gay boxer, his boyfriend, a beard and his eventual coming out in the boxing ring is what you call orgional ;D Nevertheless, I'm loving what I'm seeing on screen. And really looking foreword to seeing how this storyline will play out. One thing I am so sure will happen...Olli and Christian will survive this latest turbulence in their relationship. They love each other too much to imagine not spending their lives together. ;D
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 17, 2010 21:22:29 GMT -5
One thing I am so sure will happen...Olli and Christian will survive this latest turbulence in their relationship. They love each other too much to imagine not spending their lives together. ;D Brownsugar, this is why I LOVE YOUUUU!!!!!!!! You're so positive, and I seriously agree with EVERYTHING you say. I wish more people in here were more like you!!
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 17, 2010 21:27:34 GMT -5
You know...VL is a tiny SOAP in Germany with limited budget and not too good ratings. I don't expect brilliance or too much depth from the writers. So in all honesty...I'm really enjoying what I'm getting regarding Ollian's latest storyline. I'm loving the involvement of the Robert character and his drug dealing ways. And the acting is solid all around. I don't have any complaints at the moment and look forward to the next episode. Maybe part of my lack of complaints and genuine love of the present storyline is in some part due to the lack of Rebecca, with her currently reduced to a bit of background noise. ;D I agree with you, in all honesty I have to say that I'm enjoying this storyline so far more than I would have expected when I first read the spoilers. And one of the thing that I love most about this storyline is that I can totally relate with both sides of Christian and Olli own reasons. Christian is worried about Rob bad influence on Olli and he's at the same time a little jealous of his presence in his boyfriend's life, while Olli doesn't see any reason to be worried right now and he's trying to enjoy his sudden success. I'm happy for him because Christian is not the only one to have the right to follow his dreams Anyway I'm really curious to see how all this will play out and how Rebecca ( ) will fill in in this plot. I hope that in the end Chrolli will come out stronger as a couple. Yep...that little nagging hitch called Rebecca is low key right now ;D but it's almost like she is hanging out in the wings just wait to jump at the first opportunity.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 17, 2010 21:37:56 GMT -5
One thing I am so sure will happen...Olli and Christian will survive this latest turbulence in their relationship. They love each other too much to imagine not spending their lives together. ;D Brownsugar, this is why I LOVE YOUUUU!!!!!!!! You're so positive, and I seriously agree with EVERYTHING you say. I wish more people in here were more like you!! Chrolli...I truly believe no matter how much Rebecca fantasizes, stalks or drools over Christian...she is invisible to him. His heart has already been taken...and the man who stole his heart is Oliver Sabel. It's obvious no other person stands a chance with Christian or Olli.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 17, 2010 21:40:18 GMT -5
Chrolli...I truly believe no matter how much Rebecca fantasizes, stalks or drools over Christian...she is invisible to him. His heart has already been taken...and the man who stole his heart is Oliver Sabel. It's obvious no other person stands a chance with Christian or Olli. U said it, sista!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by husky14620 on Feb 17, 2010 22:08:06 GMT -5
Three things we haven't considered yet.
Does Christian know yet about WHY Olli left Duesseldorf those many years ago?
Since the law may not hold Olli criminally responsible for the drug dealing, but would probably pull his business, health department, and/or alcohol licenses or permits, what will happen when Olli loses NoLimits?
How will Charlie react? Both when she finds out there are drug deals going down in NL, and when her investment is lost due to the above license or permit problems?
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Post by cantletyoudrown on Feb 18, 2010 19:49:15 GMT -5
I've been wondering too whether the writers have any idea of tying in the current story with what I have read (not seen) was the end of Olli's story before he left the show after his first stint. Unless this theme actually amazes me and shows up in the story, I am tending to think not, for the following reasons:
- Five years is an awfully long time in the series world and I don't think the writers have ANY expectation that even one thing is remembered about Olli's first appearance, other than his connection to Charlie. Before Youtube, there wasn't even a way you could see past episodes. The only ones I have seen have to do with the Tom-Ulli-Olli triangle. It is likely to be an idea they tried and and dropped about the same time he left the show. They may have decided to treat everything on that earlier period as forgotten and forgettable. That Olli really didn't have much in common with the Olli we know.
- I have not seen one thing in the story since 2007 that ties Olli to his past, or implies he is a person for whom the past is important. He is an energetic, up person who seems to live completely in the present and near future. His relationship with his mother, for example, is not treated as anything important to who he is now.
Whereas Christian's relationship to his brother and father is something really elemental to him. Christian will always try to live his life in a way that reshapes his memory of his father to what he believed he really was or should have been. And, in a way which makes him worthy of his father in turn.
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Post by Nitty on Feb 18, 2010 20:52:01 GMT -5
^ Just because Olli isn't vocal about the negative things in his past and his relationship with his mother, doesn't mean that these things aren't a big part of who he is today. And just recently, Andi did bring up Olli's troubled past. Andi wanted to borrow money from Olli and reminded him of the time when he gave Olli money(old drug storyline).
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Post by lizg12 on Feb 18, 2010 22:16:46 GMT -5
um, when did the punching bag come back? Does that mean Christian is cured?
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Post by mona on Feb 19, 2010 0:02:00 GMT -5
Since the law may not hold Olli criminally responsible for the drug dealing, but would probably pull his business, health department, and/or alcohol licenses or permits, what will happen when Olli loses NoLimits? It could work as a trick to let Olli free from the NL sooner or later. But I think that would only happen if he wants to leave. I actually think it would be okay if Olli loses the NL as "punishment" but get's a happy end in love then.
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Post by Zam on Feb 21, 2010 1:47:46 GMT -5
The punching bag was back about a week before Olli's seizure. You know, when he was spazzing out before jumping on Christian to give him the massage?
Maybe it appeared at the end of last year? It was definitely there in Nanna's pt 242 (1/7/10) when Andi confessed his love for Helena in the Ollian bedroom.
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Post by Zam on Feb 21, 2010 2:20:48 GMT -5
You know...VL is a tiny SOAP in Germany with limited budget and not too good ratings. I don't expect brilliance or too much depth from the writers. I need to disagree with what I think your point is here. SPOILER: they certainly wouldn't be bringing on Joan Collins to grab some ratings if they were behaving like a show with no money.First, It would be a shame if those who work on the show treat it like a "small" show, or use the excuse of poor ratings for getting away with less-than-stellar stories. Anyone from the show who did that doesn't deserve to work there. If you have writers on staff who can do good work, then they ought. If they can't, they need to go. Same with the actors, and anyone else involved with the production. Small budgets or ratings shouldn't limit the imagination of those who work on the show, that's the bottom line. The head writer and lead producer have the final say over the pacing of the story, and the show overall. Compare the pacing of ATWT, where story arcs generally have the longevity of a speedbump on the road; and then OLTL who spent nearly the entire month of November dealing with election day/Jared's murder/Mitch's return. One day lasted all month. We don't see that. It's surprising if a single "day" lasts more than three eps on VL. The pacing of this story is moving quickly, but if TPTB are going to give Olli & Chrisitan a break (this is just spec), they're planting the seeds to make it plausible. The fights are more frequent. The reconciliations are shorter-lasting and not as sincere. (the picnic was not a real reconciliation, btw, just a gesture) It would be nice if Rob's role in the drug dealing was more of a mystery. It would cause us the audience to choose sides between Olli and Christian. I'll keep sitting here with a big bowl of popcorn wondering what they have planned for the boys down the road.
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Post by Zam on Feb 21, 2010 2:25:35 GMT -5
they were so cute in bed, just wish there was more kissing though:( That would have been a bit out of place, IMHO. Anyone else get the impression from the way Christian was sprawled out in the bed with both pillows and hogging all the blankets that Olli didn't spend the night in bed with him?
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 21, 2010 7:09:13 GMT -5
I did get that rather disquieting impression, i actually wondered to myself if Olli even went to sleep after that party or if he just went upstairs, showered, grabbed a nap on the couch and turned around to work the brunch shift? I think at the time i explained away my discomfort by reasoning that olli got up first and we're seeing him just after he's dressed, so because since olli left the bed, christian is sprawling. Though the shot makes it seem like he just walked in, but then again the tying the shoes looks like the first shoe tie of the day.... gah. I dunno. But, as far as I'm concerned olli's pillow is right where it should be: i wonder how much christian's chest is at ikea...and does it come in colors....
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