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Post by davedoty on Feb 4, 2010 2:14:52 GMT -5
Clips for the latest episode:
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Post by davedoty on Feb 7, 2010 13:23:10 GMT -5
Okay, not sure where discussion of old episodes that have already long since aired in the UK and US both belong, but since all the discussion is here, this is where I'm putting it.
I was watching old episodes with a couple of new converts last night. You know that episode where Yvonne hires a new part timer at the shop, so Ian can spend two nights a week at the Jockey closer to Kash? And how some of you thought there was a gay vibe between Ian and that kid?
And you know the episode from the next season, where Ian's gay friend takes him to a tearoom/cottage for the first time?
Well, since our marathon included both of those eps last night, I thought those two characters were the same when I saw them close together. IMDB confirmed it when I got home. The guy who took Ian to the toilets is the same Mick who made one appearance as an employee at Karib's.
So those of you who picked up a vibe, congrats on your perception! Although there's not any evidence that the two ever hooked up. I suppose a passing f*buddy sort of thing isn't out of the question.
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 10, 2010 4:10:14 GMT -5
Mimi Paddy Mickey ;D A bit lighter episode after the last one with Karen going mad.
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Post by justinate on Feb 10, 2010 9:07:05 GMT -5
LMAO at Mickey ... don't blame him though, plumber Dan was hott.
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Post by davedoty on Feb 10, 2010 10:34:23 GMT -5
Uh... that next time teaser at the end just broke my brain.
Also, I usually assume that the comedy bit at the end actually happened, but this time I refuse to accept it. aaah!
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Post by ivaniv on Feb 10, 2010 11:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by stl29tide on Feb 10, 2010 19:54:02 GMT -5
Wow. I feel so bad for Shane. Kelly may have said that it was just a job, but, I don't think Shane's going to accept that....and you know he'll find out..... and OMFG to the scenes for next week! Carl is going to go crazy when he finds out and Mickey looked crushed. Oh Ian. Why must you put yourself in these dilemmas?
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Post by carld2 on Feb 14, 2010 20:17:48 GMT -5
They always find new ways to show off Carl's bod. Not that I'm complaining. Nice legs on him.
Do we know how far they're going to go with Ian and Maxine? I haven't seen the clip. Is it going to be a relationship, or just a kiss, or...? I thought they were sort of hinting at it a few weeks ago.
This is the second time Ian's had feelings for a woman. I've known gay man who have had multiple relationships with women but since they've said it's also emotional for Ian, I wonder if they're ever going to have him wonder if he's bi.
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Post by stl29tide on Feb 14, 2010 21:52:53 GMT -5
Well, from the previews for the next episode:
Ian and Max definitely have sex and Mickey sees them and then tells Carl about it. It looks like Carl deals with both hatred and love for Maxine and Ian, with a little more anger toward Ian and it looks like seeing Max and Ian together stirs up some unresolved feelings for Mickey which leads him into a heated confrontation with Ian.
I don't know how long this storyline is supposed to go on for. It'll be interesting to see what happens as a result of everything though.
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Post by carld2 on Feb 14, 2010 22:48:47 GMT -5
I took Ian's side during the abortion, even though I suspected what might happen, but I can't blame Carl for being angry now. I just wonder where they're going with this. The season long preview had a scene of Maxine walking in on Mickey and Ian having sex, right? Has that already happened? If it doesn't happen in the next episode it means that anything with Maxine and Ian will not last long.
I'm kind of torn here because I don't think Ian has any real feelings for Mickey besides friendship and some attraction, so I don't really know if I'd want them together; Mickey deserves real love. And while I know the whole "turned straight by the right woman" story is hackneyed and offensive, this is the second time Ian has had sex with a woman and had romantic feelings for her. Instead of just saying hey, a gay man can do this over and over, I'd almost rather they actually try to make Maxine and Ian a couple, at least for several episodes. It would cause story for Ian and Carl which couldn't be wrapped up in an episode, would send Mickey in a new direction, would make Carl grow up, and there would be a lot of drama for Ian. I think Ian and Maxine have good chemistry together, although that was as friends, I'm not sure what they'd be like otherwise.
The episode 6 summary on the Channel 4 site doesn't mention them at all so if it does happen it may just be a one episode story.
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Post by carld2 on Feb 15, 2010 4:22:03 GMT -5
I finally watched the full episode from last week; overall I enjoyed it. I did think the whole Mimi story went a bit off the rails. I think they should have just had him as someone who was a toyboy and became too obsessed with her, instead of saying he was 14.
I guess what Paddy was doing with Kelly was as much about control as about sex. It's interesting how that story as well as the one with Mimi started out as comedy and then became dark. I think he's going to become a problem for Kelly. I also wonder if she may eventually decide to trade up. Is it wrong that I thought he was kind of hot when he was doing his Tony Manero impression?
Speaking of being wrong, I thought Joe looked very good in the suit and tie, and the tight shirt, and his towel. His looks are enough to make me get through his very confusing storyline. I also liked his scenes with Karen. Karen is disturbing to watch, but that's good, as it seems very real.
I loved when Mickey tried to get out of flirting with women because of "sexism and misogyny." Mickey is a star.
Sometimes the Frank stories make me tune out but I did enjoy everyone laughing at him when he was blind. Then his horror when he figured out he'd been with a transvestite.
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Post by stl29tide on Feb 15, 2010 7:56:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure how long the Ian and Maxine thing is supposed to last. It's possible that it could last more than one episode and they start dating. However, after awhile Ian starts to realize that he just cares about her as a friend and was lonely and by this time, after the confrontation with Mickey and living with him, seeing him try to move on, he finds himself seeing in Mickey what Mickey always saw in him and that's when Mickey and Ian have sex (because to answer you question, they haven't yet) and Maxine walks in on them and then Ian and her break up.
I don't know, I'm just pullin' at strings here. Either way, this week is sure to be a good episode. I think each episode does keep getting better.
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Post by luvagdluvstory on Feb 15, 2010 8:16:37 GMT -5
hi!!!i was just wondering how often is this show on? is it once a week? it doesnt seem to be on to often,i wish it was more. thanks!!!!
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Post by carld2 on Feb 15, 2010 13:33:36 GMT -5
The show comes on Tuesday night on Channel 4. The following episode airs the same night on E4. Then the next week, the E4 episode airs on Channel 4.
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Post by davedoty on Feb 15, 2010 14:59:08 GMT -5
If you're only watching through my clips, I sometimes don't clip an episode if there's not enough stuff with Ian or Mickey, so there aren't always weekly updates. But it does air every week for the duration.
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Post by shamelessfan on Feb 16, 2010 8:57:29 GMT -5
I like the Mickey character a lot. He's very original. On the other hand, I find Ian a little boring. Also, as a gay man, I find Ian's story lines are insulting and played out. Having run through the earlier clips, I hope Mickey finds love since it is clear that is what he wants. While Ian has no clue what he wants. Throughout the clips, the show keeps trying to put Mickey with Ian, but frankly, I think Ian is not worthy of the Mickey character.
Despite Mickey's simplicity, he seems to be the most self-aware character on the show about what he wants and the most giving to those he is emotionally loyal to. The Ian character is not emotionally on the same page with the ability to be in a romantic relationship with anyone, much less Mickey. Given the prior clips, I don't think Ian ever will be. Intentional or not, he seems to chose only relationships that are doomed to failure.
Finally, I think Mickey will come out fully when he finds someone. Right now, his emotional anchor is with his family, but the minute he finds someone with whom he can be emotionally connected to outside his family, then, I think all bets are off. I don't see Ian making any emotional leaps of faith.
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Post by davedoty on Feb 16, 2010 14:57:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree. Ian was the only one to have a long-term relationship, and also the only one of the two to have a really healthy relationship (with Sean. He certainly didn't know going in that Sean was his brother.)
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Post by carld2 on Feb 16, 2010 16:58:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Mickey will ever come out. I think the only way he ever might is if his father dies. Mickey desperately wants to prove himself to his father and part of that tends to involve being closeted. The family doesn't seriously expect Mickey to be with a woman but it's a delicate balance. He's not pressing the issue to them so they don't have a reason to press him. I think if he ever actually told them he is gay, then there will be some anger from Paddy and I don't think Mickey can take that. I'm not sure if he cares as much about his brothers finding out. Mimi would probably support him.
You can also say that Mickey is as prone to bad relationships as Ian, since he is in love with Ian, and I don't think Ian will ever feel the same way about him.
Ian often seems like a very sad and lonely character to me. Many of the characters on Shameless are sad and lonely, the question is how they choose to handle it. Some decide to be funny and put on a happy face. Others don't.
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Post by shamelessfan on Feb 16, 2010 17:54:27 GMT -5
Ian is alone, but he causes his loneliness. He seems like he always tries to sabotage his relationships by choosing impossible situations with someone else's husband or the girl he knew was on the run, etc. To me, the story in series 7 continues that tragic flaw. He will end up alone because he sabotages his relationships.
The only exception being Sean with whom he really did not have a long term relationship. And, even there, Ian had a creepy moment with his brother at the end where he seemed like he wanted to set up an impossible situation. That's how I saw Vash, and that's why I thought Lip was right ask him if he is crazy. Being in LTRs does not mean you are good at them.
On the other hand, Mickey has not been in one because one can argue that's because a) he's in the closet and b) he's been unlucky. His problem, however, can also be seen as he makes bad choices in his picks for men. A guy having threesomes with his wife, Ian, the black drag queen, etc. That being said- I do think Mickey, of the two, is the most capable of being in a relationship based on his relationships with others. Between Ian and Mickey, Mickey is oddly the most relationship oriented. He is oddly enough the caretaker searching for someone to take care of- or at least that's how it seemed in the clips. Yeah, he's played for comic relief, but he's also the guy that's there for everyone whether it is his father or his siblings. He's the one that reads them for screwing up their relationships and telling folks honestly when he thinks they should not be together (the abusive guy with her sister).
So, if he found the right character to be in a relationship with, I think Mickey would be okay. I don't think there is a right relationship for Ian. To me, he's going to end up alone no matter who he is with.
Again, this is based on the clips. The character came across as simple, funny and, yes, alone, but capable of having a relationship. Ironically, he puts himself in a situation where he prevents himself from doing so. That's his tragic/comic flaw. The most capable of having one, but the least likely to have one. That's how they seem to be playing him. I think he's the most interesting character on the show for those reasons. There is no manufactured angst like I sometime sense with Ian.
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Post by carld2 on Feb 16, 2010 20:10:30 GMT -5
I see what you're saying. I think that, from a storytelling point of view, that,
- it's not likely that Ian or Mickey will have happy longterm relationships with men, unless the show is ending or they're leaving, because I'm not sure if the show would have three or four gay men at the same time. I hope I'm wrong about that though. I think the closest we might get to a happy relationship for Mickey and Ian is if they are a couple, and that's something I'm not sure I'd believe.
- one of the reasons Mickey can be happy-go-lucky and not overly angsty is because Ian takes up the slack of the more brooding gay man.
I wish we could see Mickey have a chance at a relationship, but I can't help feeling like one of the reasons he is as able to be comic as he is has been down to the bubble he's in. If that bubble bursts, I think he would hit very low lows.
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Post by shamelessfan on Feb 16, 2010 21:06:08 GMT -5
I would think it would be hilarious to see Mickey being Mickey in a relationship. It is not like he will change just because he's dating someone.
Ian can go off to brood some place else as far as I am concern.
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Post by margie on Feb 16, 2010 21:13:01 GMT -5
I don't know if I would want to see Mickey in a serious relationship. I think it would take away some of the dynamic of the character. I would like to see Mickey be more independent of his family, and not such a lapdog whenever they need something. I would like to see Ian and Mickey as best mates with occasional benefits.
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Post by carld2 on Feb 16, 2010 21:22:36 GMT -5
I think a serious relationship would almost have to change Mickey. Mickey's an idealist, he's never had a reason for his illusions to be broken. I'd like to see Mickey find love someday but I think he will probably not be the same afterwards.
I agree I'd rather he and Ian just stay friends.
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Post by shamelessfan on Feb 16, 2010 21:50:42 GMT -5
Re: Mickey as an idealist
That's true. I return to that scene where he is saying who should and should not be together. It is all based on his ideals about love and relationships. Very idealized now that I think back on it. A relationship would indeed change him. But the danger I see with the show is that he can become stagnant if he never experiences it. I read somewhere that they are going to produce 22 episodes for series 8 rather than the 16 they have now for series 7. Unless they don't plan to use him more, he needs to go through more.
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Post by davedoty on Feb 17, 2010 9:49:17 GMT -5
Well, the normally loathsome Joe was the most likeable character in this depressing and joyless episode, and I think that's about all I have to say about it.
Usually seasons start off light and build up the darkness, while this one is starting off pretty damn dark. I hope that means the balance has shifted around, rather than meaning that we can expect it to get even darker and more depressing as the season wears on.
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