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Post by lolaruns on Apr 23, 2008 14:31:44 GMT -5
My conspiracy theory is sitll that they were lurking at your blog, saw how pathetic they were in comparison with the rest of the world and quicky decided to shoot kissing scenes and edit them in. That's my story and I'm sticking with it (j/k) Van Hansis Forums has a nice picture of it: forums.vanhansis.net/index.php?showtopic=8676&st=575
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Post by GayTime on Apr 23, 2008 14:38:17 GMT -5
My conspiracy theory is sitll that they were lurking at your blog, saw how pathetic they were in comparison with the rest of the world and quicky decided to shoot kissing scenes and edit them in. That's my story and I'm sticking with it (j/k) Van Hansis Forums has a nice picture of it: forums.vanhansis.net/index.php?showtopic=8676&st=575 i'm guessing it's more the hundreds and thousands of HERSHEY kisses, but i'll take your theory, too THX!
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Post by GayTime on Apr 23, 2008 14:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by g73t on Apr 23, 2008 14:53:15 GMT -5
unbelievable I gave up on them looooooooong time ago..... this is unexpected surprise ...... let's hope that it will not take another 200 days to see next kiss
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 23, 2008 14:55:34 GMT -5
I don't know how it is for you guys, but to me that makes the whole storyline immediately more bearable. Yeah, it still isn't rocket science. But what soap storyline really is?
What made the storyline so bothersome to a large extent that because of the no kissing ban it felt like Ameera was forcing Luke and Noah to put their lives on hold to way too large an extent. Now that they have broken the no intimacy spell the story works better as a cheesy "Evil villain threatens love couple" (with the evil mastermind probably being revealed during May Sweeps). It's not gonna win any awards for super smart storyline (and the repeated use of Noah's father as an obstacle is rather unoriginal; but hey, if it worked for Stefano...), but it can be seen as a fairly normal storyline.
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Post by amber80 on Apr 23, 2008 14:59:44 GMT -5
Wow, they actually have a shop set... And again: Yay for the kiss(es!)!
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Post by amber80 on Apr 23, 2008 15:05:16 GMT -5
Something I hadn't thought of before but: The kiss wasn't interrupted!! Can hardly believe it... ;D
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 23, 2008 15:06:35 GMT -5
I am so surprised that not only did I flail about on my LJ about the kiss (though eeeww on the screencapped spit string), but I texted friends who said "I am done with ATWT until they kiss again!". Well, I guess those friends are back now, eh??
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Post by amber80 on Apr 23, 2008 15:47:53 GMT -5
I don't know how it is for you guys, but to me that makes the whole storyline immediately more bearable. Yeah, it still isn't rocket science. But what soap storyline really is? What made the storyline so bothersome to a large extent that because of the no kissing ban it felt like Ameera was forcing Luke and Noah to put their lives on hold to way too large an extent. Now that they have broken the no intimacy spell the story works better as a cheesy "Evil villain threatens love couple" (with the evil mastermind probably being revealed during May Sweeps). It's not gonna win any awards for super smart storyline (and the repeated use of Noah's father as an obstacle is rather unoriginal; but hey, if it worked for Stefano...), but it can be seen as a fairly normal storyline. Yeah, on some level it's more bearable now. I mean: the story still isn't a work of art, but at least Nuke now feels like a real couple. It became more and more annoying that we somehow had to believe they were head over heels in love but none of the kissing that goes with that was there. Van and Jake really made the most of it (I think they did an awesome job with the crap they were given ) After the kisses and the sweettalk I even didn't mind Ameera trying to seduce Noah that much.
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Post by nanna on Apr 23, 2008 17:30:45 GMT -5
From a romantic viewpoint I find the kisses to be ok but nowhere near the amazing ones on VL. From a political viewpoint however I'm besides myself with joy. Because it shows that putting the pressure on does make a difference!
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Post by GayTime on Apr 23, 2008 17:42:01 GMT -5
From a romantic viewpoint I find the kisses to be ok but nowhere near the amazing ones on VL. From a political viewpoint however I'm besides myself with joy. Because it shows that putting the pressure on does make a difference! initially i was thinking the same thing, but the comparison really doesn't hold. i mean, we're talking about comparing a show that basically stopped short of showing penetration 8 years ago with tom & ulli to a show that showed the first gay daytime kiss in august 2007 :-) that said, i think we're far away from having that dreaful ameera storyline resolved, but today does show that the makers are definitely listening to the audience...
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 23, 2008 18:23:02 GMT -5
I can't compare the kisses since the way the relationships are handled on ATWT, VL and AWZ are like comparing apples & oranges. All are so different in how they're approached.
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Post by psionycx on Apr 23, 2008 20:57:52 GMT -5
From a romantic viewpoint I find the kisses to be ok but nowhere near the amazing ones on VL. From a political viewpoint however I'm besides myself with joy. Because it shows that putting the pressure on does make a difference! Well, my personal experience is that German men are better kissers than American ones. ;D Okay, so they didn't even come close to Ollian quality kissing. Nighttime shows in the U.S. don't come close to Ollian quality kissing. You have to watch a gay cable channel to see the kind of kissing Christian and Olli do here. I'm just amazed that they squeezed the kiss in at all. That said, I wanted to smack Ameera even more than usual today. " It's hard being away from home" she says! Okay, last time I checked, she fled "home" because she was impoverished, her family reviled her because she was a bastard child and the place was a war zone. Now she's getting nostalgic?! What, did the relatives that hate her used to celebrate her birthday by taking her down to the Euphrates marshlands and throwing her in the mud, which was the closest they ever got to family bonding? Oh, the happy memories... Noah's so gullible that, as with Ameera, I want to hit him. But in his case I'd use a closed fist instead of an open-handed slap. That level of stupidity deserves it. By the way, didn't she look great dressed up as a cheap call girl? Maybe she can make some money on the side? Luke seems to be finally waking up to the absurdity of the situation. Good! Because in his case the hitting was going to involve a baseball bat. A metal one. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 23, 2008 22:09:49 GMT -5
I'm mostly just glad that they looked believably happy. I never bought that when they were being all chase with each other. It just looked too contrieved.
That said holy boobage Ameera. Way to overdo it.
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Post by susurrus on Apr 24, 2008 0:39:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I checked the Gays of Daytime blog before I watched the clip and thus have known about the kiss beforehand. So I watched it with too high expectations and therefore the kiss seemed almost disappointing to me. But I don't want to complain, I'm very happy that they kissed at all! But I do wonder if I'd enjoyed it more had I been unspoiled. That said, my favorite part of the clip was right before they kissed, when Noah said "What about him?" and then he leaned in. To me that was the ultimate highlight of the episode because it shows how much Noah loves Luke if he's willing to risk getting cought by the ICE guy. He does realize that he'd get in trouble for that too, not just Ameera, right?
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 24, 2008 10:53:32 GMT -5
That said, my favorite part of the clip was right before they kissed, when Noah said "What about him?" and then he leaned in. To me that was the ultimate highlight of the episode because it shows how much Noah loves Luke if he's willing to risk getting cought by the ICE guy. He does realize that he'd get in trouble for that too, not just Ameera, right? That was very nice. I also really liked when Luke left and Noah totally stared after him as he walked away with that intense look. TIME TO BOOT AMEERA NOW.
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Post by nanna on Apr 24, 2008 12:16:04 GMT -5
initially i was thinking the same thing, but the comparison really doesn't hold. i mean, we're talking about comparing a show that basically stopped short of showing penetration 8 years ago with tom & ulli to a show that showed the first gay daytime kiss in august 2007 :-) that said, i think we're far away from having that dreaful ameera storyline resolved, but today does show that the makers are definitely listening to the audience... Sorry, if that came over the wrong way. I just meant from a purely personal view-point that I like the Ollian kisses better. I quite realize that for US daytime TV it's a big step forward. I'm very happy that all the conservative hard-liners didn't succeed and that we got the kiss we've been waiting for so long.
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Post by GayTime on Apr 24, 2008 12:38:41 GMT -5
initially i was thinking the same thing, but the comparison really doesn't hold. i mean, we're talking about comparing a show that basically stopped short of showing penetration 8 years ago with tom & ulli to a show that showed the first gay daytime kiss in august 2007 :-) that said, i think we're far away from having that dreaful ameera storyline resolved, but today does show that the makers are definitely listening to the audience... Sorry, if that came over the wrong way. I just meant from a purely personal view-point that I like the Ollian kisses better.
I quite realize that for US daytime TV it's a big step forward. I'm very happy that all the conservative hard-liners didn't succeed and that we got the kiss we've been waiting for so long. i think most of us (including me) will agree on that (the ollian kisses being the hottest *g*). but when i'm looking at ONLY american television, hey - it's better than 7 months of nothing :-)
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Post by ajmckay on Apr 24, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
Sorry, if that came over the wrong way. I just meant from a purely personal view-point that I like the Ollian kisses better.
I quite realize that for US daytime TV it's a big step forward. I'm very happy that all the conservative hard-liners didn't succeed and that we got the kiss we've been waiting for so long. i think most of us (including me) will agree on that (the ollian kisses being the hottest *g*). but when i'm looking at ONLY american television, hey - it's better than 7 months of nothing :-) Your average American viewer isn't going to be watching German soaps...or any other soaps than what is offered on their telly. It is better than seven months of nothing, because that's all they have to turn to is...nothing. The Nuke kiss is cause for celebration and to compare it out of context isn't fair.
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Post by psionycx on Apr 24, 2008 22:44:42 GMT -5
Your average American viewer isn't going to be watching German soaps...or any other soaps than what is offered on their telly. It is better than seven months of nothing, because that's all they have to turn to is...nothing. The Nuke kiss is cause for celebration and to compare it out of context isn't fair. This is why we need to wield the power of viral video on the Internet. If you are being victimized by bad quality television you don't just suck it up and accept it for what it is, you look elsewhere for entertainment. Why else do you think that this kiss happened? P&G was perfectly content with a chaste Nuke, but the uproar on the Internet has been growing steadily worse for months. Recent slips in ratings suggest that they lost the new viewers that the Nuke storyline got them last year. Heck, even I had pulled ATWT out of my TiVo To Do List and stopped bothering to watch the YouTube clips that were out there. P&G is trying to lure back lost Nuke fans, plus they're probably trying to ramp the storyline back up again because the approaching Summer will see more younger viewers in the daytime market again. Spreading the word about related content being produced overseas helps drive up the quality of product here. A lot of American TV and movie product is rooted in work that's been done overseas first. So it's not actually true that just because it's not on U.S. stations doesn't mean it can't have influence, especially in this age when people can hunt for entertainment online rather than passively waiting for it to be broadcast to their TV's.
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Post by ajmckay on Apr 24, 2008 23:37:02 GMT -5
This is why we need to wield the power of viral video on the Internet. If you are being victimized by bad quality television you don't just suck it up and accept it for what it is, you look elsewhere for entertainment. I agree with you whole-heartedly, but there's a large group of people who even when told what is on the Internet aren't going to go searching. If they can't get it on their tv that's it. I know so many people who would love the Nuke storyline if it was told better, but they aren't going to go online to search elsewhere. It's just not a habit that everyone will form...online television program watching. Especially where one has to work on translation and getting the clips for the episode. Plus catching up with backstory. That being said there is a lot of people that will watch online, that will voice their consent with comparisions to what is shown elsewhere and that is good. That's why the Nuke kiss two days ago is something that I celebrate for what it means. The Ameera storyline is horrid and so is much of the politics behind the fact that it's been over half a year for this type of intimate connection, but the kiss opened up and I did notice a small peck between Noah and Luke on Wednesday's episode, which is heading in the right direction-something that didn't seem possible even a week ago. I'm withholding final judgement, but maybe P&G can surprise us.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 29, 2008 23:07:39 GMT -5
Now that I have watched today's episode, I actually feel hostile toward Luke and Noah, not just Ameera.
THERE IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH STUPID GOING ON IN THIS STORYLINE.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 30, 2008 0:54:22 GMT -5
Luke was a total diva in this episode, giving Noah a taste and then storming off. Which is totally his right, but he should just admit that he wants to break the whole thing up.
Also, Luke needs to seriously go back to the hair he had last summer. The new hair makes him look so much older. On the other hand, Luke and Holden look perfectly like father and son now (lookwise).
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 30, 2008 1:33:17 GMT -5
I can't even talk about Luke's hair. I like the cut and that it's less greasy looking that it's been the last few weeks but I am not feeling the color.
I am still so angry about Tuesday's episode. I was yelling at my TV in English, French, German and Hebrew. Luke pissed me off more than anyone, not just because of the diva antics but because HE G A V E NOAH THE OK TO MARRY AMEERA WHEN THEY HAD ONLY KNOWN HER FOR 2 WEEKS AND NOW HE CAN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND HOW COMPLETELY STUPID IT WAS TO DO THAT NOT TO MENTION SHE IS TRYING TO STEAL HIS BOYFRIEND YET KEEPS ASKING HER IF SHE IS OK WITH EVERYTHING.
IT MAKES ME BREAK OUT IN TO CAPS LOCK OF RAGE.
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Post by lolaruns on May 8, 2008 7:09:36 GMT -5
I have to say, after finding out about Ollian and DeRo I have become a lot more zen about Nuke. They all have their strenghts and their weaknesses. Yes, the lack of kissing is very deplorable. But I really do think that they'll eventually ease into that, particularly during summer.
And while their storyline sucks, it's not like Ollian or DeRo are somehow immune to crappy storytelling. I like that Nuke is the most established couples, compared to the other two, they have been together for quite a while and have lived through quite a lot of things. Their constant cheesy declarations of love are probably mostly used as a way to replace the kissing, but aside from their role as that they are actually quite cute in that. It's cheesy, but its sweet.
Personally, I have a really hard time that they will split up Nuke. I think their worst case scenario would be for them to disappear into the background.
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