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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 29, 2009 7:58:54 GMT -5
The only thing is worrying me is that Veronica will want (for sure) to send Santi to the USA and, at the same time, don't be judged by the society because of his sexuality... It would be a sort of hiding method!! But I hope I'm wrong... No, she won't. I REFUSE to accept it. Even the thought of that makes me really sad
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Post by rp662 on Sept 29, 2009 13:02:26 GMT -5
I also don't think Veronica will send Santi away.
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 29, 2009 13:46:49 GMT -5
I also don't think Veronica will send Santi away. Actually, first of all.. It actually made me happy that she hooked up with Gabriel, cause that means she's in denial and trying to get her mind off of it. So that makes it less likely that she will send him away. Also, his dad took the news well, he will refuse to send Santi away for the wrong reasons to "go under hiding". Besides, the doctors said he MIGHT get the feeling back in his legs again. This is a soap after all, so you never know.. But yeah, I'll refuse to accept she'll send him away, at least until it becomes a reality.
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Post by lybbie on Sept 29, 2009 14:13:32 GMT -5
So Veronica is afraid of the scandal because her son his gay but having a affair with the gardener is not a problem. Of course, it make a lot of sense...
I thought it was funny that Santi repeated that he was gay three time in a row with different words so she would understand that he knew what he was saying. He looks totally confident doing it, which is surprising considering how horrible he taught it was before the accident. But I'm glad they didn't continue with it, it would have been boring fast. I know it's not really logical, but I think they takes shortcut so they don't have to lose time on it. Roberto's reaction was exactly the one I have expected. He didn't seems trilled with it but didn't really mind either. I don't think he cares who is son sleep with. I'm not surprise that Veronica didn't made a scene. Everyone in the hospital would have known that her son was gay. Running in Gabriel's harm is not the best idea either, but she didn't seems to be able to thing straight.
I don't think they will send Santi away, it make better drama to keep him their with his morn freaking out. And I'm pretty sure he will walk again too, since it's a soap, but I would mind keeping him paralyzed if it's the way he takes it. I was afraid they would go over dramatic, but I like the dark sens of humor he have since he woke up. I like that Santi so much more than the other one. I think he could give the other guy at school a run for their money.
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 29, 2009 14:26:28 GMT -5
So Veronica is afraid of the scandal because her son his gay but having a affair with the gardener is not a problem. Of course, it make a lot of sense... I know. She is so hypocritical. Unfortunately, that's how many christians behave. They pick what part of the bible to believe in. Apparently being unfaithful is not a big deal, but having a son being gay, oh no! I thought so too. Santi repeting it three times was pretty darn awesome! I don't understand much Spanish, but that I actually understand. Well, I understand a lot more Colombian Spanish than Spain Spanish. The Spanish they talk in Spain goes too fast for me. lol. Yeah, she didn't make a scene, cause she's too worried about her appearance. She decided to deny the fact that her son was gay and instead do what she always do when she's upset: sleep with the gardener. Classy! Will be fun to see how Isabella reacts when she finds out. Haha. It will make for excellent drama, and I can't wait until she finds out. I'm glad you don't think they'll send him away. I don't think so either, or I refuse to accept it. The thought just scares me, and it's ugh, no SanDiego for months.. AWFUL! I also agree that it would make for more drama with his mother, and we would get more scenes between Santiago and Diego too! and also, I think the show has gotten a hell of a lot better too, after he woke up from the coma, which is weird. Maybe because it's all out in the open now, and he smiles and seems happier. I am REALLY enjoying the SanDiego scenes we have seen thus far too. They have been short, but oh so sweet. They have so much chemistry going on it's insane. They seem so comfortable with each other, and just adorably cute. The only thing lacking is confessing that they love each other and another kiss
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Post by lybbie on Sept 29, 2009 14:46:26 GMT -5
I don't think it a Christian's thing, not in her case. Being catholic myself, ok maybe not a really good one, I'm a offended when people use religion to reject homosexuality. In Veronica's case, I think it has more to do with the way the society sees homosexual than the fact that it's moral or not. They never really got in religion in the show, so it's difficult to know if it's important to them. I'm don't know enough about Colombia to see if it's an important thing or not. I only hear about politics and drugs when it comes to Colombia, and it's never good.
I understand way more of Colombian Spanish too. There must be something different, probably in accent or just the vocabulary the use.
Diego and Santi have more chemistry than any other couple in the show, specially when they are not to serious about it. I want to see them flirting in every episode, it would be better than most of what they already present.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 29, 2009 15:18:49 GMT -5
I'm really glad they don't go the amnesia route. And Santi's mother is such a drama queen
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Post by rp662 on Sept 29, 2009 20:16:27 GMT -5
Re-cap of today's episode: No Santi today! I guess the writers have decided to take the Santi and Diego relationship slow, which i don't really like. And it's going to be an agony having to wait till Thursday.
Fisrt segment of the soap: Veronica ( Santi's mom) went to Diego's house to confront him. She told him that Santi is not gay and that Diego is corrupting him and that he is going to regret being involved with Santi. Can't wait to find out how everything is going to turn out.
Second Segment: Veronica, Diego and, his mom continued with their argument. Veronica said that being gay is not normal. She also told Diego's mom that how is it possible for she to support Diego on "turning gay" Santi which is immoral. A few more insults and she left, furious of course.
Third Segment: No Diego or Santi. Only Veronica going out with Grabriel (the male equivalent of a hoe).
Fourth Segment: No Diego or Santi again. Veronica arrived with Gabriel at his apartment. She showed him the scars left by the operation she had. They also shared a very explicit scene that did not last long.
Fifth Segment: No Santi today. More Veronica scenes that nobody cares for.
The soap is not going to be airing tomorrow due to a soccer game: FIFA World Cup Qualification, Mexico vs. Colombia, of course Mexico is going to win!!
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Post by jazz73 on Sept 29, 2009 22:46:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I completely lost any sympathy I had for Veronica. Really don't care what happens to her now. Loved that Aura and Diego didn't take her crap. But really wanted Aura to physically throw her out. Isn't it nice how she took time out of her busy schedule of adultery to spew her homophobic rant. Ugh.
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Post by yvan on Sept 30, 2009 3:17:02 GMT -5
yes, Veronica was disgusting in this episode... I mean, before she was stupid, we knew that, but at least we were able to laugh at her xDD Well, I loved when Aura said "I prefer being anormal (like Veronica said Diego and Aura were) if that means not being like you!!" haha not too much today, but as I said yesterday... some days (few times) the storyline goes very quickly and then it stops again and go slower... in fact, today's ENTIRE episode was just a night (and not finished yet!!) I hope there will be more interesting scenes on thursday BTW: What was Laura doing? Well I didn't watch it very well, but... mmmm she first told Isabella and Juliana she is not lesbian... and at the end she left them for going with Anais??
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Post by rp662 on Sept 30, 2009 13:51:51 GMT -5
I think that she is, but she does not want to admit it. Something will probably go on with Laura and Anais. Okay, what i don't get, wasn't Anais interested in Santi and know she is a Lesbian, more like Bi to me. I don't know, i don't pay much attention to other people on the soap.
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 30, 2009 15:12:43 GMT -5
I think that she is, but she does not want to admit it. Something will probably go on with Laura and Anais. Okay, what i don't get, wasn't Anais interested in Santi and know she is a Lesbian, more like Bi to me. I don't know, i don't pay much attention to other people on the soap. Yeah, Anais was interested in Santi. They slept together. There has been no hints pointing to Anais being a lesbian, not even bi. The writers are seriously awful. All of a sudden she likes girls!
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Post by rp662 on Oct 1, 2009 20:26:13 GMT -5
Re-cap of today's episode: No Santi today.
Diego and his mom arrive at school. His mom tells him if he is worried. He says that he would not like to see Veronica, then his mom tells him that if Veronica or anyone else has a problem with him, then she and Diego will stand up to them. Diego talks to Roberto (Santi's dad). Diego tells him that he knows that he and Veronica would not like for Diego to see Santi ever again, yet Roberto says that he does not think the same as Veronica and tells him that he approves of Santi's and Diego's relationship and that what he cares for the most is that Santi has a motive (Diego) to live for. Diego is thankful to Roberto. Roberto and Diego's mom (whose name i forgot) have a talk. They talk about the confrontation that Diego and his mom had with Veronica. Roberto offers her an apology and says that he supports both Diego and Santi. Diego's mom is pleased that he supports them. Not much more today.
So does this mean that Santi and Diego are officially dating or what? Can someone explain.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 2, 2009 0:59:33 GMT -5
Re-cap of today's episode: No Santi today. Diego and his mom arrive at school. His mom tells him if he is worried. He says that he would not like to see Veronica, then his mom tells him that if Veronica or anyone else has a problem with him, then she and Diego will stand up to them. Diego talks to Roberto (Santi's dad). Diego tells him that he knows that he and Veronica would not like for Diego to see Santi ever again, yet Roberto says that he does not think the same as Veronica and tells him that he approves of Santi's and Diego's relationship and that what he cares for the most is that Santi has a motive (Diego) to live for. Diego is thankful to Roberto. Roberto and Diego's mom (whose name i forgot) have a talk. They talk about the confrontation that Diego and his mom had with Veronica. Roberto offers her an apology and says that he supports both Diego and Santi. Diego's mom is pleased that he supports them. Not much more today. So does this mean that Santi and Diego are officially dating or what? Can someone explain. Wow, that sounds good! I'm glad Roberto is so supportive, but I would expect nothing less from him. He's always been the better parent, though that wouldn't take much effort since this is Veronica we're talking about! lol. But yeah, I'm glad he supports their relationship, which I guess is a relationship now.. It's hard to tell, cause we don't see much PDA between them, hell, they hardly have any scenes together!
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Post by lybbie on Oct 2, 2009 14:25:48 GMT -5
It's nice to see that they went with a supportive father for once, it balance the hysterical mom. Most of the time one of the parent react really bad and the other try to understand, but this time it seem like he really does. It's a good thing that they show that some parents are supportive and don't consider their children any differently because they are gay. Good point to the show for that.
Santi's mom reason for not wanting her son to be gay are the one he was using in is talk with Alejandra. I think that Santi was never ashamed of being gay, he was struggling with the fact that he was not the son his mom wants. Not being up to your parent standard is really hard. I think he realized that his mom was the problem, not him.
The show continue to take shortcut. We never saw when Veronica learned that Diego was gay and somehow involved with her son, and now they are suppose to be dating without any scene about it. I understand that the hospital is not the best place to show cuddling, but I hope we will have affection scene in the future.
Since they don't seem to be planing to send Santi in the states for treatment, can I suggest that they send Veronica in a clinic to receive appropriate treatment. It will probably be better for everyone. This women is a danger for herself and everyone involve with her.
On a totally other subject, did Juan plan all the changing grades to frame David or he just took the opportunity? They should have expect the teacher to find out about the changes.
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Post by rp662 on Oct 2, 2009 23:25:46 GMT -5
Re-cap of today's episode.
I missed the first airing of the soap and then I missed the first twenty minutes of the repetition, so i don't know if Diego or Santi were on. No Diego on the rest of the episode.
Santi and Veronica had a confrontation. She tells him that he cannot be gay and does not accept his homosexuality. Yet Santi tells her that he does not care if she accepts him or not and that she better get used to it, because its who he is. I know this doesn't have anything to do with Santi or Diego, but it's important. Laura and Anais shared a quick sex scene on a bathtub, both were using drugs i don't know if that influenced their behavior. Yet the problem is, is that the kissing and touching they had was blurred out somewhat. Maybe the writers don't want to have a lot of criticism, i don't know, just my opinion. Anyway, this is HUGE. We know have hope that Santi and Diego will also share good intimate scenes. I just hope that it is soon. Yep as i thought. The scene with Laura and Anais continued on. It seems that the drugs did make Anais vulnerable to Laura. Laura does not seem to have problems with being a lesbian; Anais on the other hand, does seems to have doubts and she looked like she regretted having sex with Laura.
Thanks jnn111 for the re-cap of the first twenty minutes!
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Post by jnn111 on Oct 2, 2009 23:50:28 GMT -5
The only thing that happened within the first 20 minutes was that Veronica was talking to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist says that Santi will need a lot of physical and psychological help. Veronica says that the psychological help is to help her son not be gay. They psychiatrist tries to explain to Veronica that homosexuality is not a sickness. Veronica won't hear it and continues to ask. Veronica goes into her drama mode and the psychiatrist kicks her out of her off. Veronica swears that she will destroy the psychiatrist or something like that.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 3, 2009 2:48:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, rp662 and jnn111.
I hate Veronica SO MUCH! I couldn't care less if she dropped dead right now. Thank god she is the only one thinking being gay is a disease, and that it can be cured. She can't get anyone else to think the same, Roberto failed, the psychiatrist failed.. Soon she just has to realise that she can't do anything about it. It's just who he is.. I don't get why Santi didn't talk back to her though, I would have said something like "what makes you so good? You sleep with the gardener, since when was being unfaithful not wrong? who are you to judge others?" Something like that..
And about Anais and Laura.. Hmm, it was blurred out? Makes me think we won't get much PDA between SanDiego. Or, perhaps some PDA, but not a sex scene for sure.. Though I don't care about that, I just want them to show SOME affection towards each other and start kissing! lol. I don't need a sex scene.
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Post by Duskysoda on Oct 3, 2009 12:47:56 GMT -5
I caught the episode on Telemundo Friday night here in Palm Springs and thought the confrontation scene between Santi and his Mother , Veronica also included Santiago telling the witch to "Get Out!",,, "Get Out!" of his hospital room after she told him she wouldn't accept his being gay. Am I right?
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 3, 2009 13:46:48 GMT -5
I caught the episode on Telemundo Friday night here in Palm Springs and thought the confrontation scene between Santi and his Mother , Veronica also included Santiago telling the witch to "Get Out!",,, "Get Out!" of his hospital room after she told him she wouldn't accept his being gay. Am I right? I have no idea, but I really hope he did! She's a witch, and it's about time someone talked back and didn't accept her s*** anymore.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 5, 2009 10:15:50 GMT -5
I hate this country It's so conservative! I just want to get the hell out of here!!!!! A channel got complaints because they showed a gay farmer in the search for love (it's a show for farmers.. in the search for love). This time they had a gay farmer on for the first time, and they recieved a lot of complaints. We might have gay marriage, but trust me, this is still a conservative country, and I want to get away. It's awful. I hate it here
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Post by Ailyne on Oct 5, 2009 12:41:53 GMT -5
I hate this country It's so conservative! I just want to get the hell out of here!!!!! A channel got complaints because they showed a gay farmer in the search for love (it's a show for farmers.. in the search for love). This time they had a gay farmer on for the first time, and they recieved a lot of complaints. We might have gay marriage, but trust me, this is still a conservative country, and I want to get away. It's awful. I hate it here Oh i know how you feel...i lived in Mexico and even though there are many supporters of gay rights...its pretty tough...the gay population has a very hard time there...when i moved back to the United States i figured it would be so much more evolved and it was A LOT better but...it still has miles to go..i mean my state doesnt even have gay marriage...and i live in Texas..one of the most conservative states in the US...it makes me very angry sometimes...it'll get better...soon i hope <3
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Post by rp662 on Oct 5, 2009 20:10:19 GMT -5
Re-cap of today's episode: No Diego. Just a quick scene with Santi but he had no dialogue.
Just Santi's dad talking to the maid and telling her that he can't take it anymore with all of his problems; a mentally ill wife and a disabled son. While watching Santi sleep, Veronica takes a sip of an alcoholic drink in order to suppress her depression. She later has a breakdown asking a nurse that she wants an operation to fix her scars. Roberto arrives at the hospital and is informed of Veronica's breakdown and is advised that he should find her a psychologist for help.
I would like for Santi to get out of the hospital as he has been there for the last two or so weeks. And i also want a scene between Santi and Diego talking about a relationship or something, basically, i just want Santi out of the hospital, i'm getting tired of it.
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Post by doumeki on Oct 5, 2009 20:52:04 GMT -5
I caught the episode on Telemundo Friday night here in Palm Springs and thought the confrontation scene between Santi and his Mother , Veronica also included Santiago telling the witch to "Get Out!",,, "Get Out!" of his hospital room after she told him she wouldn't accept his being gay. Am I right? I have no idea, but I really hope he did! She's a witch, and it's about time someone talked back and didn't accept her s*** anymore. Yes, he told her: Get Out! Get out Now... Let me rest... Out! There are not subs for that chapter? This is an overview for those who did not understand what happens in that chapter. Santiago's mother went to see a psychologist to try to find a cure for Santiago but the doctor told her that he wasn't sick, that the homosexuality is wasn't a sickness and she wouldn't listen to her, so the doctor told her that who needs help it was her. She got mad and left the room. She went to see Santiago's and told him what she wanted to do (try to finding a way to fix him. He tried once again to make her understand the truth but she would not wanted to listen (AGAIN). Santiago lost the patience and He told her that he was tired to trying to make her understand and he wanted to she leave him alone.
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Post by Ailyne on Oct 5, 2009 23:37:35 GMT -5
i really do like how in this story the roles are switched....its usually the father who cant accept a childs homosexuality...and the mother is usually there supporting or at least trying to deal with it.... here we see Santi's dad being very supportive and sweet...i love it <3
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