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Post by tubedout on Sept 7, 2009 13:02:16 GMT -5
This is how I remember it: Nina had said she wouldn't have liked to move in with two straight guys so Fonsi pretended to be gay and in a relationship with Alberto although in reality he was interested in her from the moment she stepped in. Some time later she told Fonsi that she's not stupid, that she knew he wasn't gay. Fonsi and Alberto kept on sleeping in the same bed so that Nina could have a room for herself and her baby, Nico. In the scene you're talking about, tubedout, the unusual thing was IMHO not that they slept in the same bed but that Alberto cuddled up to Fonsi again, thinking they had made up for good after Fonsi's revelation during dinner (and of course he believed that Fonsi reciprocated his love, or else he wouldn't have kissed him the following day). Alberto did this before (in episode 3) and Fonsi pushed him away, asking "What are you doing? Why are you hugging me?" I actually uploaded that clip weeks ago (go back several pages in this thread), but it's not translated yet: www.teradepot.com/p0b9bhpdkx29/ugds103_fonsialberto-bed.avi.htmlFonsi wanted Nina to move in with them and I guess he thought she would feel more comfortable to do so if she thought they were both gay (that's my theory, I do not speak Spanish). I think there are only two bedrooms in the flat. So Fonsi and Alberto acted like an old married couple. First they have a fight and then they go to bed to not have sex together ;D Thank you both! That really clears up a lot for me. Including why Alberto behaved like he did in the bedroom. Having now watched the latest clip, I have a new question (lol) - Nina needs to marry Alberto to stay in the country. But he alludes to Fonsi having turned Nina down. So is Fonsi no longer interested in Nina, or was he just not willing to have a fake marriage with her, despite his attraction? Likewise, and this may be open to interpretation, but are we to take his anger at Alberto to be because he (Fonsi) likes Nina, and now Alberto is marrying her? Also, I have upped the next part (the scene from Episode 35) to YouTube. Here it is: YouTube Link
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Post by Nadia90 on Sept 7, 2009 13:06:23 GMT -5
WTF!!!! i gonna see it lol
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 7, 2009 13:13:05 GMT -5
Today's episode, Episode 56 already linked on Page One, sees Fonsi and Alberto announcing to Victor that they are together. Victor explodes and says something like "Fucking Maricons everywhere, it's an epidemic" Then Alrberto kisses Fonsi on the lips and Victor stomps off in disgust. Thanks for explaining that to me. Well, seems like I wasn't that far off. I knew Victor reacted to them being a couple! lol
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Post by tubedout on Sept 7, 2009 13:16:12 GMT -5
Here's the Episode 37 clip on YouTube. Thanks again to nadia and hach!!! YouTube Link
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 7, 2009 13:37:26 GMT -5
thanks so much tubedout! I'll watch them now
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Post by Nadia90 on Sept 7, 2009 14:01:27 GMT -5
Ah ... watching the tomorrow promo, I'm not very quiet .
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Post by maya on Sept 7, 2009 14:26:21 GMT -5
What are you worried about? I saw the promo as well and it's seems fine to me....
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 7, 2009 14:40:37 GMT -5
Well, i find hilarious that they ask Lourdes to fake being Alberto's fake wife, and her answer is very funny
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Post by hach on Sept 7, 2009 14:54:29 GMT -5
I just watched your subtitled clips, tubedout, and they turned out really great! Thanks! Having now watched the latest clip, I have a new question (lol) - Nina needs to marry Alberto to stay in the country. But he alludes to Fonsi having turned Nina down. So is Fonsi no longer interested in Nina, or was he just not willing to have a fake marriage with her, despite his attraction? The latter. He said he is very young and that with a marriage comes too great a responsability. Not to mention the surprise visits by the authorities, having to live together for two years before Nina could get her permanent permit etc. In any case Fonsi didn't turn down the fake marriage because of Tamara; at that time they had already broken up if ever they were a real "couple". Likewise, and this may be open to interpretation, but are we to take his anger at Alberto to be because he (Fonsi) likes Nina, and now Alberto is marrying her? That and maybe in his subconscious he was already jealous of Nina at the same time? As you say, that is open to interpretation. Today's Fonsi/Alberto talk in the kitchen was forseeable. Alberto told him he loved him and Fonsi couldn't get the same words over his lips (hello, Noah).
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Post by ivaniv on Sept 7, 2009 15:23:53 GMT -5
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Post by devillies on Sept 7, 2009 18:53:06 GMT -5
i totally agree UGDS & NPRR should get thier own sections, and thnx Ivan for caps ;D
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 8, 2009 0:29:47 GMT -5
Yes, I agree too. NRPP and UGDS should get their own sections! I think that the Spanish soaps do get too little attention, and I can't but not find it odd that the German soap GZSZ got it's own section after a few days, but this soap has been going strong over the last few weeks, and it has lasted for months. It still wasn't given it's own section. I remember it took forever for FoQ to get on the main shows page too. It's obvious the mods are favorizing the German soaps. But I think these Spanish soaps deserve the recognition too!
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Post by ivaniv on Sept 8, 2009 2:43:50 GMT -5
This site exists only because of need to have a place to talk about Verbotene Liebe. It started on another soap actor fan site in off topic section and things got out of hand when people were coming only to talk about off topic ;D AWZ section was added and also a few American and British ones. But this forum will always have a soft spot for German soaps because of experiences made. The problem with UGDS always was with availability on YT and understanding it. Without it there's not a chance to make it to mainstream on this forum. And frankly a gay storyline really only started a few days ago. UGDS interrupted the story with Victor's father and sent him off-screen for almost 40 episodes and Alberto was just there helping people. Which is nice for him as a character, but not exactly a kind of story one expects.
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Post by jnn111 on Sept 8, 2009 3:11:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the caps and explanation Ivan, but it sounds like TGoDT is only for German soaps and the rest of the soaps are just a second thought. *shrugs shoulder* Oh well, I'll still visit this message board...
Thanks Mei d'Oc for letting me know of the latest development in this story line. I always wanted Alberto and Fonsi to get together since day one. ;D
P.S. I am a big follower of GZSZ ;D , so I can still visit this message board. ;D
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Post by jnn111 on Sept 8, 2009 4:03:24 GMT -5
aaaaaa....Alberto and Fonsi together... HEAVEN!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 8, 2009 8:33:44 GMT -5
This site exists only because of need to have a place to talk about Verbotene Liebe. It started on another soap actor fan site in off topic section and things got out of hand when people were coming only to talk about off topic ;D AWZ section was added and also a few American and British ones. But this forum will always have a soft spot for German soaps because of experiences made. The problem with UGDS always was with availability on YT and understanding it. Without it there's not a chance to make it to mainstream on this forum. And frankly a gay storyline really only started a few days ago. UGDS interrupted the story with Victor's father and sent him off-screen for almost 40 episodes and Alberto was just there helping people. Which is nice for him as a character, but not exactly a kind of story one expects. Thanks for explaining it to me. I still think there's more room for other soaps too though. I understand they started out with the German soaps, and they are the more popular ones. But there's so many good soaps from all over the world, and I think they should prioritize those too. Not every soap of course, but the ones that are most popular, and right now that means UGDS and NRPP. I mean, isn't 20+ pages and 10 000+ views enough? Btw, thanks for the screen caps! They are much appreciated I second this, I don't like it either.. I agree! Thanks Mei d'Oc for letting us know about the development. I am looking forward to a new episode every day. Too bad it's over soon Oh well, at least we can enjoy the episodes that are left, right?
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Post by Nadia90 on Sept 8, 2009 8:41:26 GMT -5
Oh, someone says UGDS definitively end's this Friday. Well, I'm ready to see today chapter yay!.
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Post by ivaniv on Sept 8, 2009 9:34:07 GMT -5
There's a lot of German speaking people on this forum who are willing to make quick translations and/or subtitles, that really helps. Here we often struggled to even know what is going on. And also UGDS only got the best now when it's ending.
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 8, 2009 10:11:04 GMT -5
There's a lot of German speaking people on this forum who are willing to make quick translations and/or subtitles, that really helps. Here we often struggled to even know what is going on. And also UGDS only got the best now when it's ending. True. But NRPP still has some 80-90 episodes left, that is if it doesn't get renewed. I hope it does, of course. and I think it deserves it's own section! I know, their player is awful if you have a slow connection. I'll definitely watch tonoight though, and I hope someone will upload the news Alberto and Fonsi scenes, so you can watch them too PS, is someone willing to help me with translations to the El Sabe storyline? Would appreciate it someone could do the translations if I upload the storyline.
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Post by Nadia90 on Sept 8, 2009 10:12:05 GMT -5
Tomorrow es.tinypic.com/r/2h801kx/3es.tinypic.com/r/30dgdo1/3The mother of...erm,i don't know xD ask Fonsi if he dosn't like her anymore,he say,yes!...i mean,NO! (LOL) and well........their kiss,and who open the door......? Alberto's mother (i think),who think his son is married to Nina. I can help if you want .
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 8, 2009 10:33:34 GMT -5
Tomorrow es.tinypic.com/r/2h801kx/3es.tinypic.com/r/30dgdo1/3The mother of...erm,i don't know xD ask Fonsi if he dosn't like her anymore,he say,yes!...i mean,NO! (LOL) and well........their kiss,and who open the door......? Alberto's mother (i think),who think his son is married to Nina. I can help if you want . Yay! Thanks so much The thing is though that that soap is already 70+ episodes in, and I have no idea where the gay storyline starts. I watched where he tried to get with Nina, and failed miserably. lol.. It will take me some time to search through all the episodes for the gay s/l, but I will try Anyways, I guess people get pissed if we talk off topic here.. I'll post the video I uploaded on sunday in the Mas Sabe thread So you could maybe post the translation there? Would be much appreciated
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 8, 2009 10:42:38 GMT -5
Thank you for the snapshots Ivan, they are terrific, yet this UGDS and NPRR section are turning into one almighty mess due to the racist attitude towards Spanish soaps. These are gay soaps, they have now both 10,000 hits in 2 months and we're ignored and have to resort to deleting posts in order that new comers can follow the main storyline and episodes. I can't understand especially on UGDS, after the latest renewed interest how we are still being ignored. So many have volunteered translations but soon fall away because they get lost for lack of space. There are some programs with hardy any interest, that have long finished, but have their own prize protected section A very disgusted guy Instead of caling the mods racist, have you or others agreeing to malign the mods ever bothered to ask a mod to possibly put this soap or any other Spanish soap besides El Cor and FoQ on the main page? Likely, I don't think the mods watch this show and aren't as aware of it as we are other soaps. I don't have a problem with someone asking us to draw attention to a soap gaining popularity, especially cause the mods don't watch all the shows people post about on here, but I have a HUGE problem with being called racist. You want something? Then open your mouth and ask. In this circumstance, Gaytime is the one who adds and subtracts from the front page. But whatever is the case, don't just go around labelling people things when you don't know them and assume the circumstances of why things aren't how you want them. Seriously, WTF? Is calling us racists supposed to shame us now to pay extra attention to the Spanish soaps? Pretty much, plus the original TGODT blog was actually not about gay soaps in general but a DeRo blog specifically that Gaytime set up.
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Post by GayTime on Sept 8, 2009 10:57:40 GMT -5
What Bonobochick said. Bumps to the front page of the message board and specifically on the blog require - besides consistent availability through YouTube etc. - your input. We monitor, because of our geographic locations or native languages, shows on American, British, German and Dutch TV easily. Even though I don't understand every word, I'm personally a fan of FoQ, that's why it not only was bumped up on the main blog pretty early when Fer's storyline REALLY took off, it was also declared 'best new show of 2008' at our end of year review ;-).
For other shows, the input needs to come from you, but from what I gather now it might be a little too late?
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 8, 2009 11:15:48 GMT -5
At the risk of being banned myself, I just want to say Mei d'Oc You are completely out of order and I think you should apologize to the mods and to Gaytime and Bonobochick because they and the other mods do a fabulous job of helping us provide access to and discussion space for gay storylines form all over the world.
I'm not saying this in private because It think we should have a community ethic about how we talk about others and that includes the Mods.
Had I known this was what you were going on about when you Personal Messaged me, I would have spoken up sooner.
This is not about Race or a preference for Non-Spanish speaking shows in general.
Everyone loves FoQ and the viewing of it and support of it for most folks happened once dmoushe then jgreens2 (and their helpers) set up channels with subs that were consistent and accurate and easy to access. That's how it works.
As I said to you when you asked my opinion, it's all about presentation and access. You have to pay to fix up your house before you can sell it.
A show has to be made accessible and easy to watch in order for folks to jump on board to watch it and get enthusiastic about it.
Bonobochick and Gaytime can't be everywhere all the time and it is up to each of us to do our best to make the shows we really like accessible to others that means clips that are universally easy to get to (to the best of our abilities) and translations for people who don't speak the language of the show in question.
UGDS seems like a good show and I've only recently begun to watch precisely because there was some translations AND because the "Gay" part of the storyline picked up which is what I'm most interested in.
If the folks working on UGDS (and I believe there is already a team of people getting translations and subs up and running YAY Hach, Ivan and company, etc ) get it ready, people will come watch, then the case can be made for posting it on the front page.
It's not that deep. If you build it, they will come! This all makes me really sad.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 8, 2009 11:44:28 GMT -5
Yes, I agree too. NRPP and UGDS should get their own sections! I think that the Spanish soaps do get too little attention, and I can't but not find it odd that the German soap GZSZ got it's own section after a few days, but this soap has been going strong over the last few weeks, and it has lasted for months. This is a perfect example. When Alex20 introduced GZSZ, he had already edited the clips and provided detailed transcripts of all of Lenny and Carsten's scenes with subtitles shortly thereafter. Anyone who wanted to could just read the transcript line by line and follow along with the clip. THATS what made the show so immediately popular. The same is true for Fisica o Quimica and El Cor and Goede Tijden Slechte Tijden (Mark started it with subbed clips on Youtube). I think you all see where I'm coming from. Up until recently (like the last week really) UGDS was not accessible in the same way and I never watched it because as much as I appreciate "recaps", I find it impossible to engage with characters if I don't literally know what they are saying and I think many others feel the same. Yes it's a lot of work and maybe it would be nice if folks were willing to struggle through recaps and such (and I know they are a lot of work so I'm not disrespecting the folks who do recaps) but most folks just don't have the patience. Instead of hating on other shows/threads that are getting attentio, why not duplicate what they've done, do it well and the you'd have a fair argument. There is no reason to be all resentful and suspicious about it.
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