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Post by derochannel on Sept 2, 2009 9:09:22 GMT -5
Part 2 with subtitles: www.dailymotion.com/user/Isakja/video/xacvqz_lc-subtitles-part-2_shortfilmsIt's again in very bad quality and again i had to add some translations. If it's too bad, let me know and i will change it. Next part will come in the evening or tomorrow morning (Germany time). Ok, guys, I think it's about time to maybe add an GZSZ category to the nl-fiction.com fanfiction archive. The thing is, we usually do character lists so people can select what characters or couples show up in the story. So I was wondering, what characters other than Lenny, Carsten and Lenny/Carsten would you include there? I don't know. Lucy and Philipp perhaps? isakja your subbed clips the Name LC for Lenny Carsten that's great.
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Post by fnord on Sept 2, 2009 9:41:37 GMT -5
Loved the latest clip so much, I finally got around to posting! *grin*
I agree with amber80, the confusion is quite apparent in how the guys behave. But it's more than just confusion I can see there. I can also see the interest and even desire between the two characters.
I'm amazed at how well the actors portray this, and the director of the show allows it to be shown. You can tell a lot by watching their eyes. How they glance at the other, or keep looking at each other when they think the other's not looking, and then suddenly tear their eyes away. How Carsten kept looking at Lenny while in the bar in the previous episode, you can see the desire to look and the fear of being caught plus the fear of Lenny's reaction to the touching at the Wannsee(sp?). Even Lenny's outright staring at Carsten looking totally yummy in those boxer briefs.
Plus, go Carsten, for working Lenny's belt, slowly opening it up, then using it to ratchet up the tension another notch by pulling Lenny in closer.
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Post by amber80 on Sept 2, 2009 10:54:30 GMT -5
No problem... Wuschel isn't activated now, so i'm telling you: She will upload the whole clips (the clips from alex20, too) and gonna do this to a playlist, so it's complete. But it will take some days. Hope you don't mind. Great news! Thanks for letting us know... Welcome then fnord! Glad this clip got you to de-lurk. ;D Of course I agree with you about there being more than confussion. That's more than obvious....
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 2, 2009 12:54:08 GMT -5
The whole post fight situation almost made me fall out of my chair. EGADS! Thank you so much to all the translators and uploaders. Now that I've finally caught up I just can't tell you how much I'm loving this storyline. Lenny is such a complex character. So much nuance to the actor's performance. Bravo to him I'm really smitten with these guys even though the fighting is hard for me to watch, it definitely adds a different flavor to their relationship. Lenny's sister is so right on about him and about Carsten. Very much looking forward to how this story progresses. CHEERS!
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Post by alexlovesroman on Sept 2, 2009 13:20:35 GMT -5
Oh my, they really messed it up ... As I initially thought, it was all just a producer trick to keep the gay public interested in the storyline, that's so lame - I was really disappointed after watching the episode today.
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Post by Kiia on Sept 2, 2009 13:22:33 GMT -5
yeah me too.. well not that disappointed but when i read the preview some weeks ago i thought that it'll be different.. but let's see how it will be soon.. i think i was just too much looking forward to this storyline and i saw the preview of tomorrows episode and think it gets better - for me
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Post by ivaniv on Sept 2, 2009 13:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by amber80 on Sept 2, 2009 13:55:49 GMT -5
Totally agree with you Ivan. (Even though I do read spoilers ) I usually take spoilers with a grain of salt; never expect too much. That case you won't get dissapointed so much. So far I like the pace of this storyline and I think they're doing a good job. Great caps as always!
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Post by Kiia on Sept 2, 2009 13:56:22 GMT -5
I never said that i want them to kiss or have sex.. i mean its just the beginning and they both have to deal with their situation.. yeah i read the spoilers and yes, imagined stuff but just as it was written in the spoilers.. and thats why i thought different.. but okay. as i said i will see how this story'll become
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Post by amber80 on Sept 2, 2009 14:01:30 GMT -5
This one is just.... ouch!. They're both really good with looks and facial expressions. Especially Alexander.
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Post by isakja on Sept 2, 2009 14:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 2, 2009 14:20:14 GMT -5
You get that because you read spoilers, imagine all sorts of things and the show can't really compete with that They are telling a story here and I think they are doing it very well. Just because they don't kiss or have sex when you want it, it does not make it a bad story. I don't read spoilers. I actually hate them because not only are they INTENTIONALLY misleading but the mess with the conversation about the show because some folks THINK they know what's going to happen and others are just blissfully taking in each episode as it happens. Not that I'm judging folks who read spoilers because I get that some folks need to know ahead of time and that's how the like to watch stuff. For me, the story is wonderful. Slow and steady is always better than jumping into something. There is so much history between these characters so much affection and respect and deep feelings already. They have so much more at stake then just what others may think about them, etc. I don't think their story is just about them getting together. I think it's about everything that has happened to them since they met and the journey. The path they each take to self discovery and to discovering how they may or may not feel about each other. Lenny in particular has already had to deal with gay-baiting and the fear and self-hatred that comes with that. He already suffers from a need to assert his masculinity in this very violent way so any homoerotic feelings he may or may not have are going to challenge him in ways that they might not Carsten (though I'm sure he'll feel challenged as well) What makes it so special here is that they are BOTH on that path, they are both feeling conflicted and confused and terrified of the "might bes" I love that aspect of the story. There are so many layers and they approach things so differently In general it seems that Carsten's all, "Lay it on the table, let's talk, what's up?" and Lenny's very "Avoid, avoid, deny, deny, danger Will Robinson, Danger!" when it comes to "emotions and feelings" It's obviously going to take a LONG LONG time for them to come to any kind of acceptance of themselves or each other but what a wonderful journey so far. The fight between the heart/body/mind and society is universal and eternal and a pivotal part of being gay or lesbian. Really. I'm so engaged and excited right now.
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Post by neenski on Sept 2, 2009 14:20:28 GMT -5
to keep the gay public interested in the storyline Wait, you think only gay people are interested in this storyline? Did you ever check how many (straight) women are posting here? Anyway, I think it's interesting how the whole storyline is playing out. Don't forget that Lenny's actually a deeply troubled character who has gone through a lot with his harrowing experiences at the Bundeswehr that traumatized him, and he also had always to deal with the fact that he never will be the son his father wants him to be. So he has a pretty huge chip on his shoulder, the poor boy - he's also still 19, don't forget that. *wry grin* Also, this is a soap - what would a proper love story be without some drama?
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Post by wuschel on Sept 2, 2009 14:48:52 GMT -5
HELLO i'm wuschel (as you see) and I want to say hello to all of you. i hope you enjoy the cenny clips and the subtitles version by isakja I'm probably a bad person for not knowing if Wuschel98 is a member on TGoDT (I know she is not here under that name, but maybe under another one?), but she is apparently posting the Lenny/Carsten videos on DailyMotion on this channel: www.dailymotion.com/wuschel98 I saw her clips posted on the Blog, so.... (I assume Wuschel98 is the same person who uploaded the Tom/Ulli storyline in German on YT, since I have a subscription to her channel over there) (Maybe it would be wise to contact her before someone is going to do a lot of unnessecary work?) Today's epi: www.dailymotion.com/user/wuschel98/video/xaaoy0_gzsz-lenny-carsten-270809_shortfilmsyou definitily not a bad person for not knowing me and yes, i'm the one who uploaded tom & ulli (my account), tom & olli and and the story between tom & ulli & olli (vlf*ghags) and a lot more. Yeah, I just found Wuschel98's video's too, and wanted to thank him or her for putting them up! So, danke! it's my pleasure. at the beginning it was only help for alex. thanks for your work alex. This is great. We should definitely reach out to her so that multiple people aren't doing the same work. It would be so great. It's hard enough just for folks to do all the transcription and translations. YAY Wuschel98 thanks again. and i'm so glad for your work and translation. my english it's to bad and i don't have enough time for subtitles a.s.o. I'm pretty sure that Wuschel98 is one of the ladies from f*ghags.de Just in case someone wants to contact her.. how do you know that yes, I'm one of the f*ghags ... Und das ist gut so This is just great! I loved Carsten in today's ep. I watched a whole bunch of the newly uploaded, older videos today, and was enthralled! I almost cried over what poor Lenny had to go through. It's cool that we can watch the back-story now. Everyone should check the vids out, if you haven't. They really help you to understand the characters better. Thanks, Wuschel! And I'm also very happy that the subtitles are on their way! This is a good story. i think, you can't understand the story by now, if you don't know the background. and everyone, who watch the older clips will see that. i think, i get the missing parts uploaded this week. No problem... Wuschel isn't activated now, so i'm telling you: She will upload the whole clips (the clips from alex20, too) and gonna do this to a playlist, so it's complete. But it will take some days. Hope you don't mind. thanks hon. and i hope, i could help you with the clips and your problems (quality a.s.o.) *knuddl*
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Post by amber80 on Sept 2, 2009 15:09:32 GMT -5
Welcome here Wuschel! As you can see/read; your efforts are much appreciated. I just watched today's clip on DM and I loved it... Very much. O, and the sound effects the moment Lenny walkedinto his room and saw Carsten waiting for him? Very fitting...
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Post by arlita on Sept 2, 2009 15:17:42 GMT -5
hello guys sorry for my english ;D I'm new to this forum and just wanted to thank you for uploading this story actually find it in youtube channel's of alex 20 and then I noticed that YT remove the part 9 and disappointed me a little and then enter the forum and I realize that you are an exceptional team, I like LC so much and I wanna thank you very much guys for everything they do, to alex 20, to IvanIV, to placebo, isakja which now has subtitles directly all the episodes and also to you wuschel98 now I'm seeing LC in dailymotion thank you guys are the best
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Post by lizkarita on Sept 2, 2009 15:35:51 GMT -5
Thank you Wuschel I am so grateful that you're uploading the Cenny clips. thank you soo much! As for today's episode, at first I was a little bit disappointed, because I do read spoilers but then, damn, I'm just too caught up in that story. It is so intense, all the passion/angst, my heart is actually beating faster everytime to come near to each other. And Lenny slipping his hand in Carsten's boxers, oh wow, too hot for words...
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Post by alex20 on Sept 2, 2009 16:02:52 GMT -5
I liked today's episode a lot. A really hot scene in the beginning and other than that a lot of angst. Works for me at the moment. But my concern today was with Jörn Schlönvoigt (Philip). What happened??? OMG, he has such short appearances lately that I was shocked, when I saw him half naked today. He really added a few pounds there over his last trip with Sarah Tkotsch (Lucy). I mean before he was gone, he just to look like this (even though this pic is from last fall): Seriously, he used to be a hunk. I mean not that he is bad looking now or anything, but still ... I want skinny Schlöni back. ;D Sorry, but this just bothered me today. Other than that, I really was surprised when Lenny got his hands in Carsten's boxer short. Don't wanna know what would of happen there if Carsten didn't have tried to kiss him in this moment. I'm really excited for tomorrow though. Hope the interesting scenes aren't part of another cliffhanger. ;D
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Post by devillies on Sept 2, 2009 16:08:13 GMT -5
after watching today episode, i really excited to see wat happens next
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Post by isakja on Sept 2, 2009 16:21:24 GMT -5
hello guys sorry for my english ;D I'm new to this forum and just wanted to thank you for uploading this story actually find it in youtube channel's of alex 20 and then I noticed that YT remove the part 9 and disappointed me a little and then enter the forum and I realize that you are an exceptional team, I like LC so much and I wanna thank you very much guys for everything they do, to alex 20, to IvanIV, to placebo, isakja which now has subtitles directly all the episodes and also to you wuschel98 now I'm seeing LC in dailymotion thank you guys are the best welcome to the board...thank you, but don't forget the sweet neenski glad to have you here, wuschel
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Post by wallvee on Sept 2, 2009 18:16:53 GMT -5
Thanks so much wuschel for the clips!
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Post by tubedout on Sept 2, 2009 23:39:00 GMT -5
Correct. :-) You can watch their backstory at the Bundeswehr on dailymotion (wuschel98), but sadly there aren't any subtitles yet for these. Not yet been addressed. *nods* *laughs* Sorry, but that's a bit funny, seeing as both actors are actually born in the same year, 1986. I do agree that Carsten does look older than Lenny. Considering that you're 19/20 when you graduate with your Abitur (which Lenny has), I would put him at this age - 20 is more probable. Carsten would be older due to him being Lenny's instructor, so I'd say he'd be 23/24 or so, but not much older than that. I hope my answers could help you. Thank you! That helps a lot. I tried to skim the thread a bit looking for answers, but I really don't want to read too closely, and be spoiled for what's coming, as most others are watching the German clips, and I am waiting for the English translations, so as not to get confused. Already, I caught some of the recent comments about what is going on, and I am dying being so so far away from that point in the English story! I'm afraid the backstory would be lost on me without translations, lol. For some reason, without dialogue, I always come up with a complete misinterpretation of what is going on in a scene. It's best to just not try! So I take it that if Carsten's sexuality has not been addressed, he is, at the most, still in the closet himself. He may not be dating girls, like Lenny, but he's also not out. Interesting. And I am totally surprised they are the same age! Carsten just looks so much older to me. Huh. I was also surprised to read that clips posted earlier to YouTube got deleted for copyright violations. It's happened to me in the past, but usually shows that have no chance of ever airing in the US are safe. Of all the times for them to crack down!
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Post by fnord on Sept 3, 2009 0:49:02 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd even call Carsten in the closet. Sorry, this might be a bit spoilerish if you haven't gotten through the German clips yet, so I'll skip a couple of lines before getting into the meat of it.
My take is that Carsten is going through the same things that Lenny is going through right now. He's finding feelings in himself that he didn't expect and isn't exactly prepared for. The one thing Carsten has going for him that Lenny doesn't was the lack of persecution (for lack of a better word) about being such a "sensitive" guy. Lenny had to go through his father's disappointment as well as all the teasing and taunting he got at the "Bund" (sorry, don't recall the full German word).
Lastly, I hate to pick nits, but I'm confused about underwear naming conventions. I'd call the piece of underwear that Lenny was wearing, which I would consider boxers, and the underwear that Carsten was wearing to be "boxerbriefs." And boy, oh boy, did Carsten look darn fine in 'em, that's for sure.
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Post by isakja on Sept 3, 2009 4:24:43 GMT -5
I don't want to anticipate (?), but i'll might get some help with a few clips... also, next week there will be no canny on the show. So, we can close up with the subtitles to the newest clips. Neenski and i were talking about the old "Bundeswehr"-Clips, and if we have the time and still the fun , we're going to translate these ones. And some day, these will be uploaded with subs, too. ~~~ I think, the shirt, his voice, his hairstyle and his "talking" makes Carsten looking older than Lenny.
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