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Post by kevvoi on Jul 2, 2019 16:39:38 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 4, 2019 5:25:28 GMT -5
Anthony reposted a few clips:
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jul 4, 2019 15:20:26 GMT -5
With Callum struggling with the escalating situation, he ended up having a heart-to-heart with Ben, who was quick to offer advice based on his own experiences. However, following their chat, Ben kissed Callum on the cheek – a moment that was witnessed by Stuart..
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 4, 2019 15:57:10 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 7, 2019 7:36:52 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by justinate on Jul 7, 2019 11:20:03 GMT -5
It's no surprise Ben gets beaten up again, but did it have to be juxtaposed with the Pride celebration? A really poor choice.
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Post by scmian on Jul 7, 2019 14:45:57 GMT -5
It's no surprise Ben gets beaten up again, but did it have to be juxtaposed with the Pride celebration? A really poor choice. Just wait he gets beaten up again in a few weeks. It's just annoying at this point.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 8, 2019 16:43:20 GMT -5
Clips from tonight's episode:
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Post by carld2 on Jul 11, 2019 10:05:26 GMT -5
It's no surprise Ben gets beaten up again, but did it have to be juxtaposed with the Pride celebration? A really poor choice. Don't worry, he was fine! And we had Stuart tell us he isn't homophobic, so all the better! Shit-ass writing from a show that has consistently failed gay characters for the last 15 years. They wanted to get buzz for having a vicious gay-bashing on Pride, and people falling over themselves to talk about how daring and important this was, yet they made sure to have Ben suffer zero physical effects (I've seen people more banged up than that after they fall on the ground) and made sure to let viewers know the beating was not based on being gay. And of course no mention of Ben's boyfriend being beaten to death or his last boyfriend beating him so badly he could have died. They seem to be telling a story of Ben as a sadomasochist who wants to be beaten and punished, but they don't even have the guts to do that right. Awful.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 11, 2019 21:21:35 GMT -5
I think it has more to do with Ben still suffering survivor's guilt about Paul. It's not that he wants to be beaten up because it is exciting or sexually arousing. He doesn't believe he deserves to not be in pain.
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Post by carld2 on Jul 12, 2019 7:44:00 GMT -5
I think it has more to do with Ben still suffering survivor's guilt about Paul. It's not that he wants to be beaten up because it is exciting or sexually arousing. He doesn't believe he deserves to not be in pain. If that's the case, someone should have told Max Bowden not to laugh and smile as Ben was being beaten.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 12, 2019 10:45:23 GMT -5
I think it has more to do with Ben still suffering survivor's guilt about Paul. It's not that he wants to be beaten up because it is exciting or sexually arousing. He doesn't believe he deserves to not be in pain. If that's the case, someone should have told Max Bowden not to laugh and smile as Ben was being beaten. I think that was the perfect response from a person who does not believe he deserves to not be in pain. It's like cutting. You create a pain you can theoretically control to deal with the pain you can't. I think you are willfully choosing not to get it. I don't LIKE the idea of a gay man being everyone's punching bag. But in this instance, with this character, it makes sense that around the anniversary of Paul's death BY BEATING Ben would have a difficult time. Beating is something Ben is used to. He has been bullied and beaten his entire life. He knows that he can "take it". I think folks underestimate the impact Paul had on Ben's life and since returning to Walford with all the ghosts of Paul Ben is basically falling apart. Smiles don't always mean someone is happy or enjoying an experience.
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Post by carld2 on Jul 12, 2019 12:09:39 GMT -5
If that's the case, someone should have told Max Bowden not to laugh and smile as Ben was being beaten. I think that was the perfect response from a person who does not believe he deserves to not be in pain. It's like cutting. You create a pain you can theoretically control to deal with the pain you can't. I think you are willfully choosing not to get it. I don't LIKE the idea of a gay man being everyone's punching bag. But in this instance, with this character, it makes sense that around the anniversary of Paul's death BY BEATING Ben would have a difficult time. Beating is something Ben is used to. He has been bullied and beaten his entire life. He knows that he can "take it". I think folks underestimate the impact Paul had on Ben's life and since returning to Walford with all the ghosts of Paul Ben is basically falling apart. Smiles don't always mean someone is happy or enjoying an experience. I think you have more faith in the show than I do. They just got through presenting Ben trafficking young girls into death (or a fate worse than death) as no big deal or fun. It all feels like shock value material to me.
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 12, 2019 12:13:49 GMT -5
I don't disagree about the human trafficking. It made NOT sense. It was far too extreme for who we know Ben to be. It would have made more sense to have Ben move back to work with Jay at the funeral parlor and have that be the context in which Ben and Callum met.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jul 12, 2019 15:10:24 GMT -5
I'm just here for the hot men kissing and being angsty and /or cute with each other. I don't watch the rest of the soap, and don't care what dodgy stuff Ben does, as none of it's real or a morality play that I need to learn the values of right and wrong from.
This is the first gay male soap couple in a long long time, where I think both of the men are attractive, and the actors can both act and have chemistry. So I'm just going sit back and enjoy the view and the kissing and whatever the hell the show does with them until it inevitably ends up sucking. :-)
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Post by HQ75 on Jul 12, 2019 17:05:27 GMT -5
Also a very valid perspective LOL And HEY TIHKON2! I love Ben so as long as he is alive and getting some loving I'm glad about it.
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 16, 2019 18:17:25 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jul 18, 2019 21:00:19 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 26, 2019 20:33:54 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Anthony:
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 30, 2019 16:09:43 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Aug 6, 2019 9:09:20 GMT -5
Hate the depiction of Ben, throwing him under the bus to portray that useless sap Keanu as the hero (all the more offensive when you consider Danny Walters' casual homophobia and now they have him playing the hero opposite a gay villain!).
They really should've left Ben offscreen and had Johnny Carter return as Callum's love interest instead.
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Post by hfolk on Aug 6, 2019 11:02:35 GMT -5
I love Ben setting up Keanu. He's thought he was hot stuff since he's been working for Phil
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Post by justinate on Aug 6, 2019 11:45:07 GMT -5
I love Ben setting up Keanu. He's thought he was hot stuff since he's been working for Phil Oh, don't get me wrong, I want Keanu taken down a peg (or twenty). But Ben's not going about it the right way. Trying to kill his own dad so Keanu can be sent down for murder? He should investigate Keanu's background and find out about his past as a male escort. Audiences know that Keanu never actually went through sleeping with a customer, but nobody else knows that. Ben could easily have used that against Keanu to tank his relationships with Louise, Sharon and Phil.
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Post by carld2 on Aug 6, 2019 14:17:17 GMT -5
I'm just here for the hot men kissing and being angsty and /or cute with each other. You're in for a long wait with that on Eastenders.
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Post by cybersparky on Aug 7, 2019 5:54:05 GMT -5
I'm just here for the hot men kissing and being angsty and /or cute with each other. You're in for a long wait with that on Eastenders. Has there ever been a situation like this on this show without the the negative side or them basically being neutered??
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