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Post by justinate on Jul 9, 2017 6:25:16 GMT -5
Sean O'Connor's reign has been dreadfully dull and the behind-the-scenes gossip makes it sound like a toxic working environment too. I was really hoping he would make something of Johnny and Ben but instead both characters were sidelined and everything else was utterly boring. I don't mind the Taylors but yeah I was really hoping Keanu would be gay/bi. I don't think Steven will ever go back to men; I suspect it was a condition of the actor returning to the role that they would downplay his same-sex attraction.
I guess the only way from here is up, so here's hoping!
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Post by buja on Jul 10, 2017 16:55:12 GMT -5
I got it wrong. Keanu appears not to be father. He is in training. I've read as mechanic and he is or was to work at the Archers with Ben. Today his mother threw at him that he doesn't tell her anything about his life anymore. He just said it's private. Not much to go on but hope perhaps isn't entirely dead.
Honestly the way Steven behaves, essentially stalking Lauren and throwing stuff around and crying like a child I don't want him on the team. But then I used to say that about Ben under DTC when he was an idiot all the time.
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Post by buja on Jul 14, 2017 0:29:13 GMT -5
Oh, Emmerdale isn't the only soap to have promised better representation of bisexual people at a LGBT soap panel. www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/news/a833027/oliver-kent-bisexual-storylines-eastenders-casualty-holby/Highlights of the panel: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM9DfLu-OjADS also had interview with the actor of Steven: I mean that's just a lie. The characters said he was gay as a teenager before he left the show. Then he came back, flirted with Johnny but in a twist he came back with Lauren and nothing gay has really happened since he came back. His sexuality was never even mentioned at all. So they were not at all honest about his bisexuality. Last year when he came back he was rather dismissive as well. Like bisexuality somehow justified Steven becoming effectively straight again. Perhaps the actor really is homophobic.
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Post by hfolk on Jul 14, 2017 8:22:27 GMT -5
IA, outside of flirting w/ Johnny in one scene the show never addressed that Steven is bisexual. If the show is looking to do more w/ bi representation then he'd be an excellent opportunity
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Post by uranian on Jul 14, 2017 22:04:55 GMT -5
IA, outside of flirting w/ Johnny in one scene the show never addressed that Steven is bisexual. If the show is looking to do more w/ bi representation then he'd be an excellent opportunity That is more difficult to manage and farther from reality. While women don't really mind a bisexual partner, men do mind. So getting a long term gay with bi relationship is harder to setup believably. In a Bi man with a woman the woman is usually busy removing whatever bits of past gay relationships or expressions of gay identity the bi partner has around him. So even if he is not back in the closet of his own doing the Bi partner of a woman would most often appear to be entirely straight or in the closet.
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Post by hfolk on Jul 14, 2017 22:58:28 GMT -5
the problem is that Steven came out as gay and his family didn't even question him when he came back
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Post by buja on Jul 24, 2017 15:13:21 GMT -5
Ben's half-sister is currently in hospital. Her stepmother and mother were there, her friend was there, the friend's parents were there. Ben was not. He was on screen three times. 74 seconds give or take. First he got the call. Second scene he wanted to go after the culprits. Jay asked Ben if he remembered last time and told him not to go. So Ben didn't. Last scene he called his dad to come home. In this last scene in the background was the life-size paper cut-out of the shirtless fireman Jay got him for his birthday. The fireman is a reminder of last time Ben got significant screen time and the callback to Paul's death is the last time he actually had a story. Still waiting for the new producer to take over.
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Post by buja on Jul 27, 2017 16:22:12 GMT -5
Today, marking 50 years of partial legalisation, Johnny rolled out a banner on the Vic front wall and Derek got emotional. That's it.
Seeing as nobody is posting, I'll do the honors. This is from Tuesday.
This is asshole Ben again. Lisa herself tried to kill Ben's father, shot him. Lots of EastEnders characters did things, murder, abuse. It's not brought up because it's a soap and it just reminds people of how many things these characters go through because they're on TV for so long. It doesn't help suspension of disbelief. I am fine with calm and collected Ben, playing pranks on Donna, moping after Paul. This toothless big man facade, cowering before his daddy, bent on pleasing him, I'm not a fan of it.
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Post by boz-ruh on Jul 27, 2017 16:49:17 GMT -5
Turns out there is a lot of things I don't know about Ben. I heard he killed Peggy (and I always will be bitter about it) I saw him while watching Christian & Syed then some more while watching Johnny but while watching Ben & Paul I got invested in him. But he has/had a daughter how I don't know that.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 27, 2017 23:13:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the clip! I've kind of been wondering what Ben & Johnny are up to these days. Not that I expect much considering the writing on EE.
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Post by buja on Jul 28, 2017 0:31:19 GMT -5
Peggy had terminal cancer. Barbara Windsor came back for her death. She ended her life in Phil's house. Ben killed a character called Heather years ago, Shirley's best friend. Phil tried to cover it up. In the end Ben went to prison. I haven't seen it myself. Apparently Heather was into musicals, a huge fan of George Michael and camp stuff and Ben was too, except he couldn't deal with his sexuality or at least with Phil's reaction to it. That's how the show has spun it since anyway. Ben tried to be straight before he came out, slept with his cousin Lola. She got pregnant. I think Billy was her clostest relative on the show. Phil wasn't so much interested in Lola's well-being as his granddaughter's. Lola left and took Ben's child. Ben came back recast once again to take part in the big Lucy Beale murder plot as a suspect. He pretended to be straight again. Absurdly claiming prison had straightened him out. Abi Brennan became his girlfriend just so Abi had a better excuse to throw her father under the bus in court as her future with murder suspect Ben was more important. Ben cheated, gave her an STD. He was a total dick all that time. Abi pretended to be pregnant to cling onto Ben. He eventually found out and ended the relationship. He got together with Paul. Then Paul was killed. Phil called Paul Ben's friend instead of boyfriend and Ben was almost good. Free of his dad's influence. Sadly it didn't last. Phil needed a liver transplant, Ben wanted to give him some of his. Phil wasn't keen. Instead of saying no, he disinherited Ben, but not Louise, Sharon or Denny. Still Ben keeps crawling back.
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Post by boz-ruh on Jul 28, 2017 2:44:09 GMT -5
Peggy had terminal cancer. Barbara Windsor came back for her death. She ended her life in Phil's house. Ben killed a character called Heather years ago, Shirley's best friend. Phil tried to cover it up. In the end Ben went to prison. I haven't seen it myself. Apparently Heather was into musicals, a huge fan of George Michael and camp stuff and Ben was too, except he couldn't deal with his sexuality or at least with Phil's reaction to it. That's how the show has spun it since anyway. Ben tried to be straight before he came out, slept with his cousin Lola. She got pregnant. I think Billy was her clostest relative on the show. Phil wasn't so much interested in Lola's well-being as his granddaughter's. Lola left and took Ben's child. Ben came back recast once again to take part in the big Lucy Beale murder plot as a suspect. He pretended to be straight again. Absurdly claiming prison had straightened him out. Abi Brennan became his girlfriend just so Abi had a better excuse to throw her father under the bus in court as her future with murder suspect Ben was more important. Ben cheated, gave her an STD. He was a total dick all that time. Abi pretended to be pregnant to cling onto Ben. He eventually found out and ended the relationship. He got together with Paul. Then Paul was killed. Phil called Paul Ben's friend instead of boyfriend and Ben was almost good. Free of his dad's influence. Sadly it didn't last. Phil needed a liver transplant, Ben wanted to give him some of his. Phil wasn't keen. Instead of saying no, he disinherited Ben, but not Louise, Sharon or Denny. Still Ben keeps crawling back. Thank you, sorry I confused Heather's name. So Ben's daughter still alive I wonder will she come back. I also wonder whst is happening I can't watch since Ben & Johnny slept.
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Post by buja on Aug 7, 2017 15:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by hfolk on Aug 7, 2017 16:50:22 GMT -5
I hope they don't go down that road, the Taylor's are so trashy as a whole
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Post by buja on Aug 7, 2017 19:46:52 GMT -5
We are witnissing the end of SoC. At this point in writing how ever many weeks back the cast has turned against him. Ratings are down. The pressure is on to make changes. A recently filmed scene is said to be on screen in September. A ratings boost. Maybe axe some characters. Fits the timeline. A new producer is taking over. Who knows what Yorke has planned for the gays of Albert Square.
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Post by hfolk on Aug 7, 2017 19:52:47 GMT -5
probably need to ax a lot of characters
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Post by justinate on Aug 8, 2017 9:32:46 GMT -5
I haven't been following EE since most of the characters I like were sidelined under SOC, but has Keanu done anything particularly reprehensible? From what little I saw of him, he seemed to be the only decent one in the Taylor family. I wouldn't mind a romance between him and Ben, to be honest. Danny Walters seems to be very gay-friendly (he's been on two gay magazine covers, even though I don't believe he's played a gay character?) and he's pretty damn hot. He'd be a much more welcome addition to EE's LGBT characters than Steven (whose actor is almost certainly the reason the character's homosexuality has been brushed under the carpet - he was never comfortable playing gay).
But with every new showrunner there's a tendency to write out the previous one's "pets" (as the Taylors are sure to be perceived) so perhaps Keanu won't last long enough for us to even find out which way he swings.
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Post by buja on Aug 8, 2017 13:10:44 GMT -5
I've read on the digitalspy forums that producers get something like a fee for every character they create. Intellectual property maybe. That would mean the next producer can cut whatever and make their own but the best and most popular characters survive longer. Not sure it matters but John Yorke is a temporary replacement.
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Post by buja on Aug 19, 2017 1:33:45 GMT -5
Phil got an offer for the premises where he, and Max I think, used to sell cars. The one that Ben signed away to Max when Phil was in prison. The one where drunken Phil used a digger to crash the paper-mache office hut. Think Aaron's junkyard office. And he almost killed Louise who was in there for no reason at all. Phil got an offer for 300k for it. To Sharon he made it sound like he wanted to make things right. He's stashing some of that magically appearing money he has so much of, even though he was broke und unable to pay off people just last year and he just came off a half year long, post liver-transplant holiday and hasn't done anything. He's stashing some money to the son that Denise gave up for adoption. He gave the Archers, the mechanic place where Ben works, to Ben and the car sales premises to Jay. Ben and Jay found out Jay got the better deal and Ben threw tantrums about being the queer son Phil never wanted, behind even Denises son, step-son Dennis and no-son Jay in the queue, because the Archers is lease-owned, just the business, not the land and he will have to work the business to make any money from it. Jay wants to swap 300k for the Archers. He confronted Phil. Phil threw tantrums in the form of kitchen table and glasses, then he got himself something to drink. Jay confronted him again and Phil said he killed Jay's father. Until that point it's fine. Maybe Phil can have a responsibility in the wider picture. But then Phil said he killed Jay's father on the car sales premises. That never happened. That would be a rather large retcon.
Here, the large person is Heather, the one Ben killed, also baby Jay! The same actor all these years.
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Post by buja on Aug 21, 2017 14:16:59 GMT -5
Absolute nonsense.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Aug 23, 2017 23:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Aug 24, 2017 17:06:37 GMT -5
I think this is new - clip courtesy of Joshua:
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Post by buja on Sept 8, 2017 14:45:16 GMT -5
TL;DR Johnny was shot, is still alive as of now. Steven is dead. Hurray!
Common predictions were true again. A very confused Ted shot Johnny. Johnny's ambulance crashed. Linda was in it too. Jack followed them. He got to be the hero. Last we saw Johnny was loaded into another ambulance.
Max manipulated Steven into setting the restaurant on fire with Jane still inside. Jane had discovered Steven's lies and found out about Max's lust for revenge when he stopped Steven from saving Jane after all and left Jane to burn. In hospital Abby revealed she was pregnant with Steven's child. She said Stephen was just as fucked up as she was. He agreed. He said everything was magically perfect now and then he died. Good riddance. He never should have been brought back.
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Post by hfolk on Sept 8, 2017 15:41:47 GMT -5
TL;DR Johnny was shot, is still alive as of now. Steven is dead. Hurray! Common predictions were true again. A very confused Ted shot Johnny. Johnny's ambulance crashed. Linda was in it too. Jack followed them. He got to be the hero. Last we saw Johnny was loaded into another ambulance. Max manipulated Steven into setting the restaurant on fire with Jane still inside. Jane had discovered Steven's lies and found out about Max's lust for revenge when he stopped Steven from saving Jane after all and left Jane to burn. In hospital Abby revealed she was pregnant with Steven's child. She said Stephen was just as fucked up as she was. He agreed. He said everything was magically perfect now and then he died. Good riddance. He never should have been brought back.what what a waste to have Steven be bi just to forget it and ruin his character
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Post by buja on Sept 9, 2017 1:08:27 GMT -5
Ben, Johnny and Derrick all gay, Steven bi and none of them had a gay relationship all of SoC's time. It's just absurd. There was only Ben and Johnny having sex and declare friendship in the next episode and Derrick's retconned prison past. Both extremely minor and never longer than 3 episodes.
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