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Post by lolaruns on Jun 5, 2008 10:44:41 GMT -5
Looks like McDean fans have something to look forward to. Is it only 5 episodes or will there be more?
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 5, 2008 10:46:59 GMT -5
Looks like McDean fans have something to look forward to. Is it only 5 episodes or will there be more? I guess. Wer weiss? There is zero mention of John Paul anywhere in this 5 episode special but that doesn't mean anything. I was surprised when I saw the article this morning. I have a feeling it's going to be a lively day in the Hollyoaks fandom. Now I am torn cause I like McHobbs and I like McDean. The speculation and finger wagging is going to be off the hook today!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 5, 2008 10:50:53 GMT -5
www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/a97527/late-night-hollyoaks-for-e4.htmlYes, it has been, B-chick. I also noticed how John-Paul wasn't mentioned AT ALL in that article. I mean, shouldn't people who are actual Craig Dean fans be excited that the character is rumoured to be coming back to the show and not just for "their Sunset Ending". The spoiler/article turned from an off-shoot of the original HO show, to some proof that the "Sunset Ending" is definitely going to happen for the MCDEAN fans. Reaching much?!
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 5, 2008 11:21:10 GMT -5
I don't think that it is that much of a stretch to assume that McDean will at least meet. "The bank of five 60-minute episodes will also see various characters travel to Belfast with unexpected results;"
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 5, 2008 11:29:14 GMT -5
I, understand that Lola. Have you also seen the postings, in which certain viewers state that there has to be more for Craig to come back to HO, besides the state of his own sister's life in jeopardy. I mean, the Deans have been through a lot in the past 10 months of Craig's departure. He has more reasons to come back to Chester/Hollyoaks for them, besides just "rescuing John-Paul" from the clutches of the evil and manipulative machinations of Father Kieron Hobbs. I don't think that it is that much of a stretch to assume that McDean will at least meet. "The bank of five 60-minute episodes will also see various characters travel to Belfast with unexpected results;"
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 5, 2008 11:31:07 GMT -5
I too favor McHobbs personally. To me going back to Craig would feel like a step backwards for JP in my eyes (though if it were to happen of course I would be happy for the fans). But JP was Craig's major storyline, so if they resurrect his character, it seems sensible to assume that it will be addressed somehow. Even though I wouldn't gather a sunset ending from it either.
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Post by Simone on Jun 5, 2008 17:06:43 GMT -5
I get it now. Guy is doing the late night special. Now I'm confused again. I don't understand why people are talking Craig and John Paul reuniting or even interacting. James Sutton isn't going to be on this night Hollyoaks series or is he? I expect James to be long gone from Hollyoaks before that series is filmed.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 5, 2008 17:07:58 GMT -5
I get it now. Guy is doing the late night special. Now I'm confused again. I don't understand why people are talking Craig and John Paul reuniting or even interacting. James Sutton isn't going to be on this night Hollyoaks series or is he? There has been no word on that so I am going with wait and see, cause you never know. Others are a little more eager.
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Post by carld2 on Jun 5, 2008 17:15:50 GMT -5
Hollyoaks have really put themselves in a pickle here.
They gave indications that Kieron won't be killed. So IF that is true, that means either John Paul and Kieron are still together and living in town, or they have moved away, either together or separately. Yet we don't see any mention of John Paul in this, even though Niall will obviously be a part of the episode.
Imagine the hurt and anger McDean fans will feel if Craig comes back on his own and John Paul isn't involved. Or if John Paul has already left the show. If Guy Burnet was willing to come back, yet they didn't take the time to resolve his relationship with John Paul.
We don't even know if James Sutton will be on the show through November. I would have thought he'd stay around at least to the climax of the Niall story, but we don't know. He could always leave after everyone finds out about his relationship with Kieron.
I just keep thinking they would have mentioned John Paul somewhere in the announcement if he was involved in this.
Could Craig return before this late night special and reunite with John Paul?
Could John Paul leave town to be with Craig and then months later, we see them together in Belfast? Wasn't there a rumor James Sutton was seen filming in Belfast?
If they do get together without actually being seen onscreen, then Craig is shown months later (yet we don't see John Paul), then that would be like an S in one corner of the room and an E in the other. No SE. The reunion would take place offcamera and even in Craig's return, Craig and John Paul wouldn't actually be shown together. How would McDean fans react to that?
I've never known just how comfortable Guy Burnet was with the McDean storyline. He said he'd already made up his mind to leave before the story began, and he did a good job with such a major character change, but is he really going to want to revive the story again?
What if James/John Paul are already gone by this time, and Guy just wanted to be able to have the chance to finish his run on Hollyoaks going back to what he spent most of his 5 years doing -- being a Dean? He did say he would return for a late night special, and that would be a difficult choice for the show to make...bring him back as a Dean and prepare for all the backlash that would be faced if he wasn't with John Paul, or not bring him back at all?
This is a very complicated situation. I'm going to err on the side of thinking McDean don't get back together and John Paul is already gone (either with Kieron or alone), because most gay soap couples don't get a happily ever after. Most soap couples, gay or straight, never do.
The McDean fans will, understandably, be very disappointed if this happens. I guess the worst for them would be if John Paul is still on the show then and doesn't interact with Craig, or if he is happy with Kieron and Craig gives them his blessing.
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Post by Simone on Jun 5, 2008 17:49:26 GMT -5
I never believed that Guy Burnett would return to Hollyoaks for any sunset ending. He was too vocal about how much he disliked playing Craig in a gay relationship. The Hollyoak night series is the perfect way for him to get some more exposure without having to do any gay kissing.
carld2, like you I suspect that John Paul (with or without Kieron) will be long gone from Hollyoaks by the time this series rolls around. The McDeaners will be crushed.
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Post by j9l45 on Jun 5, 2008 17:51:09 GMT -5
Now I am torn cause I like McHobbs and I like McDean. Me too. But at least the next 6 months will be interesting. I have a feeling it's going to be a lively day in the Hollyoaks fandom. There is another forum I want to visit because I am interested in their reactions, but I've been a little scared to since things can sometimes blow up a little over there. Oh well, going in. Wish me luck!
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Post by amber80 on Jun 5, 2008 18:45:51 GMT -5
I haven't had the time yet to catch up on everything yet, but what I did read sounded very interesting... I don't care who, why, when of whatever: as long as it makes great tv. I'm just going to wait and see.
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Post by carld2 on Jun 5, 2008 18:51:40 GMT -5
I just hope a lot of people won't stop watching the show if McDean don't reunite. The show brought this on themselves, by repeatedly saying they wanted an SE if that were possible, and by not doing enough to developed John Paul as a character after McDean.
They also haven't really developed a gay presence on the show outside of John Paul. If or when he leaves, I hope that doesn't mean the gay content will go with him. Kris is seen more with female love interests, and Kieron may leave before or with JP. Spike also seems to be gone for good.
This all seems to be such a mess. I really hope that they won't end up letting people down.
j9l45, the smiley under the chair is so cute. I don't know how people do that stuff.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 5, 2008 22:21:14 GMT -5
There is another forum I want to visit because I am interested in their reactions, but I've been a little scared to since things can sometimes blow up a little over there. Oh well, going in. Wish me luck! I visited a forum tonight and IT IS SCARY IN THERE. I understand being excited about Guy's return but people are already waxing poetic about McDean's marriage once Craig returns and that the late night 5 eps show will focus on their life together after the SE happens. Dude... I love McDean but that kind of drama is a turn off. Can't people just wait and see? Who knows if James will even still be on the show at that time, especially as JP wasn't mentioned at all. I am not saying he won't have scenes with Craig but there is nothing saying that he, in fact, will. We just don't know at this point. Chill, people! Ugh. This is as bad as the drama surrounding the last several episodes of the final season QAF-USA with the wedding that wasn't, but then I despised Brian/Justin so them not being together made me happy. I don't feel that way about McDean but some fans almost make me want them to feel the spite of TPTB just because their over-zealous adoration is really scary and off. And that makes me angry that I am that fed up with a small groups actions and words. You can love something fictional but it should become the reason you breathe.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 5, 2008 23:05:33 GMT -5
I don't remember him being vocal about it at all. I remember he offhandedly remarked that it seemed a bit odd that Craig was to be gay, and he hoped it was well written in an interview he did for a magazine before the storyline really got going. Not that he disliked it. Of course I may have missed hearing about an interview where he said he hated playing Craig as gay....
Also...I don't think it's odd at all that John Paul isn't mentioned in the new "Late Night" spoilers and still people are expecting him to be in it. It will be extremely odd to have Guy Burnett back without James Sutton anywhere around. Yes, Craig was a Dean for 4 years before James joined the show, but he is remembered for one story only. The romance with John Paul.
Personally I don't find it very far fetched that we may see some McDeanery.
I must mention I've also heard that there's going to be Craig/John Paul interaction on regular everyday Hollyoaks.
So.....we'll see by November I guess....
By the way, I'm not a McDean fanatic, nor a McHobb. I like all three actors and their characters.
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 6, 2008 4:38:55 GMT -5
As I have said before Guy has never said that he disliked playing Craig in a gay relationship -he actually said that he would only do so if he felt that the storyline justified the apparent 180 change in Craig's sexuality.
He obviously felt that Mcdean did justify it - as he extended his contract to continue with and develop the story and also said on several occasions that he was up for a return to HO to finish off his story with JP +/- an SE.
He admiitted that he found it hard to film the kissing scenes but said that he loved working with James and was vey proud of his work as Craig - just take a look at his show reel and see how many McDean scenes he's included.
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Post by carld2 on Jun 6, 2008 5:44:42 GMT -5
I just think if McDean were a part of this special, they would mention it. Why hide such an occasion? Some fans have been waiting almost a year to see Craig and John Paul back together. There's always a chance this could be a bait and switch and Craig does return for some episodes before the special, but we haven't heard anything about that yet, and I'd think they would want to advertise if he returns for the regular episodes.
Craig didn't become a prominent character until McDean, but Guy played the other Craig through four years and he built close bonds with the other actors in the Dean family. He also did Hollyoaks a big favor by agreeing to make such drastic changes in Craig and by giving his all in such a demanding, controversial story. They may have wanted to have let him have a goodbye on his own terms, not as part of McDean.
I do hope the ending will be for McDean, and that they'll be together by that time, now that they're bringing Guy back.
I'm not sure how I feel about Myra losing control and telling the crowd in church about Kieron and John Paul. She's had a difficult year, but we haven't seen her slowly cracking under the pressure, at least not recently. The pacing in the story has let down some of the potential. I thought we might get more time with Niall getting to know his family, getting to know Myra. Instead, so much time has been spent on his relationship with Steph.
I suppose Craig saving Steph from Niall probably means Niall won't be around for very long past the late night special. I'd hoped he might become a longer term character and we could see more of him with his family. If this doesn't happen I hope they at least keep Kieron around. They're the two best characters the show has created in the past year.
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 6, 2008 9:05:10 GMT -5
They have to hide it or it would be like saying the SE is definitely happening/ not happening!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 6, 2008 9:34:32 GMT -5
I don't agree that TPTB 'brought this on themselves'. They never said that 'they wanted an SE'. They said that if it could happen, they would try to make it happen. The big word that some people keep forgetting is IF. I just hope a lot of people won't stop watching the show if McDean don't reunite. The show brought this on themselves, by repeatedly saying they wanted an SE if that were possible, and by not doing enough to developed John Paul as a character after McDean. They also haven't really developed a gay presence on the show outside of John Paul. If or when he leaves, I hope that doesn't mean the gay content will go with him. Kris is seen more with female love interests, and Kieron may leave before or with JP. Spike also seems to be gone for good. This all seems to be such a mess. I really hope that they won't end up letting people down. j9l45, the smiley under the chair is so cute. I don't know how people do that stuff.
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Post by amber80 on Jun 6, 2008 15:03:27 GMT -5
There is another forum I want to visit because I am interested in their reactions, but I've been a little scared to since things can sometimes blow up a little over there. Oh well, going in. Wish me luck! I visited a forum tonight and IT IS SCARY IN THERE. I understand being excited about Guy's return but people are already waxing poetic about McDean's marriage once Craig returns and that the late night 5 eps show will focus on their life together after the SE happens. Dude... I love McDean but that kind of drama is a turn off. Can't people just wait and see? Who knows if James will even still be on the show at that time, especially as JP wasn't mentioned at all. I am not saying he won't have scenes with Craig but there is nothing saying that he, in fact, will. We just don't know at this point. Chill, people! Ugh. This is as bad as the drama surrounding the last several episodes of the final season QAF-USA with the wedding that wasn't, but then I despised Brian/Justin so them not being together made me happy. I don't feel that way about McDean but some fans almost make me want them to feel the spite of TPTB just because their over-zealous adoration is really scary and off. And that makes me angry that I am that fed up with a small groups actions and words. You can love something fictional but it should become the reason you breathe. My feelings exactly! Today I was watching the video GayTime posted on his blog. Watching back all those scenes of JP and Craig remembered me of how much I enjoyed them together and this storyline. I almost forgot that because now everytime I hear 'McDean' I think of extremely fanatic behaviour. I love to see Craig again, but I really don't know if I want the SE. To be honest: it's all fine by me: I love both couples equally and all three are interesting characters on their own. So whatever the writers decide: it's all fine by me..
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Post by Simone on Jun 6, 2008 17:14:06 GMT -5
Since Guy says that he is talks to make a brief return, I guess, the McDeaners aren't as delusional as so many people (including myself) thought that they are about a possible "sunset ending." I still think that John Paul is more likely to go off on his own or with Kieron than any other possibility, but we will see.
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Post by Ed on Jun 6, 2008 17:41:12 GMT -5
Like Simone posted in the spoiler forum, Guy said in his forum: "I have been talking with the producers and there might be a possibility for my brief return. The only reason for me doing this would be for the loyalty and perseverance of the 'mcdean' fans and all you guys on the site. It is extremely flattering having all this attention and hopefully I will return to you guys what you have wanted. I am in talks as i say but I would also want it to be a good story and maybe somewhat unexpected. In terms of the late night, well, thats something different and is also only at a discussion phase. Expect a full update on my site soon guyburnet.com"
He is saying that he is doing this for the McDean fans, so John Paul has to be involved in the series.
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 6, 2008 17:47:43 GMT -5
I don't agree that TPTB 'brought this on themselves'. They never said that 'they wanted an SE'. They said that if it could happen, they would try to make it happen. The big word that some people keep forgetting is IF. I just hope a lot of people won't stop watching the show if McDean don't reunite. The show brought this on themselves, by repeatedly saying they wanted an SE if that were possible, and by not doing enough to developed John Paul as a character after McDean. They also haven't really developed a gay presence on the show outside of John Paul. If or when he leaves, I hope that doesn't mean the gay content will go with him. Kris is seen more with female love interests, and Kieron may leave before or with JP. Spike also seems to be gone for good. This all seems to be such a mess. I really hope that they won't end up letting people down. j9l45, the smiley under the chair is so cute. I don't know how people do that stuff. James stated in 1 interview that, " if JP leaves - he has to leave with Craig" and in another that, 'things don't end well' with Keiron, also that there is an "explosive end" Guy said that he'd be willling to come back and BK said he'd be a fool to ignore the possibility. Guy has now said that he's coming back - so I think the SE is now more likely than ever - of course it may not happen but why not if all 3 of them want it? If they've decided against we'll all see soon enough
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2008 18:05:58 GMT -5
I am exited to see Guy back i think he's a good actor and i would love to see him interact with James again, i think they have good chemistry together. I really like their stiryline and as much as i have wanted to i can't get into him and kieron...i think that's just my personnal preference...i can't wait to see what they do with his return
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Post by carld2 on Jun 6, 2008 19:19:18 GMT -5
They did give the implication that if Guy could come back, they'd have an SE. If he comes back, and the SE doesn't happen, then that will probably be seen as misleading.
So was Guy saying he came back because of McDean fans, or was he saying that he wasn't sure he'd have been asked back if not for McDean?
I think the most likely guess right now would be that McDean will reunite on Hollyoaks, and leave, and then Craig will be seen on his own in the late night special, with JP mentioned but not seen.
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