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Post by Hawthorne on Nov 28, 2009 19:16:43 GMT -5
If Lucas and Noud do become a couple, I'm very curious to see how they portray Noud's "transition." I can't imagine Noud experiencing gay panic on the scale of a Lenny or Craig Dean. On the other hand, it would be a big change for him. My guess is that the kiss (if it happens) will be spontaneous and take them both by surprise. I could see Noud experiencing a mini-crisis over it. Ultimately, I hope he just decides to confidently explore a relationship with Lucas because not doing so out of fear is no way to live.
I have to say that the potential hotness of a Noud-Lucas pairing is mind-boggling! I'm very excited!
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 28, 2009 20:56:40 GMT -5
I actually am even more interested now in what happened with Noud and his ex girlfriend. Mark is there still mystery bout that?
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Post by cheerios on Nov 28, 2009 23:13:56 GMT -5
Yeah I'm wondering if they originally thought of putting Dex with Lucas. But found they liked him better with Nina. And then they brought Noud back and saw that the actors have great chemistry together. Making the writers think hey what about Noud and Lucas pairing. I do wonder if this was the original Noud, here in the US we have recasts all the time.
I can see Dex healing after what he is going through and say that he always had this fear that this would turn him gay. And Lucas grabs him and gives him a kiss, he then ask if Dex felt anything and Dex replies no. And Lucas smiles and goes, "then your not gay, that answers that."
hawthorne I would see Noud's transition more like Christian's from VL.
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Post by stl29tide on Nov 29, 2009 0:02:09 GMT -5
Yeah I'm wondering if they originally thought of putting Dex with Lucas. But found they liked him better with Nina. And then they brought Noud back and saw that the actors have great chemistry together. Making the writers think hey what about Noud and Lucas pairing. I do wonder if this was the original Noud, here in the US we have recasts all the time. This is the original Noud. Ruud (Noud) and Ferry do have great chemistry together. I also would like to know what really happened between him and his girlfriend in Australia. He hasn't talked about it to anyone....at least not that I know of. If the spoiler is true it will definitely be interesting to see Lucas and Noud figure everything out. Lucas has always been so sure of himself, but, he also said he just likes to have fun and isn't really into the love thing, so it'll be interesting to see him fall in love with Noud and for the first time be unsure of everything and have that vulnerability of really being able to be hurt and it will be interesting to see Noud's transformation of never having been with a man before to really opening up to the possibility of the fact that he has feelings for Lucas and deciding whether or not he's willing to persue him and everything that goes along with it. All I can say is this spoiler better be true because if it is, this show has officially become my favorite one and I will squee the squee of a ridiculous fangirl at the pairing of my Noucas!!! ;D
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Nov 29, 2009 5:27:40 GMT -5
I actually am even more interested now in what happened with Noud and his ex girlfriend. Mark is there still mystery bout that? Well, we still don't know exactly what happened between them in Australia. But I'm not sure they'll bring it up. And yes, this is still the original Noud. He had to leave for three months because there's this law here that after giving an employee three 1-year contracts you have to give him a permanent contract. The only way to avoid this is to "fire" the employee and "rehire" him three months later. Then you can start a new cycle of three 1-year contracts. This gave Ruud the time to film the movie Lover or Loser. There are a few people with permanent contracts. I'm sure about the actors playing Laura, Jef, Ludo, Janine and Barbara. I think the actors playing Charlie and Sjors have a permanent contract as well. The rest gets 1-year contracts. So this means if Ferry is still on the show in 3 years, we'll have to miss him for 3 months. Speaking of recasts, there's actually only one character on the show now that is a recast and that's Charlie played by Lieke van Lexmond. I'm not counting Nina and Lucas of course who have been played by child actors in the past. Wow... I REALLY hope Noucas will happen now. Not only because I like the idea of them together, but you will all be so disappointed if it doesn't happen! ;D
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Post by cheerios on Nov 29, 2009 14:26:45 GMT -5
Interesting thing to learn about the contracts, over here in the US. I believe with soap actors they sign like one year/three year/five year contacts as a time. And then when those come to an end, they see if they want to continue with the show. But here we get so many new recasting, it's crazy. We've even had actors play the character go away for a while, have someone new play them, and then have them come back.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Nov 29, 2009 15:47:17 GMT -5
We've even had actors play the character go away for a while, have someone new play them, and then have them come back. Oh, I know. I watch ATWT. ;D You know, I can't wait for it to be Tuesday when the new spoilers come out. I want to know what happens with Lucas and Noud! But you'll see that we'll just get more vague spoilers. ;D
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Post by stl29tide on Nov 29, 2009 19:25:08 GMT -5
I swear I keep checking back like every 15 minutes to see if there's something new. I know the new spoilers don't come out until Tuesday, but, it's seriously ALL I can think about. I have a sickness.....and the only cure is more Lucas/Noud! *sniff*
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Post by cheerios on Nov 30, 2009 1:30:29 GMT -5
Ok I'm curious who here wants Lucas with Dex or with Noud?
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Post by placebo on Nov 30, 2009 7:14:38 GMT -5
Well, I've been fond of Dexas most of the time, but now that we know what has happened to Dex, no. This is a different issue and I give this show massive credits for choosing such a difficult theme. To me, it would feel all kinds of wrong if they decided to turn Dex gay, at least in the nearer future, because it would send messages, like those issues were connected. And they're not.
So at the moment I want Dex to work out his trauma indivually and I'm so looking forward to see how this is going to play out. And I'm bouncy at the thought of some Noucas, because that actor who plays Noud is smexy and they have wicked chemistry. ^_^
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Post by stl29tide on Nov 30, 2009 10:38:32 GMT -5
Ok I'm curious who here wants Lucas with Dex or with Noud? I was always excited at the possibility of Dexas. Well, let's be real, I was just excited at Lucas getting a love interest, so when the rumors came up, I was game, but since Noud came back, I've wanted it to be him and Lucas. I think my vision got a little clouded at Dex and Lucas just because I wanted Lucas to be able to have a relationship with someone, but, now for me Dex and Lucas just doesn't work. You could go that route and have it be all angst filled and tragic because Nina is Lucas' sister, but, I don't think there would be a pay off for the fans at the end, whereas Lucas and Noud have developed this friendship and have sort of quickly become best friends, and I feel like they could be a couple where they have their ups and downs but it's this real romantic love. I don't know. That's just what I think. So yeah....team Noucas!!! ;D
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Nov 30, 2009 11:02:55 GMT -5
For the longest time I've wanted Dex to be gay... Even long before we knew Lucas was coming back from New York. And then Lucas arrived and started having a lot of scenes with Dex so I was really happy about that. The chances of Dexas happening were growing! But then Noud came back. Noud, a character that was never really one of my favorites. I didn't hate him but I didn't love him either. But something had changed. I don't know if it's the writing or the fact that he's not with his girlfriend Vicky anymore, but all of a sudden I really liked him. And he had awesome chemistry with Lucas. So this had me all confused. Dexas or Noucas? At that point I think I was still on Team Dexas. But slowly things changed and I think this latest development in Dex' story made it clear to me. I want Dex and Nina to work through this and come out of it stronger than ever. Today I've rewatched all the Noucas scenes so far and now I'm sure. Team Noucas! ;D I think it would be great if Noucas and Dexina (Nex? ) eventually could become friends.
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Post by esmi on Nov 30, 2009 11:48:18 GMT -5
I was hoping for that Dex would fall for Lucas, but this scenario seems to be very unlikely to happen now. So, Noud. Hm. I know way too little about Prettyboy's personal history and have seen him only in few short scenes with Lucas and at the party being very angry and impolite to poor Dex. So, I'm afraid that I need to see/know more of him before I can jump on the Noucas bandwagon. But since any m/m romance on TV is a good thing, so be it. Are there any subtitled clips of Noud interacting with other characters? I would like to get to know Prettyboy a bit better.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 30, 2009 12:33:30 GMT -5
I was hoping for that Dex would fall for Lucas, but this scenario seems to be very unlikely to happen now. So, Noud. Hm. I know way too little about Prettyboy's personal history and have seen him only in few short scenes with Lucas and at the party being very angry and impolite to poor Dex. So, I'm afraid that I need to see/know more of him before I can jump on the Noucas bandwagon. But since any m/m romance on TV is a good thing, so be it. Are there any subtitled clips of Noud interacting with other characters? I would like to get to know Prettyboy a bit better. Poor Dex? Ok I admit that Dex has some things to work out and I wish the best for him. Because I have seen him be a good guy and I hope that he can find peace. And perhaps get back together with Nina and maybe be friends with Lucas. But from what I heard Dex and Noud haven't always gotten along back when Noud was on the show earlier. And as far as Noud had know at that point, Dex had been horrible to Lucas and Nina and just broken up with him. So I'm guessing Noud just wanted to protect his friends from Dex who was getting into a fight with Nina. So at the time all Noud saw was an angry Dex getting into a very heated argument with two other party guests. And that everything had been happy and cheerful before Dex showed up.
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Post by esmi on Nov 30, 2009 12:58:38 GMT -5
Ok I'm curious who here wants Lucas with Dex or with Noud? Oops. Seems to me that I gave above the wrong answer to that question.
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 30, 2009 14:01:55 GMT -5
I think we have to remember that Lucas, Nina and Noud don't know the stuff about Dex that we the viewers know. So we have to see Dex from their perspective and from their perspective, Dex is being a horses ass all over the place and hurting people and physically assaulting Lucas once (and threatening to regularly) and sabotaging Lucas's work, etc with the only excuse being that he hates gays. Obviously Nina and Lucas THINK something else might be underneath but they don't know for sure and Dex is hiding behind such thick walls that Lucas and Nina are just getting bruised and battered in the process of trying to reach him. Noud obviously is very fond of Lucas and Nina and it was HIS party to which Dex was not invited so he had every right to ask Dex to leave and to feel protective of Lucas and Nina. Have we forgotten the "Lucas's face smashed against the bar by Dex" vision that was Noud's first sighting of Lucas and Dex when he returned? As for the romance, I can't think of any way in which the writers could bring Lucas and Dex around to falling in love that wouldn't take like 6 months to get there. Whereas, I feel like Noud is already at least "bicurious" . This was particularly telling in the scene where Lucas drags Noud into the house and up to his room so he can get ready for them to go out clubbing. The way Noud responded to Lucas's attention was very much like that of someone who was attracted, despite himself. As long as we don't have to go through 87 kinds of self-hate and denial and violence, I could easily see Noud wanting to explore new feelings with Lucas. I'm excited for this because hopefully there would be some actual romance and lots of on-screen loving and sweetness (even with all the inevitable struggles that will ensue)
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Post by Nitty on Nov 30, 2009 18:42:54 GMT -5
I'm so on team Loud or Noucas or whatever you wanna call them! ;D
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Post by Hawthorne on Nov 30, 2009 20:48:18 GMT -5
I don't know if I would go so far as to call Noud bi-curious. Bi-comfortable? Bi-sure, why not? To me he seemed surprised and slightly uncomfortable when Lucas grabbed his arm. I think there just haven't been enough scenes between them to reveal if Noud has a budding attraction to Lucas. It's clear that he thinks Lucas is a cool guy to hang out with. If they're going to share a kiss this week, the scene will have to be very well done to be believable, IMO, because the show hasn't really laid the groundwork for Noud being anything but completely straight.
I've wanted Noud for Lucas ever since that arm grabbing scene. They were just so cute together in the scene.
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 30, 2009 20:57:57 GMT -5
Well I've only seen Noud in scenes with Lucas and I never watched the show before Lucas came on so I've never actually seen him do anything particularly "straight" either. And we still don't know why he broke up with his girlfriend which everyone seemed to be very surprised about and I can't help but feel suspicious about that. Though I won't speculate that it's actually related, I just found the lack of explanation to be very pointed.
I think you could be curious about what it would be like to be with someone of the same sex your whole life and maybe never act on it but just feel "open" to it should the situation ever occur.
I think many people (men and women) feel that way even if they don't voice it.
I think that is a much more common reality then men and women reaching the age of 25 or older and all of a sudden being attracted to someone of the same sex without the though having ever occurred to them and never having felt any same-sex attraction in the past.
I don't know anything about Noud other than what Mark has shared and what I've seen and I still feel like they way he relates to Lucas is like Alice and the white rabbit: cautiously curious but willing to go along for the ride and see what happens.
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Post by stl29tide on Nov 30, 2009 21:40:17 GMT -5
^^^^^You really just pulled an Alice reference? I never would have even thought about relating it to that. Huh. I think you're kind of awesome. Kudos to you.
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Post by cheerios on Dec 1, 2009 3:43:22 GMT -5
I think Noud is more bi than he is gay. The fact that he won't say what happen between his girlfriend and him in Australia is sending up red flags for me. I do think that someone is capable of being mildly attractive to someone of the same sex and never acting on it. But I think Lucas might be the boy that Noud is willing to see what it could be like with.
They just click and get along so well together. Noud I think would least acknowledge that he thinks Lucas is attractive.
Noud just comes across as so laid back to start with that I don't see him having a melt down if he starts to have a thing with Lucas.
I see him acting more like the coming outs of Christian and Ulli from VL. Sure they had there moments of denial, but they didn't act like it was the end of the world. And when they came out to everyone and when they were completely comfortable with who they were. They completely embrace being in a gay relationship and see happier and lighter.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 1, 2009 9:23:57 GMT -5
So the latest spoilers... They're confusing me so much! ;D So Lucas enjoys an intimate moment with Noud but in a later spoiler Noud tries to play matchmaker for Lucas... I think Lucas will have feelings for Noud, but that Noud is oblivious to it or something like that.... I love and hate vague spoilers at the same time!
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 1, 2009 11:06:38 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the spoilers, Mark. And the translations too, of course.
They don't seem so vague to me. Trying to set Lucas up with another guy strikes me as just Noud's way of trying to escape from the whole situation. Apparently he's going to go through the ritualistic period of denial - only in his own Noud-like way. Lucas will be offended and hurt, I'm sure. Also, sounds like Nina is going to try to help Lucas with Noud.
Pretty exciting spoilers!
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Dec 1, 2009 11:51:21 GMT -5
It's actually only the last spoiler that is a little confusing to me. The "Noud has no idea what she (Nina) is talking about" part.
Maybe Noud doesn't realize he has feelings for Lucas? Or what those feelins mean? Or maybe Nina's 'interrogation' is just too vague for him to understand. ;D
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Post by dutchfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:00:21 GMT -5
Now I just have to get the mental image of all the girls Noud has slept with out of my head. Anna, Nina, Desi, Florien....
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