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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 19, 2014 3:09:52 GMT -5
Hey, Mark. Do you have any stories about working with Ruud? My impression is that he's the kind of person who gets along with everyone and everyone respects and likes him. Is that what you found? Is he warm and open or more reserved and private?
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Aug 19, 2014 15:23:00 GMT -5
He's a really down to earth guy. Easy to talk to. Just a nice guy.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 19, 2014 17:51:51 GMT -5
Thanks! That's how he comes across in interviews. Actors like Ruud have long and rewarding careers in the entertainment industry because, in addition to being talented, they are enjoyable to work with. There's lots of talented actors in the industry who never get much work because people don't enjoy working with them.
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Post by dmagiclight on Sept 10, 2014 10:55:28 GMT -5
hAVE NOT SEEN LUCAS IN A LONG TIME
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 17, 2014 5:38:46 GMT -5
What's this about Ferry doing B&B? Any details?
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 18, 2014 0:33:05 GMT -5
B&B is going to film 5 episodes in Amsterdam next month. During that same period there's a big fan event here, organized by RTL (they air B&B here). Ferry is going to play a Dutch PR guy for Forrester Creations.
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 23, 2014 15:45:16 GMT -5
Part 592Episode 4890: Bing is furious at Lucas. And Ludo.
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Post by Hawthorne on Sept 23, 2014 17:19:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark! Things are getting very intense for Lucas.
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Post by Hawthorne on Sept 26, 2014 7:03:15 GMT -5
So far this season, Noud just seems to be on the periphery of other people's stories - mainly Nina's. Maybe he won't get his own story until Lucas returns from New York. I really want to see Noud get a new girlfriend - someone who makes Nina jealous. I'd like to see Noud become more successful, too. Maybe Lucas can help him expand his business.
Mark, what's the situation with Lucas and Dansatoria? Is Lucas still half owner?
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 26, 2014 7:45:39 GMT -5
In the episodes I'm uploading he's still half owner but... SPOILER!!! At the end of last season he decided that he no longer wanted to work with Bing because he let Lucas take all the blame for the boat accident. He sold his half to Ludo. That's how eventually Bing lost his half as well. He had no choice but to sell it. If I remember it correctly the city of Meerdijk wanted to turn Dansatoria into a parking garage.
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Post by francescavl on Sept 27, 2014 14:50:22 GMT -5
So, I've just spent the last 3 days obsessively catching up (I hadn't watched since Bilal left). I kinda fell in love with Menno, and while highly dubious about the chances of the Lucas/Menno marriage lasting long term due to their completely different personalities, I would never have expected the storyline to take the direction it did. I've only watched up to when Menno gets suspended for 2 weeks.... but I've read what happens later. I'm completely upset, and I hate that they went for the abuse route. Hate it. I'm not even sure I want to continue watching, to be honest. I wish I spoke even a little Dutch, because I love this show (even though I'm very angry with it right now). If I could I would watch the whole episodes, because unlike most other soaps where I'm only interested in the gay characters/storylines, here I find all the characters and storylines interesting!! Thanks Mark for bringing at least part of it to us foreign people!!!
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 27, 2014 15:41:13 GMT -5
I think the show handled the abuse story really well. There wasn't a magical happy ending. I think that was the right thing to do. Even though it was sad to see Dave Mantel go. By the way, I will upload another episode tonight.
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Post by francescavl on Sept 27, 2014 15:58:58 GMT -5
I think the show handled the abuse story really well. There wasn't a magical happy ending. I think that was the right thing to do. Even though it was sad to see Dave Mantel go. By the way, I will upload another episode tonight. I'm sure they handled it well, and that the writing/acting was top notch as usual. I just hate that they chose to make Menno a wife(husband) beater and the Menno/Lucas romance a story about domestic abuse. A magical happy ending wouldn't have been needed if they hadn't written such a depressing storyline in the first place.... it was the writers' deliberate choice. I was looking forward to finding out more about Menno; they could have done many interesting dark storylines without going down the spousal abuse road (they could have revealed that Menno was schizophrenic or bipolar, for exampe, or whatever). I just really liked Menno and what they did with his charater was pretty much the last thing I would have wanted, so even if the storyline was qualitatively the best ever, it still wouldn't sit well with me at all. Very disappointing for me (I wish I had spoiled myself in advance, at least I would have had different expectations). But it's not my show, of course!! I can only accept what they do. Looking forward to your next update... I'm catching up, afterall. I think I'll be up to speed by tonight!!
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 27, 2014 18:49:38 GMT -5
So...I said I was going to upload tonight... But something came up and then I forgot about it. Oops. Tomorrow then!
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Post by GTSTfanMark on Sept 28, 2014 15:25:01 GMT -5
Part 593Episode 4891: Lucas doesn’t notice Menno is getting more and more fed up.
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Post by francescavl on Sept 28, 2014 16:37:54 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark!!! And...
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Post by Hawthorne on Sept 28, 2014 20:49:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there's much, much worse to come for Lucas in the near future. If the sight of Lucas suffering causes you sorrow, try focusing on the Lucas-Noud aspect of the story, which becomes increasingly pronounced from this point forward. This is a story about a gay man suffering spousal abuse, but it is also a story about how those who love him respond to it. It's a story about friendship. True friendship. So that part is uplifting. Wasn't it sweet when Noud asked Lucas if there was something he could help him with? There are many great Lucas-Noud moments like that to come in the remaining episodes, so if you're a fan of their friendship I encourage you to stick with the story.
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Post by francescavl on Sept 29, 2014 17:37:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there's much, much worse to come for Lucas in the near future. If the sight of Lucas suffering causes you sorrow, try focusing on the Lucas-Noud aspect of the story, which becomes increasingly pronounced from this point forward. This is a story about a gay man suffering spousal abuse, but it is also a story about how those who love him respond to it. It's a story about friendship. True friendship. So that part is uplifting. Wasn't it sweet when Noud asked Lucas if there was something he could help him with? There are many great Lucas-Noud moments like that to come in the remaining episodes, so if you're a fan of their friendship I encourage you to stick with the story. I'll try!!
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 29, 2014 19:34:57 GMT -5
Let me jist add that it's not just Noud. Lucas' mother and sister also play a role in helping him cope with this situation.
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Post by Hawthorne on Sept 30, 2014 13:01:51 GMT -5
Let me jist add that it's not just Noud. Lucas' mother and sister also play a role in helping him cope with this situation. Yeah, Nina and Janine get involved after Noud makes them aware of what's going on. They're Lucas' family so they had to become involved at some point, but Noud is the focus of this aspect of the story, IMO.
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Post by francescavl on Sept 30, 2014 13:53:24 GMT -5
I had the urge to rewatch the beginning of Lucas' story (his arrival on the show, the crush on Noud, Marco, etc), and luckily it's still on You Tube (which I was very suprised to find out).
How come?? Why is that part allowed to stay on YT, while Mark had to remove the Lucas/Edwin story, and currently is allowed to upload the episodes exclusively on FB, as special concession from the show??
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 30, 2014 15:23:08 GMT -5
Let me jist add that it's not just Noud. Lucas' mother and sister also play a role in helping him cope with this situation. Yeah, Nina and Janine get involved after Noud makes them aware of what's going on. They're Lucas' family so they had to become involved at some point, but Noud is the focus of this aspect of the story, IMO. The reason that Noud got involved is because he notices what’s going on first. And he only gets to do that because he lived with Menno and Lucas (That and Noud didn’t have a story line of his own). So there were things he saw and heard that Lucas couldn’t cover. While his relationship with Lucas is important, it by no means is the focus of the story from hear on. The focus is how domestic abuse can be and often times is hidden by the abused, how someone who is as supremely confident, out, proud and vocal as Lucas can still fall victim to abuse. It’s about how someone can honestly love you and still hurt you in ways you never thought possible. It’s about how love and fear can cloud a person’s judgment, and leave them vulnerable in ways they never dared imagine they would be. It’s about how when you can’t see things clearly for yourself, it’s up to family and friends to help open your eyes. And while Noud, Janine, and Nina help, in the end it was up to Lucas to save himself. It was also about not making Menno a stereotypical abuser as most soaps like to do. And how an otherwise good man can do such horrible things. IMO
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Post by Hawthorne on Sept 30, 2014 18:03:41 GMT -5
I never said that Noud was the focus of the story, just the focus of "this aspect of the story" - the aspect that deals with how the people who care about Lucas discover and react to him being beaten. And it's not just because Noud lives with Lucas. In an earlier episode set at De Koning we saw how Noud immediately sensed that something was off with Lucas. Noud is in tune with what's going on with Lucas. Nobody else at De Koning noticed this. Neither does anyone else who lives with Lucas detect that something bad is happening.
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Post by francescavl on Oct 3, 2014 11:00:01 GMT -5
So, I couldn't wait any longer, and despite not speaking any Dutch I decided to watch the rest of the storyline on the RTL site. It took me a couple of days but I finally got to the end this morning. Of course I understood about 1% of what was said, and that was immensely frustrating (especially when it comes to the Lucas/Menno scenes), but I was generally able to guess what was being discussed in a scene. I think the actors did an amazing job. Ferry and Dave were fantastic, they gave heartfelt and nuanced performances, which were the best part of the storyline (and they allowed me to know perfectly what they were feeling even though I couldn't understand the dialogues). I think that, after being built up for so long, their storyline was wrapped up way too quickly, and I was underwhelmed. It felt a bit rushed to me, and totally unfinished. It looked like they were in a rush to get rid of Menno and Lucas' marriage. Also, I still don't agree with the show's decision to turn the first gay marriage in a Dutch soap (as opposed to the hundreds of straight ones, I guess) into a domestic abuse storyline. That's terrible ratio. If this had been some years in the future and there had been many other gay weddings, I could have approved the choice of exploring the issue of gay domestic violence. But to use the first one (and what a sweet wedding it had been) and ruin it this way and get rid of it so quickly is something I'll never agree with. How about some positive depiction, for once? Also, it seems that no partner of Lucas can last for more than a season, or even less, as Edwin, Bilal and Menno have demonstrated. Why couldn't they make Menno a stable partner for Lucas? Anyway, what's done is done. I wish Menno was coming back in the future, having worked out his issues. However, it's unlikely... and whatever is next for Lucas I won't be able to watch, unless some kind soul translates it (or gives me an intensive Dutch course!!) As for the other storylines: - WTF is wrong with Rikki?? Girl, you are crazy. I hope the truth comes out and Anton is cleared of her sick accusations. - I didn't understand anything that went on with Bing (why was he in prison, while Lucas wasn't?? Why did Aysen want to shoot him before breaking down in tears?? Why is he always so damn angry all the time? etc) but one thing I understood: he is always an ass*ole!!! - Can someone explain to me the deal with Tim?? Why was he staying at the old man's house for so long?? Had he initially lost his memory, by any chance?? And why did the old man (who is he?) start keeping Tim prisoner and preventing Sjors and Anton from finding him?? And why did he just let him go, in the end?? I'm totally about the whole thing, so thanks to anyone who can satisfy my curiosity!
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Post by Hawthorne on Oct 3, 2014 19:38:31 GMT -5
Also, it seems that no partner of Lucas can last for more than a season, or even less, as Edwin, Bilal and Menno have demonstrated. I think that the writers might bring Edwin back at some point. Yes, I'm being serious. I've joked about this in the past, but now I'm being serious. I know what you're thinking. How? Well, on a soap things like this are possible. GTST has brought other characters back from death. Ludo, for example. In fact, miraculous return from presumed mortality is a soap staple. In general, it's always a possibility unless something was shown that explicitly makes it impossible. For example, a few years ago a soap had a character die while rescuing someone from a frozen pond. A shot of this character frozen to death beneath the ice was shown. That character was definitely dead with no possibility of ever reappearing on the show. No scene like that was shown for Edwin. It's true that we did see Edwin's body laid out in the Bouwhuis home. There was, however, a moment during those scenes when you could see Edwin take a breath. OK, that was Raynor the actor breathing, not Edwin, you might say. It was an acting flub that managed to make it into the broadcast episode. Well, it's a flub until the point when the writers decide to use it to help them bring Edwin back. It's possible the flub was deliberately included in the scene, but even if it wasn't, it exists as something that can be exploited by the writers. It's a tiny thread of an opening, but it's enough. Compare a scene where the dead character is shown frozen in ice with a scene where the "dead" character is laid out for viewing and takes a breath. The latter scene leaves possibilities for the writers whereas the former scene closes off all possibilities. I don't think all possibilities have been closed off for Edwin. Of course, if Edwin is alive there must be a conspiracy involved. Someone must have orchestrated things so that he didn't get buried alive. That person, I believe, would almost certainly be Anton. Consider the following: - Anton was an administrator and doctor in the hospital where Edwin died. In a murder mystery this would be the equivalent to having opportunity.
- Anton had the serum to kill Edwin's virus. In a murder mystery this would be the equivalent to having means.
- Anton is a sufficiently dark character to have perpetrated a massive and cruel deception. Although it was shown that he accepted Edwin as gay, it's certainly possible that he never actually accepted it and continued to blame Lucas for "turning" Edwin gay. In a murder mystery this would be the equivalent to having motive.
- Anton had a muted, calm reaction to Edwin's death.
In this scenario, Anton used his authority and access within the hospital to have Edwin revived and injected with the serum after everyone had accepted that he'd died. Real people have actually been revived up to an hour or so after they've died so this is not medically impossible. If it's not impossible in real life, it's certainly not impossible on a soap. After Edwin was revived, Anton could have realized that he had an opportunity to get Edwin away from Lucas. So he faked Edwin's death with a medically-induced coma and swapped bodies into the casket that got buried. The breath we saw Edwin take was actually Edwin still breathing. (I don't think that scene is still available online but as I recall it, the breath is visible in a scene with Edwin in the foreground as everyone else was busy talking in the background and not paying attention to the body.) Edwin may have ended up in a coma or perhaps he suffered memory damage from the late resuscitation and Anton took advantage of this to set Edwin up in a new life elsewhere far away from Lucas. It's far-fetched, of course, but every back from the death story in a soap is far-fetched. The point I want to make is that the elements exist for the writers to weave together a back from the death story for Edwin. Actually, the available elements are pretty good as these situations go. Edwin died in a hospital that his father had some control in. His father is a doctor who had the serum. His father had a rationale for trying to make everyone think he was dead. I'm not saying it's likely to happen or that I see signs that it's going to happen, but the possibility is there, I believe.
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