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Post by amber80 on May 17, 2008 7:30:30 GMT -5
I hope so too... I really liked the JPC story line to be honest. In general I never expect very realistic stories; after all they are soaps and realistic stories do tend to get a bit boring because to make it realistic you would have to take things a lot slower. JPC kept me on the edge on my seat and had me interested till the end, so yeah, I liked it... ;D (And I still think they had great chemistry together )
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Post by carld2 on May 17, 2008 17:29:52 GMT -5
McDean had their moments, usually in the quieter scenes between them. The reason I've become jaded on them is because so much of what we hear John Paul criticized for now (immaturity, being about his sexuality, being in an unrealistic story) was also true then. If people said, "I wish he could have a more mature storyline than his last one," or, "They're trying to cash in on the first story", I might agree with that, but the implication that the McDean story was any more mature or realistic or positive than the current story is where I disagree.
I thought Craig treated John Paul terribly most of their relationship and it's usually forgotten because of the big dramatic scene where JP left him at the airport.
I think the McDean story was better paced and the show treated it as being an important story, which I haven't felt this time around. I also wish they'd given John Paul a completely different story instead of another secret affair. But some of the reaction to this story just makes me wonder exactly how different the McDean I saw was than the version some other people obviously saw.
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Post by ysatis on May 18, 2008 4:38:23 GMT -5
I think the McDean story was better paced and the show treated it as being an important story, which I haven't felt this time around. I also wish they'd given John Paul a completely different story instead of another secret affair. But some of the reaction to this story just makes me wonder exactly how different the McDean I saw was than the version some other people obviously saw. ITA. JP and Craig affair was one of the main SL and we saw them everyday of the week several weeks in a row. McPriest on the contrary has been very sporadic. The fact that Kieron is a priest makes this whole relationship look very unrealistic. McDean was a friendship, first love, coming of age and coming out story. I still don't know what McPriest is about besides a big scandal in the making. Adding on, Kieron and JP are physically mismatched. Kieron is so "massive" that he makes JP look like a twink.
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Post by amber80 on May 18, 2008 5:13:13 GMT -5
I just see it as JP having moved on: his first love was with a boy and now he's fallen in love with a man. Times and people change. And I don't get why people should match physically to make a loving couple. My brother is very tall and my sister-in-law is very short; it was a little bit funny at first ('funny' jokes about her needing something to stand on ), but in the end it doesn't matter at all.
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Post by blueocean80 on May 18, 2008 9:36:07 GMT -5
The look on John Paul's face and Kieron's face after they both admitted they'd told Steph and Niall respectively that they loved the other person was cute as was their eagerness to leave the pub after that admission. Then JP had to ruin it by telling Mercedes. OY. That's exactly what I was thinking. Why did he open his mouth? If he were more mature, he wouldn't have taken the bait. Grah! The happy moment lasted what? 30 seconds? Pfft! Off to watch some Ollian now
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Post by Bonobochick on May 18, 2008 12:57:55 GMT -5
I think the McDean story was better paced and the show treated it as being an important story, which I haven't felt this time around. I also wish they'd given John Paul a completely different story instead of another secret affair. But some of the reaction to this story just makes me wonder exactly how different the McDean I saw was than the version some other people obviously saw. ITA. JP and Craig affair was one of the main SL and we saw them everyday of the week several weeks in a row. McPriest on the contrary has been very sporadic. The fact that Kieron is a priest makes this whole relationship look very unrealistic. McDean was a friendship, first love, coming of age and coming out story. I still don't know what McPriest is about besides a big scandal in the making. Adding on, Kieron and JP are physically mismatched. Kieron is so "massive" that he makes JP look like a twink. If Kieron's massive then someone please smother me with that amount of man. re McDean: I still love them and can watch the clips with total pleasure but as soon as someone says they're a big McDean fan, I automatically get wary cause of the obsessiveness of some fans who must have their Sunset Ending no matter what. To the point of ridiculing anyone who thinks differently from them and making EVERY SINGLE THING JOHN PAUL DOES BE ABOUT CRAIG (caps lock of rage). Ugh. And way for them to kill it for those who love McDean but are tired of those obsessed with the story. McDean was first love, possibly true love but it may not be ever-after love. Sometimes that happens but only time will tell. I find that people whining "where's Craig?" 24/7 doesn't change things especially if Guy decides not to come back even for a few episodes which would be silly considering it would take more than an episode or two to show that Craig has grown up & dealt with the issues that made it impossible for he & JP to be together the first time around. McDean was lucky in that it got great closure with the possibility of a reunion for the characters depending on a number of factors. A lot of love stories don't have that. Also, I think those obsessed with Guy B & the Sunset Ending are remembering some things differently than they happened; that they're forgetting a lot of shit that Craig pulled with both JP and with Sarah. White-washing a lot of bad moments to prop up "their" pairing but in doing that forgetting what made the love story so compelling is that it was very realistic, warts and all. I like both pairings but they're so different. McDean was beautifully told and angsty but you knew there was love. McHobbs is sweet yet tormented but you can see the love there too. It's ok to like/love both pairings. It doesn't have to be an "either/or" situation.
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Post by amber80 on May 18, 2008 13:02:31 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more... That's exactly how I feel about it! I love McDean and McPriest!
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Post by blueocean80 on May 18, 2008 13:15:27 GMT -5
Well said, Bonobochick! That's exactly what I think too. It's just...I'm weary too and I'm not even *into* the fandom like you. As I already mentioned to a friend (*coughs*), sometimes certain die-hard McDeaners makes me wish Craig would never come back. Just to spite them all. And I loved and still love JP/C.
Exactly! *nods* To think that non-American movies and shows more often than not do NOT have a happy ending, that's saying something. The possibility of a reunion is more than we can hope for, imho.
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Post by nahuela on May 18, 2008 13:39:48 GMT -5
Well said Bonobochick. I agree with you 100%!
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Post by Bonobochick on May 18, 2008 14:44:31 GMT -5
I just really felt the need to get that off of my chest. I am glad others feel like I do about it. *group hug*
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Post by amber80 on May 18, 2008 14:57:04 GMT -5
I'm not far from thinking in smileys I'm afraid.
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Post by crado on May 18, 2008 15:30:30 GMT -5
Hi Bonobochick,
I agree with you 100 % and I really believe that the big, but most silent majority feel exactly the same..
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 19, 2008 8:59:31 GMT -5
B-chick - Thank you for posting the below. I just find it very interesting, that ysatis constantly comes over to this JPK thread to talk about how much she/he just loves JPC (and hates John-Paul with Kieron), while there is a stagnant JPC thread on this very same forum. There has to be some reason as to why ysatis comes over here to post his/her thoughts? He or She is not going to change the minds of the posters/viewers that DO like the pairing. Just like I'm not going to change his/her mind about getting over her obession with JPC and the Sunset Ending. ITA. JP and Craig affair was one of the main SL and we saw them everyday of the week several weeks in a row. McPriest on the contrary has been very sporadic. The fact that Kieron is a priest makes this whole relationship look very unrealistic. McDean was a friendship, first love, coming of age and coming out story. I still don't know what McPriest is about besides a big scandal in the making. Adding on, Kieron and JP are physically mismatched. Kieron is so "massive" that he makes JP look like a twink. If Kieron's massive then someone please smother me with that amount of man. re McDean: I still love them and can watch the clips with total pleasure but as soon as someone says they're a big McDean fan, I automatically get wary cause of the obsessiveness of some fans who must have their Sunset Ending no matter what. To the point of ridiculing anyone who thinks differently from them and making EVERY SINGLE THING JOHN PAUL DOES BE ABOUT CRAIG (caps lock of rage). Ugh. And way for them to kill it for those who love McDean but are tired of those obsessed with the story. McDean was first love, possibly true love but it may not be ever-after love. Sometimes that happens but only time will tell. I find that people whining "where's Craig?" 24/7 doesn't change things especially if Guy decides not to come back even for a few episodes which would be silly considering it would take more than an episode or two to show that Craig has grown up & dealt with the issues that made it impossible for he & JP to be together the first time around. McDean was lucky in that it got great closure with the possibility of a reunion for the characters depending on a number of factors. A lot of love stories don't have that. Also, I think those obsessed with Guy B & the Sunset Ending are remembering some things differently than they happened; that they're forgetting a lot of shit that Craig pulled with both JP and with Sarah. White-washing a lot of bad moments to prop up "their" pairing but in doing that forgetting what made the love story so compelling is that it was very realistic, warts and all. I like both pairings but they're so different. McDean was beautifully told and angsty but you knew there was love. McHobbs is sweet yet tormented but you can see the love there too. It's ok to like/love both pairings. It doesn't have to be an "either/or" situation.
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Post by ysatis on May 19, 2008 11:26:56 GMT -5
B-chick - Thank you for posting the below. I just find it very interesting, that ysatis constantly comes over to this JPK thread to talk about how much she/he just loves JPC (and hates John-Paul with Kieron), while there is a stagnant JPC thread on this very same forum. There has to be some reason as to why ysatis comes over here to post his/her thoughts? He or She is not going to change the minds of the posters/viewers that DO like the pairing. Just like I'm not going to change his/her mind about getting over her obession with JPC and the Sunset Ending. If Kieron's massive then someone please smother me with that amount of man. re McDean: I still love them and can watch the clips with total pleasure but as soon as someone says they're a big McDean fan, I automatically get wary cause of the obsessiveness of some fans who must have their Sunset Ending no matter what. To the point of ridiculing anyone who thinks differently from them and making EVERY SINGLE THING JOHN PAUL DOES BE ABOUT CRAIG (caps lock of rage). Ugh. And way for them to kill it for those who love McDean but are tired of those obsessed with the story. McDean was first love, possibly true love but it may not be ever-after love. Sometimes that happens but only time will tell. I find that people whining "where's Craig?" 24/7 doesn't change things especially if Guy decides not to come back even for a few episodes which would be silly considering it would take more than an episode or two to show that Craig has grown up & dealt with the issues that made it impossible for he & JP to be together the first time around. McDean was lucky in that it got great closure with the possibility of a reunion for the characters depending on a number of factors. A lot of love stories don't have that. Also, I think those obsessed with Guy B & the Sunset Ending are remembering some things differently than they happened; that they're forgetting a lot of shit that Craig pulled with both JP and with Sarah. White-washing a lot of bad moments to prop up "their" pairing but in doing that forgetting what made the love story so compelling is that it was very realistic, warts and all. I like both pairings but they're so different. McDean was beautifully told and angsty but you knew there was love. McHobbs is sweet yet tormented but you can see the love there too. It's ok to like/love both pairings. It doesn't have to be an "either/or" situation.No need to make it personal. As far as I know i've only stated my opinion about JP's CURRENT story. I do not like McPriest and I think I'm entitled to voice my point of view. I have never bashed any characters, actors or posters. I'm not here to start a McPriest vs McDean war.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 19, 2008 11:53:00 GMT -5
No need to make it personal. As far as I know i've only stated my opinion about JP's CURRENT story. I do not like McPriest and I think I'm entitled to voice my point of view. I have never bashed any characters, actors or posters. I'm not here to start a McPriest vs McDean war. I actually wasn't making it personal. Sorry if it came across that way. In all honesty, I posted my thoughts, while attaching it to your comment, after seeing various comments on the Gays of Daytime blog on the last few Hollyoaks posts that basically could be summed up with "Where's Craig?". After months of reading whining and more than a few delusional posts on other boards, it was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I am so so SO tired of the whining and the obsessive nature of some people when it comes to McDean that I felt compelled to say something. I don't have a problem if you don't like JP/K... different strokes and all... I think my main concern is when people try to make folks feel badly who do like JP/K. That's why I said that it is ok to like both pairings as there are some on this forum, myself included, who love/like McDean but are also total fans of McHobbs. And also like me, they are just very tired of basically being told the equivalent that it is "wrong" or "stupid" of them to like McHobbs and that they should only care or want the reunion of McDean. It's an ideology that it is all about the Sunset Ending and nothing else matters, which simply does not work for me. The character of John Paul matters to me as does the character of Kieron, so for me, I want more than just drumming on and on about the Sunset Ending. I want to see McHobbs and that love story. You're definitely entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else. There is no war here.
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Post by ysatis on May 19, 2008 12:18:43 GMT -5
No need to make it personal. As far as I know i've only stated my opinion about JP's CURRENT story. I do not like McPriest and I think I'm entitled to voice my point of view. I have never bashed any characters, actors or posters. I'm not here to start a McPriest vs McDean war. I actually wasn't making it personal. Sorry if it came across that way. In all honesty, I posted my thoughts, while attaching it to your comment, after seeing various comments on the Gays of Daytime blog on the last few Hollyoaks posts that basically could be summed up with "Where's Craig?". After months of reading whining and more than a few delusional posts on other boards, it was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I am so so SO tired of the whining and the obsessive nature of some people when it comes to McDean that I felt compelled to say something. I don't have a problem if you don't like JP/K... different strokes and all... I think my main concern is when people try to make folks feel badly who do like JP/K. That's why I said that it is ok to like both pairings as there are some on this forum, myself included, who love/like McDean but are also total fans of McHobbs. And also like me, they are just very tired of basically being told the equivalent that it is "wrong" or "stupid" of them to like McHobbs and that they should only care or want the reunion of McDean. It's an ideology that it is all about the Sunset Ending and nothing else matters, which simply does not work for me. The character of John Paul matters to me as does the character of Kieron, so for me, I want more than just drumming on and on about the Sunset Ending. I want to see McHobbs and that love story. You're definitely entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else. There is no war here. My post wasn't for you but for dkellergrl2001
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Post by Bonobochick on May 19, 2008 12:28:30 GMT -5
My post wasn't for you but for dkellergrl2001 Ah, well... let's everyone on here be respectful when having a disagreement.
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Post by quan87 on May 19, 2008 12:45:48 GMT -5
Hey, newbie here, and I just wants to say I agree with everything Bonobochick said yesterday. I'm a McPriest and McDean fan, and I get sick and tire of the fandoms little post about bashing each pairing. It makes me not want to go on certain sites. I get tire of hearing. "I can't wait for Kieron to die", well I can't wait either, because maybe they will finally shut up on saying the same things over and over again. It is not just McDean, I get tire McPriest fans as well on how they think how awful Craig is. It's like we can't come together on some agreement, and the fans of the two pairings, can't see or won't see that there are actually fans of both and not just one of the other.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 19, 2008 13:06:54 GMT -5
Hey, newbie here, and I just wants to say I agree with everything Bonobochick said yesterday. I'm a McPriest and McDean fan, and I get sick and tire of the fandoms little post about bashing each pairing. It makes me not want to go on certain sites. I get tire of hearing. "I can't wait for Kieron to die", well I can't wait either, because maybe they will finally shut up on saying the same things over and over again. It is not just McDean, I get tire McPriest fans as well on how they think how awful Craig is. It's like we can't come together on some agreement, and the fans of the two pairings, can't see or won't see that there are actually fans of both and not just one of the other. I haven't seen the McHobbs bashers as much as the McDean bashers but I am not surprised. *sigh* People do tend to feel strongly about these things. I know that there will never be "peace" on the matter, per se, but there should be respect from both sides. You don't have to like but other people should be allowed to like them. Sadly, no fandom seems immune to this type of drama. Gah, this is taking me back to the days of QAF-USA and that's not a good memory. ETA: AE has a clip of Friday's E4 ep up with great commentary: www.afterelton.com/blog/snicks/hollyoaks-video-clip-5-19-the-After-it-hits-the-fan-update
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Post by valso on May 19, 2008 14:26:54 GMT -5
I totally agree with what's been said till now, but I should confess I find extremely annoying the McDeaners, I've always loved both pairing but lately thanks to them I started to hope that John Paul will end up with Kieron. And Bonobochick I know exactly what you meant about your comment on QAF-USA
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Post by g73t on May 19, 2008 14:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 19, 2008 14:51:25 GMT -5
Today's episode looks so fantastic, but I've got to wait until I get home from work to view the clip. I liked how the episode opened with Kieron and John-Paul "mirroring" their dilemma over what happened in Friday's episode.
Oh, damn. Today's clip was amazing. James and Jake utterly NAILED John-Paul and Kieron's heartbreak.
G73T - Have you forwarded the clip to Snicks at AE yet?
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Post by ysatis on May 19, 2008 15:17:27 GMT -5
And what about keeping what happens on other boards away from this board? I don't care if there are McDean vs McPriest wars going on other boards, there is no need to bring that here.
Let's talk about the show and avoid personal attacks on posters for the mere reason that they root for a certain couple.
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Post by g73t on May 19, 2008 15:20:57 GMT -5
G73T - Have you forwarded the clip to Snicks at AE yet? No I didn't
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 19, 2008 15:22:13 GMT -5
I'll forward it to him then. G73T - Have you forwarded the clip to Snicks at AE yet? No I didn't
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