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Post by carld2 on May 30, 2008 18:49:23 GMT -5
I thought this was a new appearance. Maybe not.
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Post by jaymac74 on May 30, 2008 21:15:32 GMT -5
It was a new appearance - he had to be a guinea pig for them all to kiss !!!
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 7, 2008 22:39:29 GMT -5
Cakefan - I'm sorry that you couldn't end up with your own version of a Sunset Ending, but let's just say that if the show was able to get Guy to come back for more than a one-off and/or one-week return to the show (because, it's definitely going to take more time for the JP and Craig's issues to be focused on) and the writers still have JP choosing Kieron OR he ends up not being with anyone, would that be okay? I'm just thinking of OTHER options, besides having John-Paul ending up with Craig as the "only way he can leave Hollyoaks" for most viewers to see him having a "happy ending". VERY insightful post Macari. Especially the bit about the soulmates. I had one just like that when I was 19 - the JP/Craig storyline really hit a nerve with me for that reason and it really pisses me off when people (often gay) say the storyline wasn't realistic, that people don't turn gay like that and if they do they should admit to being gay already, not jp-sexual... To me - then a "confused" teenager - now somewhat more comfortable with the labelling and calling myself bi - that is always so hurtful. It is not a question of black or white. There are many shades of g(r)ay. The JP/C storyline showed this beautifully. And you, Macari, got to the bottom of it with the soulmate-remark. Sometimes it is better to let the soulmate go. I did. Attended her wedding years later. I skipped the ceremony, couldn't bear it. Looking at her dancing with her husband ripped my heart out. I wanted to be the one dancing with her, I wanted to be the one to ride away in the carriage with her. But I also knew that we'd 've made each other deeply unhappy. Some relationships are just too much. (teardrop falls down on the keyboard, sniff). I had always hoped for a SE for JP/C but I think your post might just make it possible for me to accept it if they don't. Not cakefan but to hijack your question - I'd be perfectly happy if JP left alone but I'd be shocked as hell if he left(definitively left) with Keiron cos IMO their relationship is doomed, as again IMO JP has shown us how he plays love and with Keiron thus far - it's lust. I accept that this may change and if/when I see a sincere declaration of love from JP to FK' face and not 'I think I love him' etc I may change my mind. I still don't think that FK is good for JP and agree withh JP's earlier statement along the lines that JP could have been anyone ie FK is ready to leave the church and embrace his identity as a gay man - he's just struggling to come to terms with that fact.
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Post by shanuti on Jun 8, 2008 12:33:47 GMT -5
I disagree that JP doesn't love Kieron; in fact I see between them what I saw between JP and Craig - except I feel that the two of them are both accepting of their feelings and willing to act on them - Craig wasn't. When it comes to it, it won't be a matter of love; I think JP loves both of them. It'll be a matter of who he thinks he can spend the rest of his life with. I think JP's unwilling to fully accept that he loves FK, although he certainly feels it and acts on it, because of what happened with Craig.
(Are we sure JP is leaving? I thought he has signed another 2 year contract. I may be wrong).
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Post by cakefan on Jun 10, 2008 4:22:44 GMT -5
I disagree that JP doesn't love Kieron; in fact I see between them what I saw between JP and Craig - except I feel that the two of them are both accepting of their feelings and willing to act on them - Craig wasn't. Eehm. "What we have between us, this can't stop", "I love you, Sarah, but I LOVE John Paul" "Mom, you don't get it, I don't WANT Sarah, I WANT John Paul" "It (the engagement) means nothing, it means I was too scared to admit it, I should have never asked her to marry me""I don't want Sarah, I want you and I don't want to waste any more of my life pretending. I love you. And I don't care who knows." "Thanks for sticking by me through all this JP" Craig certainly did accept his feelings and was willing to be with John Paul rather than Sarah. He wasn't willing to accept the label gay, nor should he have been in my opinion (as a bisexual woman I don't really accept the label lesbian, or at least that's not what I would call myself, ever. If people want to call me that then fine - this is something Craig would have to accept too, but you can't ask him to call himself that) He also wasn't ABLE (JP: "it's not that you won't, it's that you can't) to show affection for John Paul in public. but isn't that really hard for anyone who has just come out??? I think it WILL be a matter of love. He had feelings for both of them, but was still in love with Craig when he talked to Hannah. And Kris didn't believe he was over him. He says he thinks he loves Kieron but I think the "thinking"-bit is not a matter of reluctanly accepting it, rather of convincing himself of it. He loves Craig and noone else will ever be Craig, is what he said. It will be difficult because Kieron has given up so much for him. Perhaps Kieron loves him more than Craig does - that seems to be what a lot of people are thinking. But we haven't seen Craig in the past year, and apparently he comes back quite determined to get JP back. That sounds like he is willing to give JP what he needs... As James contract was due to end in June and Guy is coming back for a short stint in september, the SE being mentioned, I think we can safely say - unless we get reports (with source) that prove otherwise - there are strong reasons to believe he hasn't renewed.
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Post by shanuti on Jun 10, 2008 7:53:12 GMT -5
I disagree that Craig accepted his feelings for JP through it all. The point is, Craig wouldn't commit to John Paul. He wouldn't make that decision himself to leave Sarah for him - he had to be literally forced to be outed. I don't doubt he loved him, but he wasn't willing to admit to and face up to that love until he was forced to, in public or not. My view is that Kieron has given up a lot for JP - he's willing to give up what has practically been his life for years to be with JP, and is willing to risk utter rejection by everyone he knows and cares for to be with him. He's willing to make the commitment that Craig wasn't willing to. We know their relationship "goes serious" and that Kieron does make the decision to leave the church for JP - showing in some measure a level of commitment that I think Craig was unable, or unwilling to give. My opinion is that, if the ending is JP/K (which I hope it is), it will be JP making his commitment by saying no to Craig. Kieron has been willing to risk so much to be with JP, and stands to lose everything that has defined who he is to be with him. Craig coming back gives JP the opportunity to do the same, by "saying no" to his past and his first love. But that's just my view, of course. We could very well have a SE, athough I would probably forever hate the character of John Paul .
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Post by neand48 on Jun 10, 2008 9:10:19 GMT -5
My opinion is that, if the ending is JP/K (which I hope it is), it will be JP making his commitment by saying no to Craig. Kieron has been willing to risk so much to be with JP, and stands to lose everything that has defined who he is to be with him. Craig coming back gives JP the opportunity to do the same, by "saying no" to his past and his first love. But that's just my view, of course. We could very well have a SE, athough I would probably forever hate the character of John Paul . I agree with you wholeheartedly. I hope this story doesn't go the way Todd and Karl's did (you know what I mean. BTW, I too was enthralled by it.) Stupid question time: what's SE?
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Post by shanuti on Jun 10, 2008 10:40:44 GMT -5
SE stands for Sunset ending; the name given to the wished-for ending between Craig and JP where they leave Hollyoaks together.
(Todd and Karl were brilliant - there was such fantastic chemistry between them. The end was such a let down IMO, and totally unrealistic.)
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Post by neand48 on Jun 10, 2008 10:59:35 GMT -5
Thanks... I'll go to bed a smarter man. (OT I know, but I haven't erased my T&K tapes yet. Now how bad is that!!!) I can feel Bonobochick breathing down my neck. I'll switch to the Corrie Street Todd and Karl thread.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 10, 2008 11:22:23 GMT -5
I hope (and truly believe) that Bryan Kirkwood, will have given Craig the backbone and maturity that is needed for him to gain his way back into John-Paul's life. My view is that Kieron has given up a lot for JP - he's willing to give up what has practically been his life for years to be with JP, and is willing to risk utter rejection by everyone he knows and cares for to be with him. He's willing to make the commitment that Craig wasn't willing to. We know their relationship "goes serious" and that Kieron does make the decision to leave the church for JP - showing in some measure a level of commitment that I think Craig was unable, or unwilling to give.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 10, 2008 12:12:57 GMT -5
Thanks... I'll go to bed a smarter man. (OT I know, but I haven't erased my T&K tapes yet. Now how bad is that!!!) I can feel Bonobochick breathing down my neck. I'll switch to the Corrie Street Todd and Karl thread. I'm not that bad. I am more concerned about things getting wanky because of the return of GB to the show than the occassional off-topic comment.
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Post by cakefan on Jun 11, 2008 5:16:00 GMT -5
Now before I say anything I'd like to make clear that I like Kieron very much as a character. The writers mightn't have done a very good job at making the tension between his vows/place in the Church and his love for John Paul very real (I would have liked to see more moments of prayer and more convo's like the one with Kris after he and JP first had sex), but Kieron is a genuinely nice guy and he obviously loves John Paul. And although I am a fan of Craig as well, I do think he is a very flawed character, who was very manipulative in trying to avoid coming out. John Paul deserved to be treated better, that is for sure. Nevertheless, I think Craig and Kieron have a lot more in common that Shanuti thinks. I disagree that Craig accepted his feelings for JP through it all. The point is, Craig wouldn't commit to John Paul. He wouldn't make that decision himself to leave Sarah for him - he had to be literally forced to be outed. I don't doubt he loved him, but he wasn't willing to admit to and face up to that love until he was forced to, in public or not. But Kieron isn't willing to leave the Church either. He has SAID that he loves JP more than he loves the Church and that he wants to be with him in spite of what it might mean (like Craig said he loved John Paul and wanted to be with him rather than Sarah). But he has NOT left the Church YET. He hasn't yet. And according to the spoilers he won't do so UNTIL HE IS FORCED TO, IN PUBLIC. Sound familiar? Yes. So did Craig in the end. He alienated his whole family and faced utter rejection by both his mother and brother to be with John Paul. You might say that "in the end" is crucial here. But you mustn't forget that Kieron, too, will only put words into deeds after a public outing. Eehm. Craig DID make a commitment. He asked JP to come with him to Dublin. After the public outing. Yes. But that is THE SAME for Kieron (how many times do I have to say this?). Who will also ask JP to leave with him. Both cowards in my opinion. The ONLY difference between JPK and JPC, is that, instead of cheating on Sarah, Kieron is cheating on God, the Church and his parishioners (some might find that worse than cheating on a girlfriend, others not, depending probably on their own beliefs). And instead of JP constantly saying he wants to be a proper couple, wanting everyone to know he's with Craig, ACTIVELY TAKING PART in the outing; he said to Niall that his mom might never have to find out about him and Kieron. Would he say that if he thinks that he and Kieron will be together forever? Also, John Paul WILL DO EVERYTHING TO PREVENT this outing... Because he loves Kieron more than Craig? Or because he is afraid that Kieron will choose the Church over him? OR (and this is my hunch) because he is afraid that Kieron will choose him over the Church, giving up so much, which will put a lot of pressure on him to stay with Kieron (You - and probably many other people - seem to think that this creates a certain duty for John Paul to stick with Kieron). Is he perhaps afraid that he can't deliver? I agree that this would be a beautiful ending for the John Paul/Kieron relationship, and it would be an interesting route to take, but I think the writers aren't going that way - judging the actions and words of both John Paul and Kieron. And on what the actors have said (or haven't said). James: I THINK JP loves Kieron. Jake: I think Kieron is doing the right thing in taking the risk, however it ends, love is worth risking it. Why? Because he will have bailed on Kieron after he gave up everything for him? Because he owed Kieron an everlasting relationship because of this? I don't agree. Everything that will happen to Kieron will be due to Kieron's own voluntary choices. He has been the one throughout to pursue John Paul. He knew what the consequences could be. And John Paul is not the one who forces him out. Kieron is an adult responsible for his own choices and he knows that all relationships can end. So if he thinks John Paul is worth it, that is HIS choice, no one elses. It shows how much Kieron cares about John Paul. But that doesn't mean John Paul owes him the rest of his life. As he didn't owe Craig the rest of his life, just because he had forced him out. In a nutshell: if John Paul chooses Kieron, it should NOT be because Kieron gave up everything for him. It should be because he loves Kieron more than anyone else. And so far, the writers aren't showing us that he does...
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Post by Simone on Jun 11, 2008 10:57:41 GMT -5
I thought Craig was an ass for a big chunk of his relationship with John Paul, but from everything I have read and heard that is what happens when an openly gay man gets involved with someone in the closet or with confused about their sexuality.
In any case, I don't think that it is fair to really compare Kieron and Craig as characters. Craig was an established character with a family with flaws and strengths, while initially Kieron was brought on as a short term character and a plot point for the Niall story. The characters were, therefore, written completely differently.
I don't think that it is stretch if John Paul does leave Kieron for Craig eventually. If Craig returns, confident in his sexuality and everything that John Paul had hope for, he may be unable to resist that attraction. It is very human to want to pursue that great unfulfilled love. It could be Kieron letting John Paul go in the end though.
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Post by tinaxx on Jun 11, 2008 11:16:28 GMT -5
have you guys heard that craig is coming back. i read it on hollyoaks site he'll come back later this year n hes gonna try to win JP back.. its gonna be so intrestin.
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 11, 2008 15:57:00 GMT -5
Kieron doesn't choose to give up the church for JP - in fact he only does so when he realises that this has been forced upon him.
I think JP has to make the choice that will make him happiest in the long run and IMO that is Craig for all his flaws and shortcomings. They may not make it in the long run but Craig's main problems came about from his confusion. Pre JP he was a much more relaxed character.
Kieron has actively pursued JP and then on several occasions tried to put the blame on JP, even chastising him for outing their relationship to Mercy, despite his doing the same to Kris,who pointed this out.
JP and Kieron could not work as it is too heavy aburden for JP at present if he feels that K has given up the church for him when he is still unsure of his true feelings, IMO only of course.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 11, 2008 16:52:23 GMT -5
Kieron doesn't choose to give up the church for JP - in fact he only does so when he realises that this has been forced upon him. I think JP has to make the choice that will make him happiest in the long run and IMO that is Craig for all his flaws and shortcomings. They may not make it in the long run but Craig's main problems came about from his confusion. Pre JP he was a much more relaxed character. Kieron has actively pursued JP and then on several occasions tried to put the blame on JP, even chastising him for outing their relationship to Mercy, despite his doing the same to Kris,who pointed this out. JP and Kieron could not work as it is too heavy aburden for JP at present if he feels that K has given up the church for him when he is still unsure of his true feelings, IMO only of course. I think that is oversimplifying Craig's issues. Yes Craig was/is confused by falling for JP romantically but stating that Craig's problems came solely from that confusion is somewhat inaccurate. Craig's lies and deception with everyone during that time came from confusion but they also came from insecurities, fear and shame he felt over being in love with a man. And I don't know if Craig was all that relaxed before he met & fell for JP. He already had a lot of issues with trust due to failed relationships (hey Darlene! hey Natalie!) where he was basically used & his feelings trashed thus was also very insecure due to those experiences. Also, Kieron was right to criticize JP for outing them to Mercy, and JP even agreed with him as JP did it just to score one on her. It was childish and he did it without thought for the bigger implications that could arise, like the fact that his lover is a priest and if outed, would cause serious problems. Mercy is not exactly a discreet person. I have watched all the clips and for the last several weeks, actually for longer than that but I am talking about since JP & K have been together, there has been no confusion from JP about how he feels for Kieron, only about what the future may hold for them being together because of Kieron being a priest. I think it's misleading to state JP is questioning his feelings for Kieron when he's sure about that but unsure about everything else.
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Post by cakefan on Jun 12, 2008 4:43:04 GMT -5
I think that is oversimplifying Craig's issues. Yes Craig was/is confused by falling for JP romantically but stating that Craig's problems came solely from that confusion is somewhat inaccurate. Craig's lies and deception with everyone during that time came from confusion but they also came from insecurities, fear and shame he felt over being in love with a man. And I don't know if Craig was all that relaxed before he met & fell for JP. He already had a lot of issues with trust due to failed relationships (hey Darlene! hey Natalie!) where he was basically used & his feelings trashed thus was also very insecure due to those experiences. Well, he certainly was a happier character - even if you look at just before JP told him he loved someone else. Craig in general was a funny character, always figuring out stupid schemes or just being silly. A very sweet character to, especially with his sisters, mum or girlfriends (who used him). He was just very insecure because they treated him bad but no issues that couldn't be solved by being loved unconditionally. I think that is why he loves John Paul so much. Because whatever he did, John Paul loved him, believed in him and never treated him bad. JP's love was unconditional. I think that, once over the fact that JP is a man and what that means, we might see more of the old Craig. We did see some of him in the last weeks - the Bunny Cricket episode shows plenty of it, and the one where they go do laundry, when they are talking in the alley, that's where a bit of old Craig flares up. I really would love him to have gone back to that in Dublin, only secure about being with a man. I think that like that he will be irresistible to John Paul. Neither is Kris. Moreover, Kris spilled the beans the very next day (albeit only to John Paul) while Mercedes hasn't said anything to anyone. No confusion? I have feelings for him but he's not Craig. I will never love anyone the way I loved Craig. With Craig I wanted to shout it off the city steps. (and with Kieron, he says to Niall: perhaps my mom never needs to find out - isn't that a sign of something that won't last? OR: When I am with you it feels like my heart is going to burst, I love you, I am in love with you - as opposed to: I think I love him, and "I told Steph I loved you" I have no doubt in my mind that Kieron really does love John Paul, but I am also absolutely sure that John Paul does not love Kieron as much as he loves Craig. No one believes he is over Craig and John Paul is only convincing himself that he is because Craig is not there and he believes that despite this, he deserves someone to be with, to hold, to have sex with. He is lonely, wants to be loved, wants to get over Craig, wants to have sex with someone and so he tells himself he loves Kieron, which is the only way to justify getting all that from Kieron, as the stakes are so high. He is not questioning them. He has convinced himself of them. "I think I love him" does not convey security about one's feelings. He is definitely unsure about everything else too: about what will happen if it comes out, about what Kieron will do, about what his mom will do, which is why he is making such an effort to keep it secret, even though that is not what he wanted. I really think this also makes it more comfortable for him. There is someone to be with, to hold, to have sex with, but it's not out in the open, he doesn't have to shout off the city steps that he is now officially over Craig. I don't think he would like to do that. But that's just my opinion...
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 12, 2008 15:46:01 GMT -5
I think that is oversimplifying Craig's issues. Yes Craig was/is confused by falling for JP romantically but stating that Craig's problems came solely from that confusion is somewhat inaccurate. Craig's lies and deception with everyone during that time came from confusion but they also came from insecurities, fear and shame he felt over being in love with a man.
And I don't know if Craig was all that relaxed before he met & fell for JP. He already had a lot of issues with trust due to failed relationships (hey Darlene! hey Natalie!) where he was basically used & his feelings trashed thus was also very insecure due to those experiences.
Also, Kieron was right to criticize JP for outing them to Mercy, and JP even agreed with him as JP did it just to score one on her. It was childish and he did it without thought for the bigger implications that could arise, like the fact that his lover is a priest and if outed, would cause serious problems. Mercy is not exactly a discreet person.
I have watched all the clips and for the last several weeks, actually for longer than that but I am talking about since JP & K have been together, there has been no confusion from JP about how he feels for Kieron, only about what the future may hold for them being together because of Kieron being a priest. I think it's misleading to state JP is questioning his feelings for Kieron when he's sure about that but unsure about everything else.[/quote]
I do think that Craig's issues do come from confusion - yes he was treated badly by former girlfriends but he was still portrayed as someone who was basically a sweet guy, who looked out for his family. He was totally gobsmacked by falling for a guy and by confusion I mean both in the sexuality and the normal sense which I think covers all the emotions you mention.
I think that K was totally in the wrong to chastise JP - Kris himself said that he had a mouth on him . JP knew that he could trust Mercy, she's family, Kris is a very new and unknown friend to K.
I also disagree that JP is sure about his feelings for K 'I think I love him' to Steph he was absolutely emphatic about his feelings for C. I accept that he has feelings for K, which given the chance might deepen but at present they have very little in common and know each other very superficially. Again only IMO.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 12, 2008 16:19:55 GMT -5
But, there are many other viewers that have a differing opinions about JP and his feelings for Kieron.
I'm one of those, that feels that JP has been shown that he IS able to love someone else (which is Kieron) and OF COURSE, he's not going to love that man, in the same way that he loves Craig. They are two very different people and relationships. Why do we need to have JP love Kieron the same way that he loved Craig? Then, there would be complaints about the love he has for Kieron, somehow negating the love he had for Craig. Oh, I forgot, I've already seen those complaints for the past 5 months now.
I don't see the love that JP has for Kieron, negating what he had for Craig. What negated their (JP/Craig) love, was the fact that Craig didn't know who he was and wasn't ready to accept it (according to JP's POV not the audiences POV).
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 12, 2008 16:27:00 GMT -5
Of course there are, which is why I constantly state that this is my opinion. I don't feel that this situation is negating what JP/C was - I just feel that JP IMO doesn't love K - based on what I see and hear onscreen.
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Post by quan87 on Jun 12, 2008 16:40:50 GMT -5
Of course there are, which is why I constantly state that this is my opinion. I don't feel that this situation is negating what JP/C was - I just feel that JP IMO doesn't love K - based on what I see and hear onscreen. Well I don't think you see the storyline clearly because I can tell by the way the act around each other and look at each other. I don't compare it with Craig storyline because they are two different people relationships are not supposed to be the same. Kieron and JP have a different love from JP and Craig. EDIT: I just realize it sounds like criticizing, I hope not, that is not my intention.
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Post by jaymac74 on Jun 13, 2008 4:57:38 GMT -5
I don't take it as a criticism - you are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I see the storyline as clearly as you do I just interpret it differently.
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Post by cakefan on Jun 13, 2008 9:36:09 GMT -5
Well I don't think you see the storyline clearly because I can tell by the way they act around each other and look at each other. I don't compare it with Craig storyline because they are two different people relationships are not supposed to be the same. Kieron and JP have a different love from JP and Craig. Well, I think one of the essential things about choosing between two people is comparing your love for them. Obviously one's love for each person is different. And it's those differences that are going to determine the decision. Saying someone doesn't see the storyline clearly doesn't cut it. We all get shown the same things, but we interpret them differently. Here's some tidbits of the storyline we are supposed to be interpreting: - JP to Craig: When I am not with you I think about you all the time and when I am with you I feel like my heart is going to burst. I love you. I am in love with you. - JP to Craig: I love you with all my heart - JP to Mercy about Craig: He's everything - JP to Hannah about Craig: all I wanted was for Craig to admit we loved eachother. I wanted to shout it off the city steps - JP to Hannah: I have feelings for him, but noone will ever be Craig - JP to Hannah: but with Craig it was worth it (everyone finding out and being angry) - JP to Kieron: I am crazy about you - JP to himself: I think I love him - JP to Steph: I think I love him - JP to Kieron: I told Steff I loved you - JP to Niall about him and Kieron: perhaps my mum never needs to find out... - Hannah to JP: Do you really care about him that much? JP: Yeah. I do. Now there's a lot of discussion going on - about who's the better or worse person (Kieron for betraying God, the Church, his parishionars and Myra in particular, and making JP lie to her; or Craig for betraying Sarah and making JP do the same) - about who loves John Paul more (Kieron because he has been clear about it and comfortable with it from the start , even risking a little kiss in front of the Dog, while Craig denied his feelings and wouldn't kiss JP; but then again Craig did love JP, did make him happy, did choose him over his family and is coming back for him) - and about who is going to be better for him (I really have no idea how anyone could make predictions about this, seeing that we know so little about Kieron and have not seen how Craig has changed in the past year). I think we all agree that Kieron has treated John Paul far better than Craig did in the past. But all of that doesn't matter - the choice should depend on who John Paul loves most. And I think that the little snippets above give a clear indication.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 13, 2008 10:28:58 GMT -5
It means that you HOPE it gives a 'clear indication', because I don't see how the above makes it a 'clear indication' for ME.
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Post by cakefan on Jun 13, 2008 13:55:01 GMT -5
It means that you HOPE it gives a 'clear indication', because I don't see how the above makes it a 'clear indication' for ME. I am not hoping for any particular ending, I am hoping for an ending that makes John Paul happy. And I will try again to make clear why I think the writers of Hollyoaks are indicating Craig: There is a difference between "I LOVE you with ALL MY HEART" and "I THINK I love you" There is a difference between "I want to LET EVERYONE KNOW" and "maybe my mom DOESN'T HAVE TO FIND OUT" There is a difference between" I am IN LOVE with you" and "I have FEELINGS for you" or "I am CRAZY about you" And there is a difference between "he is EVERYTHING to me" and "he means VERY MUCH to me" All is up for interpretation. My interpretation is that John Paul love Craig more than he loves Kieron. But I'd love to hear other interpretations of the above...
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