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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 7, 2009 22:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by GayTime on Jan 8, 2009 2:17:26 GMT -5
Too bad they air this once filming has wrapped, otherwise TGoDT should do the only sensible thing as a loving community and rush a copy of LATTER DAYS to Chet.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 8, 2009 2:24:10 GMT -5
Too bad they air this once filming has wrapped, otherwise TGoDT should do the only sensible thing as a loving community and rush a copy of LATTER DAYS to Chet. 1000 times yes. Chet is GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY! The scene with him talking about the clothes he makes on his sewing machine needing to have extra flair so he stands out - complete with him popping his jacket colar - sent me into a coughing fit. To have that later followed by his duet with Ryan about how he is just metrosexual and not gay was just protesting too much. I thought the dinner with JD and Katelynn was moving. JD's story of his childhood really moved me. Ryan is a tool. No real opinion on Devyn & Scott (though I'd be down with them hooking up ) nor Baya or Sarah. But lots of eps to go.
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Post by carld2 on Jan 8, 2009 10:56:38 GMT -5
I stopped watching Real World when they started casting gay men who seemed designed to reinforce as many ugly stereotypes as possible. I hope that won't happen again this season.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jan 9, 2009 2:30:42 GMT -5
I stopped watching Real World when they started casting gay men who seemed designed to reinforce as many ugly stereotypes as possible. I hope that won't happen again this season. Well, I don't think so... JD seems like a good person. I really like the cast this year. They brought a group of multi-layered, interesting and intelligent people! I loooove Sarah. She is like my favorite person already. Chet is so obviously gay it's insane. He's just hiding in the closet, he is a mormon after all. Ryan is a douche, but couldn't help but feel for him when he talked to Sarah aout Iraq. The way Chet and Ryan treated Katelynn was horrible. She is a human being like everyone else, she has feelings, and she deserves respect. I can understand they're just ignorant, but still... Hopefully they'll come around and it will get easier for Katelynn.. It's not her fault she was born in the wrong body! I think this episode was waaay too much about Chet and Ryan, I do love their bromance, but we hardly got to see Scott, Baya and Devyn.. Anyways, I'm gonna keep watching, next episode seems interesting too.
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Post by lucrece on Jan 9, 2009 5:08:25 GMT -5
I stopped watching Real World when they started casting gay men who seemed designed to reinforce as many ugly stereotypes as possible. I hope that won't happen again this season. I've had my fill of gay men, and I don't think those that appear in this series are a long shot from most actual gay men. Gossipy, neurotic, frivolous seem to be key elements of the "gay scene". Oh, and the unhealthy obsession with American Egle and A&F/brand clothing.
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Post by fanaticfan on Jan 9, 2009 5:20:49 GMT -5
Too bad they air this once filming has wrapped, otherwise TGoDT should do the only sensible thing as a loving community and rush a copy of LATTER DAYS to Chet. Wait, what does that mean?
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Post by lucrece on Jan 9, 2009 7:43:03 GMT -5
Too bad they air this once filming has wrapped, otherwise TGoDT should do the only sensible thing as a loving community and rush a copy of LATTER DAYS to Chet. Wait, what does that mean? It means that the participants are back home, not in the house.
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Post by darcolover55 on Jan 9, 2009 9:33:33 GMT -5
I've had my fill of gay men, and I don't think those that appear in this series are a long shot from most actual gay men. Gossipy, neurotic, frivolous seem to be key elements of the "gay scene". Oh, and the unhealthy obsession with American Egle and A&F/brand clothing. I'm a dyke, not a gay man, so maybe it's not my place to say so but I just think saying the above as though that's just the way it is seems harsh and not really fair. Um, Lucrece, you can't really mean what you say above about "all" gay men without qualification. Gay communities are defined, I think, by the larger cultures in which they exist. Gay men who live in Chelsea, NYC have different mores, etc then gay men living in rural Georgia or a small town in Texas. There is definitely a certain "kind" of person who would want to participate on a reality television show like Real Word but from what I've seen of the show over the years, the gay men who have participated have run the gamut in terms of personality types and fashion sense and political beliefs. There definitely has not been only one "type" of gay man represented on the show.
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Post by iclickmyheels on Jan 9, 2009 23:54:13 GMT -5
I've had my fill of gay men, and I don't think those that appear in this series are a long shot from most actual gay men. Gossipy, neurotic, frivolous seem to be key elements of the "gay scene". Oh, and the unhealthy obsession with American Egle and A&F/brand clothing. There definitely has not been only one "type" of gay man represented on the show. Darcolover, I agree. Granted, I haven't really watched the show that regularly, i remember seriously watching Hawaii, New Orleans, Chicago, and Philly, but I thought, most of the times I watched the show, that the gay men on the show seemed to be the most down to earth, level-headed, and least neurotic/dramatic/shallow person on the show. Of course this isn't always the case, and sure, they all have some flaws, but I think they've done a pretty good job of representing themselves and dare I say, even the gay community in general. It seems like the straight 'jock frat boys' and the 'boy-crazy bimbo' girls are the ones who are constantly being typecast and just become caricatures. Otherwise, I am actually excited about this season, and that hasn't happened in like 5 years. After the first episode, Sarah is definitely my favorite, she seems like such a sweetheart, and genuinely interested in other people. Ryan seems like a jerk for sure, but when he was talking about his Iraq experience, you could tell he had some serious pain there that he's hiding, hence his whole tough guy/jokester act. Katelynn and JD bonding was quite touching, I like both of them so far, and Katelynn admitting at dinner that we wished she hadn't spilled so much about her sexual (5some) experiences, was so refreshing, because that type of thing - sharing too much info too soon in order to seem at ease - is totally something i've done and regretted. As for Chet, I DO think he's gay, I mean, we all saw him just staaaring at Scott's abs and whatnot. But i thought the most telling moment was his ad-libbed lyrics - 'i'm metrosexual, that's not a sin'. So his life is ruled by what is sin and what isn't, so he's most likely compromising his sexuality based on his religious beliefs. Poor guy. He's a little naive, a little ignorant, a little immature, but I really think he means well. He reminds me of mormon Julie from New Orleans in that way, hopefully he'll have some revelations about sexuality just like she did. All I remember about Devyn is her shaking her tits in the hottub, and her horrific catchphrase about 'getting into devyn is harder than getting in to heaven' or whatever. Ugh. Hopefully, she'll redeem herself. Baya didn't get much airtime, but she seems kinda ditzy. Again, redeemable. And Scott seems to just be there for eye candy. I'm excited to get to see more about him, he seems like he could be a really cool guy, but he's kinda mysterious. Whew.
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Post by carld2 on Jan 10, 2009 1:00:45 GMT -5
I stopped watching Real World when they started casting gay men who seemed designed to reinforce as many ugly stereotypes as possible. I hope that won't happen again this season. I've had my fill of gay men, and I don't think those that appear in this series are a long shot from most actual gay men. Gossipy, neurotic, frivolous seem to be key elements of the "gay scene". Oh, and the unhealthy obsession with American Egle and A&F/brand clothing. I don't think most gay men make racist remarks while hating themselves and frequently making out with their female best friend, like the last gay guy they had. Or there's Tyler, who desperately tried to act like a bitch at all times in order to get attention. The show seemed to start trying, almost desperately so, to cast gay men who would reinforce every negative stereotype of gay men. This fits in with the other very negative images which started appearing in most other MTV shows. I don't think it's fair to most actual gay men to think they're all like that.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 10, 2009 1:23:04 GMT -5
I've had my fill of gay men, and I don't think those that appear in this series are a long shot from most actual gay men. Gossipy, neurotic, frivolous seem to be key elements of the "gay scene". Oh, and the unhealthy obsession with American Egle and A&F/brand clothing. I don't think most gay men make racist remarks while hating themselves and frequently making out with their female best friend, like the last gay guy they had. Or there's Tyler, who desperately tried to act like a bitch at all times in order to get attention. The show seemed to start trying, almost desperately so, to cast gay men who would reinforce every negative stereotype of gay men. This fits in with the other very negative images which started appearing in most other MTV shows. I don't think it's fair to most actual gay men to think they're all like that. For every Tyler and Davis, there is a Pedro or Danny. Let's face it, it's been a long time since folks were cast on this show who didn't play in to some negative stereotype based on gender, race or sexuality (cause I am always wary of the Black females cast hoping they won't be the worst cast member in the house but knowing that everyone in cast is probably going to suck). Anyhoo, the more polarizing personalities cast in the recent seasons, I think that was on purpose by the casting directors who lost sight of the original purpose of the show, but I digress. Seeing a gay guy act a fool on the Real World doesn't mean that every gay man is like that nor does it appear that most of the people who watch TRW believe that to be the case. I don't think that The Real World is using any castmember - past or present - as a marker for whatever their background is and selling it as what all folks of a similar identity are like in general. I have suffered through all but 2 seasons of TRW as well as Road Rules and The RW/RR Challenges and surfed many messages boards for all these shows and most of the people who watch these shows consider all the people cast to be over-sexed/sexually repressed alcoholic attention whores and don't consider every cast member to be a representative of whatever stereotype they were cast to play in their season. While there have been some questionable castmembers on the 21 seasons of this show as we as the 12 seasons of Road Rules, I think it's over-generalizing to take a handful of gay men who have been cast that happen to be complete tools and say MTV is only showing gay men in a negative way. For many seasons, since s12 in Chicago IMO, pretty much every single person cast has been a complete tool save a handful. Personally, I think they stopped casting quality folks after Back 2 New York (S10) but obviously mileage varies on the topic. I think the 2 best seasons of this show were San Francisco and Boston... before the casting directors just went for the lowest common denominator angle.
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Post by carld2 on Jan 10, 2009 2:58:37 GMT -5
Pedro was 15 years ago. Danny was almost 10 years ago. In more recent seasons, the nice gay guys have been edited into a much smaller role (like the gay guy in Chicago, or in Paris).
While it's true they often cast lowest common denominator for everyone, gay men are often viewed in such negative terms by society that we need a positive, or even mixed, portrayal more than a straight person does. MTV used to provide those. Somewhere along the way, they started casting more for controversy and for conflict.
I remember during that awful season with Davis, I would see people make comments like, "See? This proves white gay men are all racist." and "Is this what they call tolerance?" People I knew who would watch the show would use him as an example of why they didn't like gay men, because of racism, or because he was always all over Brooke, this was proof of how many gay men aren't actually gay, you name it. It was the same as in Road Rules, when Shane got drunk and hit a black man and made out with women all the time. This type of thing does have a negative effect.
MTV used to try to get people to see a more positive image of gays, and our struggles. That ended up being replaced by Tylers and Davises, and all the awful caricatures of shows like Next and other programs I've blocked out.
I guess when I still see so much homophobia out there, on TV, in politics, in movies, in music, I'm very sensitive to seeing such ugly portrayals on a network that used to be better.
Maybe this new season will be better, I don't know.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 10, 2009 3:27:46 GMT -5
Pedro was 15 years ago. Danny was almost 10 years ago. In more recent seasons, the nice gay guys have been edited into a much smaller role (like the gay guy in Chicago, or in Paris). ... MTV used to try to get people to see a more positive image of gays, and our struggles. That ended up being replaced by Tylers and Davises, and all the awful caricatures of shows like Next and other programs I've blocked out. I guess when I still see so much homophobia out there, on TV, in politics, in movies, in music, I'm very sensitive to seeing such ugly portrayals on a network that used to be better. Which was pretty much my point regarding the the earlier seasons being of higher quality in terms of casting people - gay and otherwise - than the seasons after RW: Back 2 New York. Chris in RW: Chicago and Simon in RW: Paris seemed alright but both chose to be drama-free compared to others in their respective houses from what I've read in interviews with them so they were deemed "boring" by producers and not shown as much as the people willing to ramp up the drama. That's not actually a bad thing that they didn't want to be asses and have their craziness broadcast like others in their respective houses. IMO, The problem is The Real World became too wrapped up in casting types: bitchy gay guy, angry black girl, stupid jock, artsy/alternative person, the yokel/naive person, black male player, the conservative/religious person, the alcoholic, the slut, the himbo whore. Basically, my point is that for the past 8-9 years, almost no one who who has been on the show has come off well, not just gays, because producers decided to go for a melodramatic factor rather than substance. I understand being sensitive to it but in the grand scheme of things, it's not just gays who have been kicked in the face by the dubious casting decisions made over the years. Personally I am tired of the "angry Black female" and I am hoping Devyn bucks that trend probably as much as you are hoping JD does with the last several seasons of gay men. Chet's a whole different issue.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Jan 10, 2009 6:10:43 GMT -5
Chet is so gay. I mean if he isn't gay, why talk about everything gay all the time? And the part where he sang that that other dude was cute and then went "Wait what?" was so fake, and sounded like a cry for help. Poor guy.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 12, 2009 12:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Jan 12, 2009 16:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Jan 13, 2009 11:36:39 GMT -5
I couldn't even watch more than 20 seconds of those clips.. OMG. Chet, just come out. (Is it bad I want him to do it on the show?
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Post by isoron on Jan 14, 2009 12:24:30 GMT -5
Actually, if Chet were gay, then he would be a stereotype. Ryan is not as bad as he appeared to be on the stairs and was very embarrassed by it on the Aftershow. He and Chet did NOT treat Kaitlan badly because we didn't see them interact after JD spilled the beans (which should not have done.) And I so like Kaitland but she did a lapdance (preop) with some geek kid. So just cause she's a tranny doesn't make her a saint.
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Post by lucrece on Jan 15, 2009 0:22:26 GMT -5
Saw the 2nd episode, and I'm not so hot on JD anymore. The constant pity parties, the xenophobic rants being justified by having "immigrant parents" (much like Karl Rove says he had a gay stepfather, so he muuuust understand gay people lol), and the bigoted remarks against Chet about his religious beliefs ("Go read your bible." Seriously, JD? WTF).
I don't like Chet, but I must concede to him this time. Contradicting drunks is not the smartest course of action, I know, but I highly doubt the same tolerance for bad behavior would've been shown if it had been Ryan walking in and engaging in homophobic rant.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 15, 2009 2:49:19 GMT -5
JD is a mess when he drinks. I still think he has a lot of anger and drinking seems to unleash his combative side. I don't dislike Chet though his immaturity is annoying at times but he was right about how obnoxious JD was being.
Ryan... I will go out on a limb and say that when he is silent, I think he's the most attractive guy in the house but his immaturity and ignorance is tiresome. I don't think he was all that open-minded about the gay bar and I didn't find his reaction to the drag queen kiss amusing (I wasn't offended, but I didn't think it was funny). His girlfriend wasn't much better with her "disgusting" remark. I don't hate Ryan but he continues to be a tool, IMO.
At least there was more of Baya this week to get some idea of her personality as well as Sarah. I guess next week is FINALLY time to get to know Scott and Devyn.
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Post by lucrece on Jan 15, 2009 8:29:08 GMT -5
JD is a mess when he drinks. I still think he has a lot of anger and drinking seems to unleash his combative side. I don't dislike Chet though his immaturity is annoying at times but he was right about how obnoxious JD was being. Ryan... I will go out on a limb and say that when he is silent, I think he's the most attractive guy in the house but his immaturity and ignorance is tiresome. I don't think he was all that open-minded about the gay bar and I didn't find his reaction to the drag queen kiss amusing (I was offended, but I didn't think it was funny). His girlfriend wasn't much better with her "disgusting" remark. I don't hate Ryan but he continues to be a tool, IMO. At least there was more of Baya this week to get some idea of her personality as well as Sarah. I guess next week is FINALLY time to get to know Scott and Devyn. The fitness trainer seems really nice. He doesn't recoil when Kate grabs on to his arm playfully, and they socialize very well. Personally, Kate and Sarah, and Baya seem pretty cool to me. Not intrusive, very mellow. Ryan, he's just immature. One has to understand the culture where he comes from, and I wouldn't be surprised by the disgusted reaction most men would have when surprise-kissed by a drag queen. Frankly, the drag queen isn't helping the transsexual cause by giving a predatorial and deceptive depiction. Honestly? I think he's ignorant, but not that malicious. The girlfriend, on the other hand, was rather inciting, and an example to counter the silly belief that women are not homophobic or bigoted; I know, my first gay bashing and "f*g**t" calling was done by women, not men.
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Post by GayTime on Jan 15, 2009 13:22:45 GMT -5
I'm with B'chick that Ryan is the most attractive guy in the house as long as he keeps his mouth shut and Scott's wearing a shirt :-) And I guess despite his douchebaggy remarks, kudos for going to a gay bar in the first place?? My personal highlight of the episode was Chet telling his family that J.D. is gay and Chet's mom going: 'That's why he's so nice!' Lol. I think Chet's family is trying to tell him something. My heart broke when JD lost it and in an instant became the token substance abuser in the house. Although I will got out on a limb here and say that I'd probably drink myself into a stupor if my dad, of all people, stole my identity.
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Post by harmonium on Jan 15, 2009 14:31:38 GMT -5
I just want to point this out (although I didn't watch the show), but it seems like a guy like Ryan who went through military training and stuff should at least have his maturity level up. But it seems like (from what I gather from the comments over here about him being all immature and untactful) he wasted his time serving the military. I wonder what did he actually learn during his days as a military soldier.
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Post by Bonobochick on Jan 15, 2009 17:45:21 GMT -5
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