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Post by viga2430 on Nov 20, 2008 10:31:37 GMT -5
WTF!!! How could Amir do this? Did he not get the memo that he was in a relationship or perhaps it is Harel who didn't get the memo that he was in a open relationship (btw these are rhetorical questions)...Poor Harel is moving in with him...*sigh* Harel seems to be a perspective person so hopefully he will figure out sooner rather than later that his boyfriend likes to engage into extra-curricular activities on the side...Thank you for the clip matan4il, hopefully YouTube will stop being stubborn and give us the subtitles ;D
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Post by dorothy on Nov 20, 2008 11:22:31 GMT -5
Is this just Amir having a panic reaction to Harel moving in? (I did think other-guy was kind of hot!) I sense quite a confrontation coming up...
Poor Harel! He never seems to get quite what he's looking for from Amir.
Matan4il, thanks as always for bringing us this story! (Looking forward to the subtitles.)
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Post by karina on Nov 20, 2008 12:40:41 GMT -5
I'll wait with getting angry at Amir for real because I sense there's something going on there, but what?
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Post by lucrece on Nov 20, 2008 13:24:57 GMT -5
OOOOoooh, my boiling blood!
At the risk of sounding like a woman, I'll yell disdainfully "Men!"
Watch out, Amir, I'm gonna get your cheating ass *shakes fist*.
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Post by lolaruns on Nov 20, 2008 13:35:11 GMT -5
Yes it seems like a huge clichee of gay stories that whenever they move closer one of them feels the need to jump into bed with a random person. Just recently Marc on Ugly Betty when Cliff suggested they move in together. Or Matt from Sophie jumping in bed with the snobbish waiter after things get too close with his Swiss boyfriend.
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Post by darcolover55 on Nov 20, 2008 14:59:26 GMT -5
I have never cheated but I totally get the independence thing.
I think we should wait a minute and get all the facts before we get all down on Amir
If Amir has never been out but has only been doing the "tricks" thang, then maybe Harel is his first real relationship.
I think it takes a minute before a person is ready for that after having been single and closeted and not having to account for his actions before.
Maybe it was just a one off, you know a last fling before moving in with Harel? I could forgive a last "bachelor" fling. No harm, no foul.
Maybe I'm kind of free thinking about sex (much like Cova from Fisca o Quimica) so if Amir just needed to sew his last oat for a while because of the whole approaching cohabitating thing, i can dig that.
We don't know that he'll be a cheater.
I don't even know if they have discussed being exclusive because I do think a couple has to explicitly decide that and not make assumptions. Okay, I'm breathing. I'm totally patient about it. Still better that my beloved NUKE who're havN the WORST time ever.
I don't think it is cheating unless a couple has agreed to be monogomous or exclusive.
They've only been dating for a month. We haven't even seen Harel and Amir having that conversation. We don't know for sure that Amir is "sleeping around". It's could just be a one time thing before Harel moves in.
I think folks just assumed that because Amir closeted, he hadn't been with anyone before Harel but maybe he's just never had a boyfriend.
I think in this day and age a couple really needs to TALK about whether or not they want to see other people. You can't just assume.
Harel moving in (which I think is a bad idea) was so sudden and based on an emergency, maybe Amir just needed to feel independent for one more night.
We should wait to see how it plays out.
If Amir just wanted to play the field Only, why would he chase after Harel to get him back. He could have just done the TRICK thang and been fine as he had been before Harel.
He's made a lot of changes in his life very quickly for Harel.
I have to assume he's falling in love even though they haven't even said "I love you".
It's just too early, IMHO, to know what's what in the relationship.
They need to have a conversation about who they want to be to each other.
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Post by darcolover55 on Nov 20, 2008 15:01:34 GMT -5
WTF!!! How could Amir do this? Did he not get the memo that he was in a relationship or perhaps it is Harel who didn't get the memo that he was in a open relationship (btw these are rhetorical questions)...Poor Harel is moving in with him...*sigh* Harel seems to be a perspective person so hopefully he will figure out sooner rather than later that his boyfriend likes to engage into extra-curricular activities on the side...Thank you for the clip matan4il, hopefully YouTube will stop being stubborn and give us the subtitles ;D I don't speak Hebrew but from what I understand from the poster, Amir was actually telling the "Trick" that he couldn't see him again. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by darcolover55 on Nov 20, 2008 15:06:23 GMT -5
Not to generalize about gender because I don't think all men are NOT this way but I do think a lot of men get scared about commitment. It's like a running theme in romantic comedies and dramas.
Obviously we must be raising men to be that way because it seems to be a common theme in love stories (gay or straight).
I actually think lots of women have issues with commitment as well but we as a culture just aren't honest about it. Take Samantha from Sex in the City. Even having to hold Smith's hand in public made her lose her mind!
Lots of folks FREAK when they are about to move forward in a relationship. I hope a one night stand isn't enough to break them up as long as Amir doesn't cheat or lie about it.
Sometimes sex is just sex.
Harel has asked a lot of Amir (that he come out and be open in public, meet his parents, allow him to move into his live/work space). Granted Amir has agreed to it all but it's a lot for a relationship that's only been going on for a month or so.
I have faith in Amir (don't ask me why) that he will get it right.
I love these boys so much and clearly Amir has great affection for Harel or he wouldn't be willing to do so much to make him happy.
Okay, I'm totally biased so I'll stop talking till the subtitles get posted.
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Post by darcolover55 on Nov 20, 2008 15:48:49 GMT -5
Sigh, the path of true love... Someone's got "parking" issues Harel's dad drops off a chair and gets a clue Amir and Harel have some talking to do
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Post by matan4il on Nov 20, 2008 15:49:43 GMT -5
Will respond properly tomorrow, I just wanted to let you guys know that after a VERY tiring day, the annotations server is still down, but thanks to my friend, there's a regular subtitles file uploaded. That means that if you go on YouTube and make sure the Closed Captions (CC) options is on, you should see the English translation.
I'm so sorry for the poor sync of the subtitles, I was in a hurry to upload it ASAP.
Hope you enjoy it. G'night, guys!
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Post by viga2430 on Nov 20, 2008 18:09:53 GMT -5
I'll wait with getting angry at Amir for real because I sense there's something going on there, but what? LOL!! You leave us in suspense with your fanfics and now you are going to leave us in suspense as to what your thoughts are on Amir ;D...I am loving this story and the drama ;D matan4il: thank you for your hard work with getting the subtitles uploaded
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Post by aussie54 on Nov 20, 2008 21:04:27 GMT -5
Many thanks to you and your friend for the English sub-titles Matan4il. It took me a while to find out how to turn on the CC option. I didn't know there was such a thing. ;D I'm still not sure what to think about Amir. I'd like to think there was some loyalty going on, but it looks like he has different thoughts to that.
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Post by harmonium on Nov 21, 2008 0:28:53 GMT -5
darcolover55I totally see where you are coming from. It's definitely very difficult to judge their relationship seeing that they have so little screen time. So whatever happen behind what's being shown is being left to the viewers' imagination and discretion. But seriously I mean generally, if you are in a relationship, it is ASSUMED that you have to be exclusive. If not, how do you try to maintain a relationship if you can't even be faithful to one? And based on the fact that Harel actually did rejected a fling in episode 5, I assumed that he is in for an exclusive relationship with Amir (although there is a possibility of him rejecting that guy because he is simply not interested). And his talk with his sister on not letting Amir go (as who knows Amir maybe the one for him) shows that Harel wants to be in an exclusive relationship with Amir. But of course, this is just one-sided affair as Amir never outrightly said he wants to have an exclusive relationship with Harel. And also the possibility of them having an open relationship just don't sound quite right to me seeing how tight both of them are together (as personally I don't believe in an open relationship). And also, they have just been together for only 1 month or so and Amir already couldn't keep his hands to himself, I fear for Harel if they decided to stick together. And also the possibility of Amir having a trick just to celebrate the end of his 'singlehood', I thought they both agree that this is only temporary (only until Harel can manage on his own)? And generally, do those who are getting married the next day sleep with their tricks during the bachelor/bachelorette parties? I thought it's more of fun-flirting and not having actual sex. Well, I'm off to watch the subtitled version, hopefully some assumptions will be cleared up. My poor Harel...
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Post by gaysoapfan on Nov 21, 2008 3:31:07 GMT -5
On the topic of monogamy: people in the early stages of a relationship can signal their expectations about exclusivity without getting into a full discussion on the topic, and actually I think that Harel has already done precisely that. His reaction to being locked in the bathroom at the beginning of Part 4 (when he assumed that Amir was hiding him from another lover) made his feelings about the monogamy issue pretty clear. He didn't like being played for a fool ("I'm not an idiot!"), and he seemed ready to walk.
How much time are we meant to understand has passed since they started dating? I read somewhere that Til the Wedding airs once a week, but what is the pacing? Have weeks passed or months? I ask because it seems to me that Amir and Harel are moving really fast. Harel was also a bit passive aggressive in the way that he hinted around and ultimately brought up moving in with Amir. Harel seems to need affirmation--an instant relationship!--and he seems to resent Amir's reservations and skittishness.
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Post by matan4il on Nov 21, 2008 11:16:50 GMT -5
I seem to have woken up today with a bit of a cold. Nothing major, but it's making me kinda slow and a bit out of it. That's why I'm not sure I'm gonna make much sense, but I did want to tell you that I'm loving the discussion you've got going on. You guys make it a pleasure to stop by this forum. Harmonium, my pleasure. As for Harel and Amir, they were never shown as discussing the boundaries of their relationship and whether or not it's open, so what Amir is doing strikes me as being sorta "shades of grey"... you know? It's not quite right, but it's not clearly wrong. Viga2430, de nada! I agree about Harel and one way or another, I want him to be happy (preferably with Amir, but you know wht I mean). And YouTube, wow. I was so mad at them, I can't even explain it. I'm so glad you finally got to see the clip properly! Dorothy, you're very welcome! And I agree, Amir and Harel seem to move at a different pace through everything, but I do hope they will eventually get in sync. Glad to hear people enjoyed the hotness of the third wheel, though. Karina, I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts after you've seen the subtitled version... Lucrece, *lol* You can go ahead and yell it as often as you'd like. I have a sneaking suspicion that you have the right to more than me. Lolaruns, I thought about your comment and realized that every single couple on 'Til the Wedding, save Harel's parents, has some problem with fidelity. So if it's a cliche, at least in this case it extends beyond the gay couple. Darcolover55, I tend to agree with you. It's because in this day and age, some people will assume that dating automatically exclused seeing others, while some will operate on the assumption that until it hasn't been clearly stated, any given relationship is open. Which is precisely why things need to be discussed and conclusions need to be clearly agreed upon! And thanks for your updates. I didn't notice you were posting at the same time I was last night until I got back to this thread today. Too cool that we were in sync. Aussie54, no prob! And I'll let my friend know as well. I promise I'm going to do my best to upload the next clip quickly, with hopefully some answers. Gaysoapfan, that's a very interesting point. Seeing how Amir can be a bit thick and miss out on clues, though, he might actually not realized what you have about Harel's expectations. Don't know. But we'll find out, I'm sure. And the pacing is a bit tricky, but from other storylines, we can deduce about a month and a half has passed since Amir and Harel first met each other.
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Post by momnoc on Nov 21, 2008 21:49:08 GMT -5
Matan4il thank you again for subbing this wonderful show and going the extra mile when you have so much other stuff going on in RL! I am not too happy with Amir right now, but I am really enjoying the story! ;D Hopefully this was a "one off" and Amir will get his act together.......but it is a soap right?......so a little drama is to be expected! Hope you are feeling better! Enjoy your weekend!
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Post by matan4il on Nov 21, 2008 22:27:19 GMT -5
Momnoc, anytime! And I know what you mean. I'm not too happy with what Amir did either, but like you said, a little drama goes a long way on a show like this... Thank you! I hope I'll feel better soon, 'coz I'm not there yet. I can't concentrate on my reading for my thesis, I can't sleep, nothing... On the bright side, I might have the next clip ready sooner than I thought.
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Post by momnoc on Nov 21, 2008 23:18:21 GMT -5
I hope I'll feel better soon, 'coz I'm not there yet. I can't concentrate on my reading for my thesis, I can't sleep, nothing... On the bright side, I might have the next clip ready sooner than I thought. Well......if it helps pass the time while you are sick......by all means, feel free to work on subbing the next epi! ;D Silver linings everywhere you look! ;D
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Post by matan4il on Nov 21, 2008 23:28:34 GMT -5
I hope I'll feel better soon, 'coz I'm not there yet. I can't concentrate on my reading for my thesis, I can't sleep, nothing... On the bright side, I might have the next clip ready sooner than I thought. Well......if it helps pass the time while you are sick......by all means, feel free to work on subbing the next epi! ;D Silver linings everywhere you look! ;D *lol* Just thinking about my well being, right? Damn, my chest hurts when I laugh. Well, I'll be happy if there will be one good thing coming out of catching this damn cold, but I'm editing the clip right now and as usual, the editing program is acting up. Still, I've made some progress.
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Post by momnoc on Nov 21, 2008 23:42:24 GMT -5
*lol* Just thinking about my well being, right? Of course! ;D (*she says with an amazingly straight face!*) Besides if the choices are "thesis" or "subs"......believe me, we will be much more appreciative and forgiving of any mistakes than any professor will be! ;D Damn, my chest hurts when I laugh. Well, I'll be happy if there will be one good thing coming out of catching this damn cold, but I'm editing the clip right now and as usual, the editing program is acting up. Still, I've made some progress. OK, no more laughing for you!.....Just rest and the occasional editing.........just to keep your spirits up while you are ailing! You can rest up a bit now......I won't bother you for a while.....off to pick my son up at the airport! (*bounces excitedly!*) ;D
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Post by matan4il on Nov 21, 2008 23:46:33 GMT -5
Pshh, straight faces are overrated. *lol* No doubt about it. And trust me, even if you were less forgiving, I would still prefer the subs over the thesis any day. Thank you! And awwww, enjoy your meeting up again with your son! Airports were made for moments like that, if you ask me. Have a wonderful day and I hope the next time you stop by, the next clip will be up already! ... Right, I couldn't sleep tonight at all thanks to this cold, so now I'm crashing. Yay. However, I did manage to complete a trial hard-coded subtitled clip and I'm running it by you guys. Veoh isn't showing me a damn thing when I hit 'play', so I need you to tell me if you see anything, and if you do, whether there are any problems I didn't notice while I was making the clip. Enjoy and g'night! www.veoh.com/videos/v166987888MaXs7kb
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Post by harmonium on Nov 22, 2008 3:47:27 GMT -5
OH MY GOD!! It's hard-sub now. Luckily I have an account with Veoh. Now downloading it!! Woo!! It's sure good in better quality. By the way, I've subscribed to your channel! Thanks alot for the hard work. And so sorry to hear you've gotten a cold. Better take care? Taken medicine? *Hugs hugs* And the thing about thesis vs subbing the videos, who knows ur professor maybe a secret viewer of ur subtitled clips and he's eagerly waiting to see what's gonna happened to Amir *cough* *CHEATER* *cough* & Harel. Hehehhe.
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Post by matan4il on Nov 22, 2008 6:58:02 GMT -5
Hey Harmonium, glad to hear that you can see it! And it's subtitled and at a better quality and all. I figured since I'm gonna do some extra work, I might as well get you guys a new, better quality clip. *lol* My professor is a dinosuar, so I really hope she isn't interested in Harel and Amir or she might just eat them. :/ I'm not too in love with her, can you tell? Thank you, bb. *hugs too* I've taken medicine, it didn't seem to help, then didn't and now I'm feeling worse so I'll go look for some more now. Right, y'all take care of yourself, 'k? Ciao...
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Post by gaysoapfan on Nov 22, 2008 12:44:49 GMT -5
The clip looks great, matan4il! Thanks so much for all your hard work--and I hope that you're feeling better soon! ETA: I've now watched the first three, and I have to say: I think Harel is even hotter in this format! I see now why Amir was trembling in the second episode.
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Post by aussie54 on Nov 22, 2008 14:10:24 GMT -5
Wow! These new clips are wonderful. It was great to see their little dance together again. Amir is actually my favourite, which is why I was disappointed to see him with that other guy. (But Harel has a cute little laugh. ) Thanks, Matan4il, for doing these new clips. They show once again how hot Amir and Harel are together.
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