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Post by lolaruns on Apr 1, 2009 20:19:52 GMT -5
I have to admit, I never watched any telenovelas, so I didn't know that that sitting around and constantly recapping was a typical telenovela style. God it's driving me batty.
When I heard telenovela I kinda assumed that there would be:
- More humor (since I think VIB had a reputation of being funny)
- More firmly nailed down characterization, like a clear distinction between heros and villains
I actually wonder what LuGor could do with more natural writing to them. Or if the slowness is part of their charme. Though, to me the repetitiveness actually takes me OUT of certain scenes because I just cringe and find it stupid/go "nobody would talk or act that way".
Most recent stating the obvious moment was Luise repeating Gregor's please don't go right before she oders Maria to stop packing. I wonder how on earth the actors survive acting stuff like that without cringing in shame.
It's not like those slip of the tongue thing can't be cute but in this moment it just felt so painfully "ok she is just saying this to give us another obvous update moment".
Plus, I think they could still do slow and old fashioned without using every opportunity to be painfully obvious about everything and chewing everything apart 23897 times before the characters do anything. Even if they just took only every second opportunity to be obvious, it would free the storyline up a lot.
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Post by chrollifan on Apr 1, 2009 20:58:19 GMT -5
My mother is watching "Sturm der Liebe" and I knew few years ago quite well the state of the story, because I visited her much more often back then *fremdschäm* I wasn't probably right about characterisation, but scheming is certainly not so complex as in soaps and plot is generally simpler. Humour is IMO something specifical to ViB among German telenovelas, because I really didn't noticed it in SdL (and I've seen some WzG too). They are trying to be funny sometimes, but not very successfully. And there is lots and lots and lots of talking, which is driving me crazy. The only thing I really like about SdL is the amount of location shoots. Characters are walking in the park or in the woods and TALKING. Of course, it was already few years ago and I don't remember anymore very well and VL is just suffering under bad writing among other things, because watching SdL I at least understood the logic of the story and it wasn't contradictory most of the time, although simple and stupid  |
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Post by mona on Apr 2, 2009 7:57:49 GMT -5
I hate the uncertainty when it comes to new writers and it's uncertain if they want to follow the story or if they have the same feeling about it as last writer. It's like you can't value scenes of the last months. (It'll be probably hard to make changes because they already did a lot in the last year) I hope they don't do it like they do on Marienhof now (although I think they got a new producer there). They fired old characters and now they're writing them back in (Didn't Leonard stay suddenly when something changed in the background?  ) VL is following the telenovela style a lot. The urge to have a alibi relationship and alibi marriage is a must have in telenovelas. VL is doing that a lot in the last 2 years I think. I wouldn't be worried about Starla if it's true what the user capwell said. It sounds like they suddenly want to give them something and apparently it's going to really start when the "changes" can arrive from the writer change?  Seriously, it would be a joke if they break them up and do it lazy (especially when I see how long Lydia and Sebastian want to go though their problems together and Ollian are much better as a couple) If I think about the way they separated couples (Cocos cheating on Robin had a 1 1/2 episode build up...and nothing was in character there as well) |
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Post by brownsugar on Apr 2, 2009 20:00:43 GMT -5
Not that he didn't make a few good changes, but I can't say that I'm sorry to see him go as a writer.  And now can somebody clean up that continuity problem. Continuity within the SAME episode?  BTW, oh Andre knower of all things behind the scenes, I really enjoyed Monday and Tuesday's episode from an Ollian POV, just the ways it flowed. No idea if it was the writing or the directing. Any idea who I could attribute this to? Let's just hope that the new chick doesn't feel the need to immediately also start importing a ton of HER new people. Though somehow, the second I hear woman I think it's good news for Ollian. Lola...from your mouth to this new writers ears. Lets just hope that having a female as a new writer will translate into more Ollian. I can't lie and say I don't miss the days of Chroust as head writer. Looking at it now, I feel as though I was so spoiled back then with some much Ollian. They were so well written and presented. Anyway...here's hoping for a good future for these two great characters. Lola...I was wondering if you had anything on the latest ratings for VL this past month. I know viewership was on the upswing a couple of months ago, but there was some speculation that maybe it was the results of another show on a different channel which was being canceled. Anyway, I'm always interested in how the ratings are going for the show since I honestly want it to do well, especially with the downswing in viewership for a number of SOAPS these past couple of years. Thanks!! |
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Post by chrollifan on Apr 24, 2009 10:13:45 GMT -5
There has been some innovative use of sets and camera angels/movements in this week. So I checked and ta-daa: there is a new director (3370-3374). It's interesting how easy it's to get used with the current bunch of directors and how repetitive patterns they apply, that you see right away when there is something new. www.crew-united.com/index.asp?show=memberdetail&ID=8149As for the new writers euphoria - I think that we can speak only in singular at the moment, because there hasn't been very big changes in the team yet. |
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 24, 2009 10:23:57 GMT -5
If there are noticable changes anyway then at least we'll know how much influence a head writer truly has with an identical dialog team (for the record, when it comes to directors we are talking about the episodes currently showing up in the spoilers, not the episodes currently airing) |
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Post by chrollifan on Apr 24, 2009 10:36:18 GMT -5
(for the record, when it comes to directors we are talking about the episodes currently showing up in the spoilers, not the episodes currently airing) Yes of course, hiring directors is out of head writers reign anyway. |
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Post by dutchy on Apr 24, 2009 18:21:08 GMT -5
As for the new writers euphoria - I think that we can speak only in singular at the moment, because there hasn't been very big changes in the team yet. I wouldn’t use the word euphoria, but yeah, I’m optimistic/hopeful… the way I see it, things can only get better (and I’m not just talking about C&O, I mean all stories). Thanks for the info on the new director (now we know who to blame for that kiss behind the metal curtain  )! |
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Post by lolaruns on May 4, 2009 2:54:46 GMT -5
Interesting interview with some guy from UFA Grundy about the ratings of the UFA soaps. They only talk about the ratings of "Alisa" and AWZ though. He defends the current AWZ ratings.
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Post by chrollifan on May 9, 2009 20:10:22 GMT -5
I just watched Friday's episode, which was mind-numbingly bad and it seems that most of the viewers shared my opinion, because ratings fell under 10% for the first time since February There were only three halfway emotionally captivating scenes: - I laughed out loud, when Luise's dad warned her on phone with his whiny voice: "Don't do anything stupid, darling!....." (with Gregor apparently ;D) -Elisabeth-Sebastian-Olivia scene was somehow interesting (Sebastian found out, that Elisabeth is "babysitting" him). -Gregor and Luise looked needy in the hangar (but previous Snow Patrol montage sucked big time). ..................................... Anyway, why am I posting it in this thread? Writing was so boring and blank, that I freaked out and searched who wrote it and who will write next Ollian episodes (June 3/4)... Friday's story-liner was Philip Bathe, who will also write episodes of May 12, 22 and 27. I don't know, if he has written anything before (I have data only between April 13 and June 5 and I haven't saved older stuff). Episodes 3395-3399 (May 27 - June 4) are in one block, which means that story is developed in the same group. June 3 is written by Katrin Esser (this aforementioned former head-writer of AWZ, who's considered as an important asset by production company). I find it interesting, because it's the first episode of VL she has written (as much as I remember), although she has worked for VL since the end of the last year as a story-editor. I thought that maybe it's because of Ollian and TPTB said her: "you have written gay-stories before, we don't know what to do with them, so try your hand" On the other hand, Carla-Ansgar story escalates around the same time and maybe she was brought in because of that? It would be logical, because this story seams to be very important for the show as a whole. June 4 is written by Christian Schünemann (one of "Verliebt in Berlin" guys). Some of his other episodes: May 11, 15, June 5. I don't remember at the moment, if he has written any episodes before. So, it's mostly only speculation, but it seams that there is a chance that TPTB are trying to use Esser's experience for Ollian's benefit, which would be a good sign, because it would show that they invest a little bit into this couple. Or I'm just trying to find positive signs during crappy times ;D |
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Post by lolaruns on May 12, 2009 0:31:58 GMT -5
Yay, looking forward to Katrin Esser. I hope she'll be good Say, so you can see who writes what ahead of time? so do any of these already have Feiler rather than Schlesselmann? |
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Post by brownsugar on May 12, 2009 21:37:36 GMT -5
Andre...I see you know the ratings for last Friday's episode, which i'm honestly glad Ollian wasn't a part of since it declined 10% from the previous day when Ollian were featured quite a lot. And I know Ollian don't have anything major going on right now, but do still feature often, so I was wondering if you have any ratings info you could post? I'm especially interested in how the ratings were for the episode with the new NL opening. I'm always interested in how viewership is going for VL.
Thanks!
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Post by chrollifan on May 13, 2009 17:28:46 GMT -5
Say, so you can see who writes what ahead of time? so do any of these already have Feiler rather than Schlesselmann? No, there are only few names mentioned in this database, like director and episode writer. Everything else is only in closing credits. It seems that some-kinda change happens at the end of May according to spoilers (storytelling is faster among other things). I don't know if it's a transition period or is Feiler writing already herself. There should be around 3 months cap between writing and episode airing and she was added into April's Drehspiegel as Chefautorin, so she probably took over sometimes in March. As for the ratings, they are most of the time between 11-12 percent, without big rises and also big falls. There were two days under 10%, but it seems that it was only exception. Friday's episode was particularly bad IMO and Monday was at least partly pope's "fault" (there was a special program about pope's visit in Israel before VL, which had very poor ratings and dragged VL down too). But this Tuesday's episode had 11,7 again. I haven't watched full episodes since last week, so I don't know if things are better now or not, but some people said that this episode was LySeb-free, which is a huge plus Maybe I would've still kept watching for a while despite all the boredom and nonsense, but these two pushed me over the line Now I will rely on the kind help of Ivan and Mittag (I'm still remotely interested in lesbian stuff, probably because of Charlie ;D) If you have any questions in the future please send me a PM. I'm not reading all what's written in this forum and because of that I noticed your posts few days later, sorry. Real life and other hobbies have been lately more interesting than VL |
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Post by kes on May 14, 2009 16:16:28 GMT -5
I couldn't resist posting an idea for VL: The newest version of Vista/Internet Explorer/Google has a feature that allows you to input buttons onto your homepage. (I suppose this sort of thing has been around for a while.) I can get Der Spiegel, for example -- a little box with headlines that I can read. There are also videos, etc. Why not have a VL clip of the day for us diehards to access? Or a Chrolli shot of the day? Anyway, just a thought . . . I wonder how someone gets a button? Some of my fav. left wing blogs are on there, and foreign content (even the Thai paper). Why not VL? |
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Post by brownsugar on May 14, 2009 20:26:26 GMT -5
Say, so you can see who writes what ahead of time? so do any of these already have Feiler rather than Schlesselmann? No, there are only few names mentioned in this database, like director and episode writer. Everything else is only in closing credits. It seems that some-kinda change happens at the end of May according to spoilers (storytelling is faster among other things). I don't know if it's a transition period or is Feiler writing already herself. There should be around 3 months cap between writing and episode airing and she was added into April's Drehspiegel as Chefautorin, so she probably took over sometimes in March. As for the ratings, they are most of the time between 11-12 percent, without big rises and also big falls. There were two days under 10%, but it seems that it was only exception. Friday's episode was particularly bad IMO and Monday was at least partly pope's "fault" (there was a special program about pope's visit in Israel before VL, which had very poor ratings and dragged VL down too). But this Tuesday's episode had 11,7 again. I haven't watched full episodes since last week, so I don't know if things are better now or not, but some people said that this episode was LySeb-free, which is a huge plus Maybe I would've still kept watching for a while despite all the boredom and nonsense, but these two pushed me over the line Now I will rely on the kind help of Ivan and Mittag (I'm still remotely interested in lesbian stuff, probably because of Charlie ;D) If you have any questions in the future please send me a PM. I'm not reading all what's written in this forum and because of that I noticed your posts few days later, sorry. Real life and other hobbies have been lately more interesting than VL Andre... thank you for the ratings, and I shall PM you next time. |
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Post by lolaruns on May 20, 2009 1:56:22 GMT -5
According to this article the current German government considers placing even more restrictions on the public channels (ARD which airs VL, ZDF and the regional public programming) by forbidding them to send any advertising at all (at the moment they are allowed to air a limited number of commercials between the different shows) and by introducing criterias to measure quality that the various programms have to fullfill. |
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 5, 2009 1:54:02 GMT -5
Episode before yesterday: 1,72 Mio 12,8%
Yesterday: 1,73 Mio 12,4%
So basically up in viewers a bit, down in percentages a bit but all in all VL has been stable between 12 and 13 percent for about a week or so, so VL should be quite satisfied with the situation. (12,5%, 12,9%, 12,5% for the three preceeding episodes;) We don't have the younger viewers percentage yet, but it was slightly below 10 the last two days and above 10 the two before that.
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Post by kes on Jun 5, 2009 12:30:05 GMT -5
Thanks, Lola. This seems to be very good news. I appreciate your reporting it here.
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Post by brownsugar on Jun 5, 2009 21:26:48 GMT -5
Thank you so much Lola for the ratings. It is very much appreciated.
I'm very interested with how the rating are when Ollian play a major apart in one particular episode. I'm very pleased that the ratings remained steady. Naturally I don't want the ratings to go down whenever Ollian are mainly featured.
I have a big smile on my face right now. This is good news.
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 16, 2009 0:35:30 GMT -5
Here and here and here is a slightly longer and in depth "My life on VL" feature. It's from 1999, but has some pretty good behind the scenes looks of things that I assume haven't changed a whole lot. She also mentions that during her time there was a time when a lot of contracts ran out and a lot of people behind and in front the scenes left and that it was very noticable to her.
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 19, 2009 2:30:59 GMT -5
First time in a while that they have fallen below 11 percent again:
1,43 Mio. 10,9%
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 19, 2009 11:49:16 GMT -5
Hey Andre, any news yet on when Bernadette Feiler territory started?
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Post by chrollifan on Jun 19, 2009 18:39:26 GMT -5
Hey Andre, any news yet on when Bernadette Feiler territory started? I just watched the episode and she wasn't in closing credits as head writer, which means that another "checkpoint" is next Friday (new block). She was one of three story-editors last week, but this week she is not mentioned at all. I believe she will take over probably in next few weeks. |
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Post by brownsugar on Jun 20, 2009 0:57:56 GMT -5
First time in a while that they have fallen below 11 percent again: 1,43 Mio. 10,9% Lola...was this rating for Wednesdays or Thursdays episode? Thanks!! |
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 20, 2009 1:00:41 GMT -5
Thursday (Ollian fight day).
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And now can somebody clean up that continuity problem. Continuity within the SAME episode? 
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