lepew
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Post by lepew on May 1, 2008 1:44:39 GMT -5
I don't know... the other day I entered to the official VL website and they have loads of characters, and they only are related to a few of them.
But anyways, isn't that how it is in the real life?
BTW... I never knew the difference between Olli's and Christian's room... they're so similar... never understood very well the apartment's design anyways... it doesn't make sense... but again, it's fiction!
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Post by psionycx on May 1, 2008 1:56:21 GMT -5
That's why I said they were connected to people with whom it made logical sense like Gregor, Judith and Olivia.
I know I keep harping on ATWT, but another piece of absurdity that was going on for a while was that you had all these characters supposedly living on Snyder Farm, which is not a vast mansion of anything like that, and yet they somehow seemed mostly disconnected from each other's storylines, and indeed often somehow managed to avoid each other entirely.
Judith lives with Christian and Olli and thus it's natural that they have shown up in scenes related to her, rather than just being mysteriously absent. For example, the writers felt inclined to have her ask Christian and Olli to go out for the evening so that she could have private time with Fabian. If they were lazy they could have just left it up to the audience to assume they were off somewhere else. But instead they built some scenes around it. This seems like a small thing, but it shows good writing.
Likewise, Christian is Gregor's brother and they are close. Plus Christian works for Gregor. Logically he and Gregor would interact. But they also sometimes put Olli into the scenes as well which serves to connect him into the goings on too. Christian serves to say the things that the audience might want to say to Gregor watching his behavior. In this way he's used as a point of reference for the viewer. So we don't just see Gregor's self-destructive whoring around, but we have dialogue around it.
It just makes sense that people connect this way, and it's efficient use of characters.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 1, 2008 2:06:16 GMT -5
Great discussion on the bubbling of characters vs integration in other storylines, but let's keep this thread to discussing the spoilers and move this over to the "General Discussion" thread? Thanks That said, integration is a great thing!
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Post by lolaruns on May 1, 2008 6:45:58 GMT -5
I have to say, Christian and Oliver really do have a thing for public sex. And they are really bad at hiding it. Let's see, they get caught in the act on May 8th by Olivia (granted that's in their bed; but obviously they aren't familiar with the concept of locking the door). They get caught again by the boxing promoter on June 5th. And then again by Gregor on June 11th.
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Post by psionycx on May 1, 2008 10:48:10 GMT -5
Olli and Christian both seem to enjoy the thrill of it. ;D
Plus on some level Christian may want to come out ("I want to tell the whole world how happy I am with Olli.") and subconsciously this is a way of doing it.
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Post by jsg03jd on May 3, 2008 5:10:12 GMT -5
Olli and Christian both seem to enjoy the thrill of it. ;D Plus on some level Christian may want to come out ("I want to tell the whole world how happy I am with Olli.") and subconsciously this is a way of doing it. Newcomer here but I've been loving Olli and Christian for quite a while now. Definitely agree that Christian's subconscious/passive aggressiveness toward coming out plays a part with him and Olli getting caught in the act by Gregor. I cannot wait for those scenes to play out! If only Gregor would join in! Now that is some forbidden love there!!! ;D
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Post by psionycx on May 3, 2008 17:52:03 GMT -5
Much as I love seeing Gregor in any kind of undress, I'd be a little creeped out watching him have a threeway including his brother. When he suggested the two sisters thing to Christian I was desperately hoping that he was planning on separate bedrooms.
Christian's verbal coming out failed because Gregor didn't believe him. And because, admittedly, he stupidly got himself bogged down on the topic of sexual orientation rather than just admitting that he's dating Olli. The next logical step is, of course, to mount Olli in front of Gregor.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 3, 2008 17:56:06 GMT -5
Much as I love seeing Gregor in any kind of undress, I'd be a little creeped out watching him have a threeway including his brother. When he suggested the two sisters thing to Christian I was desperately hoping that he was planning on separate bedrooms. I have to agree about the creep facto. That's the kind of thing you do with friends, not family. I am glad that Gregor's freak out about Christian & Olli being together won't last long. Can you imagine how long it would drag out on an American soap? Oy.
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Post by jsg03jd on May 3, 2008 18:43:42 GMT -5
Christian's verbal coming out failed because Gregor didn't believe him. And because, admittedly, he stupidly got himself bogged down on the topic of sexual orientation rather than just admitting that he's dating Olli. The next logical step is, of course, to mount Olli in front of Gregor. Of course! LOL!!! Although, has the question of who mounts whom been settled with these two?
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Post by psionycx on May 3, 2008 23:57:43 GMT -5
Of course! LOL!!! Although, has the question of who mounts whom been settled with these two? Not on-screen. But Christian seems to become more assertive whenever he and Olli start going at it, plus he's new at all of this and has only been with women in the past. So I'm guessing that in all likelihood he's the one doing the mounting at this phase.
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Post by g73t on May 4, 2008 5:48:03 GMT -5
Of course! LOL!!! Although, has the question of who mounts whom been settled with these two? Not on-screen. But Christian seems to become more assertive whenever he and Olli start going at it, plus he's new at all of this and has only been with women in the past. So I'm guessing that in all likelihood he's the one doing the mounting at this phase. yep ... definetely agree with you
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Post by brittanyerinxx on May 4, 2008 17:17:18 GMT -5
Does that mean Judith tells Fabian about Christian and Olli to make him understand or does she just make something up? I wonder
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Post by jsg03jd on May 4, 2008 18:37:54 GMT -5
I just saw a clip and it looked like Gregor and Olivia did the deed. Will Olivia tell Olli that they're both tag teaming the Brothers Mann?
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Post by Mounti on May 4, 2008 18:55:51 GMT -5
Does that mean Judith tells Fabian about Christian and Olli to make him understand or does she just make something up? I wonder Judith "spends" herself as Christian's girlfriend to protect him from the box colleague who has a problem with gays. Fabian seems to displease this. So Judith tells him about Christian and Oliver.
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Post by psionycx on May 4, 2008 20:13:34 GMT -5
Judith "spends" herself as Christian's girlfriend to protect him from the box colleague who has a problem with gays. Fabian seems to displease this. So Judith tells him about Christian and Oliver. Fabian needs to worry more about Constantin. If anything, finding out that your girlfriend's two hot male roommates are a couple is usually a relief. However, Christian does seem to be a partisan for Constantin in the race for Judith's affections. So what's the chain of spreading news from Fabian to the rest of the characters on the show? Gregor's going to find out on his own long before he finds out from Fabian.
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Post by bugchicklv on May 4, 2008 23:10:56 GMT -5
I just saw a clip and it looked like Gregor and Olivia did the deed. Will Olivia tell Olli that they're both tag teaming the Brothers Mann? Hee! Won't THAT be an interesting conversation?!! ;D Also, they are both just F*cked up enough that they might actually make it as a couple (if that is how the story goes)...although, it might kinda creep out both Olli and Christian to know their relatives are getting it on. (My dirtybadwrong brain is of course taking Jo's comment--about speculating who Olli would want a relationship with if this thing with Christian doesn't work out and saying Olivia and/or Gregor-- and GOING WILD with the fourgy possibilities. Ack. I SO need help.)
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Post by lolaruns on May 4, 2008 23:42:32 GMT -5
From the caption I kinda got the impression that Fabian already knows about Christian and Olli, because it indicates that the reason he is unhappy with it is just because she didn't tell him first that she was gonna do it. I dunno. He seems pretty indifferent to me (he says nice things about Fabian too). I think he just supports whatever will get Judith to shut up faster. That said, with Constantin he seems to have at least some history (even if it's just about them running into roughly the same circles during the Andi/Lisa/Nico/Coco days) while Fabian is a new character. As for Gregor/Olivia, sadly we didn't really see anything of them together and afterwards Gregor seems to trying to get rid for her rather deftly even for Gregor standards. Speaking of Olivia, I kind of love how some character traits are kept around on VL, like Christian's deep dislike for Olivia (and to be fair, considering that she tried to trap his friend Andi into marriage with a fake baby, it's not like he lacks the reason). It's always good for some humor
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Post by stuartsez on May 5, 2008 1:00:29 GMT -5
I watched an older clip of Judith moving in and Olivia came and yelled at Olli that he hadn't offered her the room first and Olli said he couldn't because of Christian and she got angry and more or less called him whipped. What clip was that? I don't remember it from any of the subbed ones.
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Post by lolaruns on May 5, 2008 1:49:00 GMT -5
I wasn't subbed, I'm guessing because Christian and Olli weren't on together.
Remember when Judith cooked everybody dinner because they helped her move and Lisa and Olivia ganged up on her? It was a couple episodes before that and actually showed this event, Judith moving in, Christian, Lisa and Fabian help her unpack. Olli is only seen leaving the appartment because he is driving the moving van back to where they borrowed it and he runs into Olivia who nags him about Judith getting the room (it actually provides a useful explanation of why Olivia would team up with Lisa against Judith because she is mad that Judith got the room).
I also probably has the very first "Judith talks incessently about Fabian while Christian looks half disturbed/half fascinated that anybody could talk that much" conversation.
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Post by bugchicklv on May 5, 2008 2:29:17 GMT -5
I also probably has the very first "Judith talks incessently about Fabian while Christian looks half disturbed/half fascinated that anybody could talk that much" conversation. God, I so love that look Christian gets when she rambles on...it's just adorable. Also, thanks for the info about what happened in that ep. I couldn't figure out why Lisa and Olivia were so buddy-buddy like that...and a part of me DID wonder why the room(s?) weren't offered to Olivia. I mean, I know Christian intensely dislikes her...but if they have the space and need the help with rent you just sort of make do, you know?
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Post by bugchicklv on May 5, 2008 2:48:19 GMT -5
Poor Oliver if Christian will start to take steroids (aren't they supposed to make you impotent?) lol LOL! Well, depending on the type taken it CAN shrink your nads! Also, I took a nap this afternoon and had a horrible dream...going through the spoiler and discussion threads I think I know where it came from. psionycx said: "Not every challenge in a relationship has to involve a third person infringing on the relationship." dkellergrl2001 said: "I love that the spoiler/problems coming up for the couple is about Christian and boxing." lolaruns said: "Because of Oliver, Christian resists the temptation of doping and demands that instead Olli has to train with him." COMBINE all that with a discussion I read on LJ about how Olli doesn't seem to have his own dreams to follow... And we get my screwed up "Olli turns out to be a better boxer than Christian is and he gets all the attention from the promoters/Gregor; Olli decides he wants to pursue it, Christian resents it, they fight (literally) and then break up" dream. I tried Judith's "dream catcher" trick--I have one too-- but no matter how hard I concentrated on falling back to sleep so that I could dream of them having hot, sweaty, reconciliation sex...it didn't happen. *sniff* Good thing I don't think Olli would stoop to that.
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Post by amber80 on May 5, 2008 11:10:15 GMT -5
Awww... That sounds like a bad dream; the 'hot, sweaty, reconciliation sex dream' sounds much better!!
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Post by Bonobochick on May 5, 2008 11:21:38 GMT -5
Hey folks, let's make sure we're sticking to only discussing spoilers here. Everything else should go to the "General Discussion" thread.
Thanks.
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Post by jsg03jd on May 5, 2008 22:18:52 GMT -5
With the upcoming boxing storyline, I'm just wondering, is it a big deal on VL to have a scene where two characters say those three little words to each other? In other words, do you think that somewhere down the road, Christian and Olli will say "Ich liebe dich" to one another?
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Post by lolaruns on May 5, 2008 23:03:20 GMT -5
Good thought. I have to say because of the way they are, I could picture it taking a long time, I could picture them skirting around the issue rather than saying the words (let's say, Christian in the hospital after being beaten to a pulp and Olli by his side telling him that if Christian ever scares him like that again he'll kick his ass or some joking "There's no way I'll ever let you go" stuff) and I could picture there being second hand ILYs first (like Christian telling Gregor he loves Olli, rather than straight forward telling Olli that he loves him). Christian was fairly good with telling Coco he loved her, but I always got the impression that that was at least partly him adapting to Coco's style and knowing that that was what she wanted/needed (this level of expressing himself I mean, not the emotion). But who knows? The show might surprise me
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