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Post by Bonobochick on May 11, 2008 23:36:18 GMT -5
I am DVRing tonight's ep with the commitment ceremony even though I have never watched this show. I will probably catch it after work on Monday & be hopelessly lost.
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Post by harmonium on May 12, 2008 2:56:14 GMT -5
The new season finale clip is now on the main page!! Edit: I've just watched it. Although it's a simple ceremony but it's so sweet. I really like what Nora did and her words just swept me away. I think she is probably the first "TV" parent of a gay son that is so encouraging and supportive of her gay son's actions and she makes it all look so genuine. It makes me wonder if my mom will be supportive of me if I ever did what Kevin did. (Sadly, I haven't come out yet...) All in all, it's a great episode. And I love the brotherly moments the Tommy, Kevin and Justin shared. And of course, Kitty's message is really sweet. And you can see Sarah tearing during Kitty's message. And I thought it's pretty ironic that when Kevin and Scotty exchanged rings, the camera was on Saul.
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Post by psionycx on May 12, 2008 20:42:39 GMT -5
Let's recap here:
1) "Wedding" scheduled like three days in advance and "nothing fancy please": check
2) Guests: immediate family, a handful of lawyers, several rent boys and one Republican U.S. senator who voted for a Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage: check
3) One failed bachelor party for Kevin. Gods know what Scotty did (bake cake presumably): check
4) One wedding feast, prepared by Groom #2 (aka "The Bride" or "Cinderella"): check
5) Two suits, looking like they'd just come off the clearance rack at the Burlington Coat Factory. Unflattering colors for either Groom's complexion: check
6) Flower arrangements, provided by Mother with pruning sheers and a fortuitously large and well-landscaped backyard: check
7) Wedding venue: Mother's TV room. Springtime California climate apparently being disagreeable to using the yard. That or Nora was embarrassed at how badly she had to butcher her landscaping to provide flowers for the ceremony: check
8) Homophobic new in-laws boycotting wedding in protest of son's homosexuality: check
9) Officiator, a former conservative political pundit who has expressed opposition to same-sex marriage (but supports "civil unions") and is married to/works for Republican U.S. senator who voted for Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage (see item #2): check
10) Two rings. Ooops, no, wait a second. Two borrowed rings. One borrowed from die hard Republican brother, the other borrowed from Republican U.S. senator who voted for Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage (see items #2 & #9): check
and of course....
11) One honeymoon. Or not. Maybe they both had to work the next day? And Kevin had a not really urgent revelation that just had to be made on his wedding night even if it meant leaving Groom #2 (aka "Back on the Market") to masturbate to an old Jeff Stryker video he found squirrelled in the chair cushions behind the Liza Minelli pillow: check
As you can see, I'm having a slightly hard time taking this "wedding" too seriously.
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Post by amber80 on May 14, 2008 8:21:38 GMT -5
Well, I liked it...
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Post by ivaniv on May 14, 2008 12:03:51 GMT -5
Me too. Kevin did not want it to be a big deal, but they all pulled together and made it a memorable day for him and Scotty Just how Nora welcomed Scotty into the family counts for more than some monstrous wedding ceremony
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Post by amber80 on May 14, 2008 13:25:34 GMT -5
Saul's coming out.
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Post by psionycx on May 14, 2008 20:00:27 GMT -5
Me too. Kevin did not want it to be a big deal, but they all pulled together and made it a memorable day for him and Scotty Just how Nora welcomed Scotty into the family counts for more than some monstrous wedding ceremony No, it was the end of an already-shortened season so the producers decided to save a few bucks by throwing the absolute minimum "wedding" possible. Also, they crammed about four episodes worth of storyline into a single 42 minute episode. That's the real reason for this hack-and-slash approach to a finale. Trust me, once the initial glow wears off and we have time to think clearly we'll be asking ourselves why we thought this was any good.
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Post by GayTime on May 14, 2008 20:12:32 GMT -5
Me too. Kevin did not want it to be a big deal, but they all pulled together and made it a memorable day for him and Scotty Just how Nora welcomed Scotty into the family counts for more than some monstrous wedding ceremony No, it was the end of an already-shortened season so the producers decided to save a few bucks by throwing the absolute minimum "wedding" possible. Also, they crammed about four episodes worth of storyline into a single 42 minute episode. That's the real reason for this hack-and-slash approach to a finale. Trust me, once the initial glow wears off and we have time to think clearly we'll be asking ourselves why we thought this was any good. trust me, i watched the episode several times already and i still stand by my original thought that it was good. it was completely in line with the general story telling of B&S. the only thing i wholeheartedly agree with you on is that it was 'rushed' due to the writers' strike induced shortening of the season. but i think the BEAUTY of B&S is exactly that it shows us - at last - that neither side of the fence is only black or white. why would a republican not be at his brother's gay wedding or even help out with a ring? it shows was true in most people's life: family / love for a person is stronger than perceived ideological ties. granted, it was preaching to the choir. i guess the 12 million people watching B&S do so because they share its 'ideology'. but still - whatever was rushed was more than made up by the wonderful lines nora and kitty had in this episode.
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Post by psionycx on May 14, 2008 22:17:36 GMT -5
granted, it was preaching to the choir. i guess the 12 million people watching B&S do so because they share its 'ideology'. but still - whatever was rushed was more than made up by the wonderful lines nora and kitty had in this episode. On the contrary, I would have liked an explanation as to why Kevin would select Kitty of all people, who has flat out said to his face that she doesn't support same-sex marriage, to officiate at this "ceremony". Was it because this wasn't a "real" marriage and thus got a free pass? Or has she genuinely changed her views on same-sex marriage? Has Robert? Or does it just not matter anymore since he's no longer running for president? Would he and Kitty have come if he still were? Or was he too okay with it because it was only a domestic partnership? We don't really know because it wasn't discussed. God knows the flagrantly ad hoc nature of this event certainly made it not seem like a real wedding. Kevin's incredibly lax attitude both before and after the ceremony kind of suggests that this wasn't, in fact, a big event in his life. I mean come on, they actually forgot to get rings!!!!The only time that ever happens to straight people is when they're extremely drunk and get married at a Vegas wedding chapel at 2:00am! Is it humanly possible to take one's own wedding less seriously?! To you, this is gush worthy. But remember that 90% of the audience is not gay people desperately looking for any crumb of validation they can find on TV. Scotty's mother declared this marriage a farce and to be complete honest I am unwillingly forced to agree with her. It looks like a couple of gay guys having a "pretend" wedding. There was no build up, no development of storyline, no resolution of some lingering interpersonal issues and the climax was a flop. Based on the mere hypothetical speculation that he had possible evidence of another Walker son Kevin left his partner on their wedding night to go deliver an unsubstantiated theory to his sister and mother! To me that was the icing on the cake of ambivalence. It's very sad, because the proposal was great. The actual wedding, well, it really kind of fell short of the promise.
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Post by GayTime on May 15, 2008 1:07:26 GMT -5
granted, it was preaching to the choir. i guess the 12 million people watching B&S do so because they share its 'ideology'. but still - whatever was rushed was more than made up by the wonderful lines nora and kitty had in this episode. On the contrary, I would have liked an explanation as to why Kevin would select Kitty of all people, who has flat out said to his face that she doesn't support same-sex marriage, to officiate at this "ceremony". Was it because this wasn't a "real" marriage and thus got a free pass? Or has she genuinely changed her views on same-sex marriage? Has Robert? Or does it just not matter anymore since he's no longer running for president? Would he and Kitty have come if he still were? Or was he too okay with it because it was only a domestic partnership? We don't really know because it wasn't discussed. God knows the flagrantly ad hoc nature of this event certainly made it not seem like a real wedding. Kevin's incredibly lax attitude both before and after the ceremony kind of suggests that this wasn't, in fact, a big event in his life. I mean come on, they actually forgot to get rings!!!!The only time that ever happens to straight people is when they're extremely drunk and get married at a Vegas wedding chapel at 2:00am! Is it humanly possible to take one's own wedding less seriously?! To you, this is gush worthy. But remember that 90% of the audience is not gay people desperately looking for any crumb of validation they can find on TV. Scotty's mother declared this marriage a farce and to be complete honest I am unwillingly forced to agree with her. It looks like a couple of gay guys having a "pretend" wedding. There was no build up, no development of storyline, no resolution of some lingering interpersonal issues and the climax was a flop. Based on the mere hypothetical speculation that he had possible evidence of another Walker son Kevin left his partner on their wedding night to go deliver an unsubstantiated theory to his sister and mother! To me that was the icing on the cake of ambivalence. It's very sad, because the proposal was great. The actual wedding, well, it really kind of fell short of the promise. well, this just goes to show that any two people do not see the same thing when they watch a tv show or a movie :-) 1. the whole ring thing was totally in line with the set- up of brothers & sisters. something was going to go wrong, this time it was the wedding rings. could've been kevin or scotty would get diarrhea 5 minutes before the wedding, but it was the rings... so, whatever. and actually, i thought that robert and tommy would both immediately volunteer their rings quite a nice touch by the writers. 2. kitty is ambivalent because she loves her brother & is a republican. she has repeated several times that she supports kevin and has called robert out on voting on their fictional version of the marriage amendment. 3. of course it wasn't a real wedding since those remain impossible in the united states. don't even start with massachusetts - nice and all, don't get me wrong, but these marriage certificates are not worth the paper they are issued on. 4. the whole ryan- the- maybe- or- maybe- not latest sibling in the walker clan- i'm perfectly willing to fanwank that away as the time constraint put on by the shortened season. was it the best solution? of course not, but that's what we got thanks to stubborn writers & studios. :-)
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Post by harmonium on May 15, 2008 1:58:57 GMT -5
Actually someone on youtube actually pointed out this very special subtle piece of information: Something Blue = Kitty's Dress Something Old = Scotty's Father's Wedding Cufflings Something Borrowed = Rings. And according to Yahoo! Ask: There's a saying which is commonly practiced as a wedding custom in the old days: Something old, something new Something borrowed, something blue And a silver sixpence in her shoe. A sixpence is a coin that was minted in Britain from 1551 to 1967. It was made of silver and worth six pennies. So this wedding tradition is definitely English, and many sources say that it began in the Victorian era. Each item in this poem represents a good-luck token for the bride. If she carries all of them on her wedding day, her marriage will be happy. "Something old" symbolizes continuity with the bride's family and the past. "Something new" means optimism and hope for the bride's new life ahead. "Something borrowed" is usually an item from a happily married friend or family member, whose good fortune in marriage is supposed to carry over to the new bride. The borrowed item also reminds the bride that she can depend on her friends and family. As for the colorful item, blue has been connected to weddings for centuries. In ancient Rome, brides wore blue to symbolize love, modesty, and fidelity. Christianity has long dressed the Virgin Mary in blue, so purity was associated with the color. Before the late 19th century, blue was a popular color for wedding gowns, as evidenced in proverbs like, "Marry in blue, lover be true." And finally, a silver sixpence in the bride's shoe represents wealth and financial security. It may date back to a Scottish custom of a groom putting a silver coin under his foot for good luck. For optimum fortune, the sixpence should be in the left shoe. These days, a dime or a copper penny is sometimes substituted, and many companies sell keepsake sixpences for weddings. I thought it's really interesting!! Just that we don't know what's the "something new" and that if Scotty did put a silver sixpence in his shoe.
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Post by psionycx on May 15, 2008 21:04:43 GMT -5
Okay, so now that the state court of California has gone ahead an declared that same-sex couples must be allowed the right to legally marry, should Kevin and Scotty have a do-over and this time make it a real wedding?
After all, it's not as if Brothers & Sisters doesn't reuse existing plotlines anyway. Case-in-point, the "it looks like we want Rebecca to get it on with Justin but we don't want an incest storyline so let's make so that she's not really a Walker and we'll just go with William having another mistress with whom he had a child whose name conveniently also starts with an "R"" plot.
Maybe now we can actually cover the stuff that got flushed to save screen time for shots of Kitty with her legs in the air hoping the sperm would swim downhill more easily. You know, like the question of where she and Senator McCoppertone stand on same-sex marriage when it really is same-sex marriage and not just a commitment ceremony.
Now I have yet another reason to lament the fact that they didn't save this storyline for next season!
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Post by ivaniv on May 16, 2008 6:00:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I would also have liked to see a build-up towards that wedding, now it was rushed. But they needed something for the finale and they needed to plant the story of a new half-sibling too. I agree on Rebecca...
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Post by overtherainbow on May 16, 2008 10:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 1, 2013 18:57:13 GMT -5
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