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Post by carld2 on Mar 30, 2011 11:07:22 GMT -5
I find that hard to believe. There were deleted scenes which were put online after the final episode, and they all involved young characters, Craig, and Lily, and Rosanna. They could have included the Lisa/Kim/Bob scenes in there.
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Post by carld2 on Mar 30, 2011 11:13:54 GMT -5
While I have a chance I was going to post some links to Hank Elliot's story, ATWT's first gay character and the first gay man ever on daytime. He was a fashion designer who arrived in summer 1988 and became close to Iva Snyder (Luke's grandmother). One night they went out to dinner, and went to the pond. To her surprise, he came out to her. She had some feelings for him, but quickly knew that he needed her as a friend. He confided in her about his life. The full episode can't be embedded, but you can find them on Youtube under Oakdalian's account, as Hank Comes Out Day 1 and Day 2. The scenes are here: [youtube] www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmTfh3QK1lo&feature=related[/youtube]
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Post by carld2 on Mar 30, 2011 11:31:36 GMT -5
This is the scene where Hank, who had befriended Andy Dixon and tried to be like a mentor to him, comes out to him, only to get a very confused and upset reaction he wasn't expecting.
Andy got over it, but Andy's friend Paul, also Barbara's son of course, was disgusted, and took much longer to accept Hank. The March 16, 1989 episode has a lot of material about Hal, Barbara's husband, refusing to put up with Paul's homophobia, and Barbara trying to go along with Paul for the time being. This clip has a wonderful scene where she apologizes to Hank, and he talks about how much he enjoyed the friendship he once had with Paul.
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Post by carld2 on Mar 30, 2011 11:43:04 GMT -5
Hank's partner Charles stayed offcamera, in New York. He was a book editor. By February 1989, he'd been diagnosed with AIDS and was in the hospital. Hank was forbidden to see him by his parents. In this clip, which you have to go to Youtube to watch, he asks Charles' bigoted father for a chance. www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2Jcbm6e3c&feature=related
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Post by carld2 on Mar 30, 2011 12:17:11 GMT -5
This clip takes place the day after Hank came out to Andy. He talks to Hal and Barbara about Andy's rejection.
This continues on with that a bit.
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Post by carld2 on Mar 30, 2011 13:41:01 GMT -5
This is the episode where Hank comes out to Hal. It's at about 35 or minutes.
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Post by carld2 on Apr 3, 2011 20:08:06 GMT -5
Hank is shot.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Mar 29, 2012 11:55:54 GMT -5
Van Hansis Fan Page Message Board domain expire the message board is still there and will be out there for anyone who wants to read the fan fic or post anything new. s13.zetaboards.com/vanhansis
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 9, 2012 16:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 17, 2020 16:09:02 GMT -5
Various castmembers including Van Hansis and Jake Silbermann had a video chat reunion:
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Post by justinate on Sept 18, 2020 8:52:43 GMT -5
I saw someone posted that yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the last episode of ATWT.
Considering how much ATWT advanced gay representation on US daytime, it's sad to think that a decade later, there are no gay male regulars on US soaps.
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Post by cybersparky on Sept 18, 2020 14:01:30 GMT -5
I saw someone posted that yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the last episode of ATWT. Considering how much ATWT advanced gay representation on US daytime, it's sad to think that a decade later, there are no gay male regulars on US soaps. it's a sad state of affairs, i am currently rewatching the nuke story line at the minute, still a good story
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 22, 2020 14:59:37 GMT -5
I saw someone posted that yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the last episode of ATWT. Considering how much ATWT advanced gay representation on US daytime, it's sad to think that a decade later, there are no gay male regulars on US soaps. Soaps unlike telenovelas didn't understand the pass of time. I know their audience is conservative but the are failing to adapt and destined to extinction. While women in telenovelas evolved from the helpless victim to the brave woman, gay characters evolved too, from the minstrel to full developed characters. Of course there are people that miss the old ones (the success of turkish telenovelas just show that) but on southamerica they are in the XXI century. The worst part is most soaps have gay writers, in some cases gay head writers and they did absolutely nothing for the change
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Post by justinate on Sept 24, 2020 7:30:36 GMT -5
Soaps unlike telenovelas didn't understand the pass of time. I know their audience is conservative but the are failing to adapt and destined to extinction. While women in telenovelas evolved from the helpless victim to the brave woman, gay characters evolved too, from the minstrel to full developed characters. Of course there are people that miss the old ones (the success of turkish telenovelas just show that) but on southamerica they are in the XXI century. The worst part is most soaps have gay writers, in some cases gay head writers and they did absolutely nothing for the change Maybe telenovelas in Spain, but Latin America has not featured fully-developed gay male characters who carry their own storylines on telenovelas until the past couple of years. There were a couple of attempts that came in for so much backlash (e.g. Brazil) that they never reattempted in any meaningful way for years afterward. Mexico peaked last year with the Aristemo spin-off, but since then they haven't done a great job. The same thing happened in the USA, and I would blame that, more than gay headwriters, for the shortcomings in gay male representation on the soaps. Remember ATWT itself started out with a couple of gay kisses, but then underwent a very long ban after One Million Moms (more like One Thousand Bigots) hounded the network and sponsor. What ensued was months upon months of Nuke not being allowed to kiss, of increasingly lame excuses why they weren't sleeping together. It's worth noting that CBS has never portrayed a gay male kiss on any of its daytime soaps since then - not even on B&B which is set in the fashion industry in Los Angeles!!! OLTL was the next US soap to attempt a gay romance. They were allowed to have a love scene but the fallout was blamed for the show's sinking ratings and they were hastily written out before the show's cancellation. The same gay headwriter (Ron Carlivati) went to GH, where he established a gay couple who had sex onscreen - but ratings continued to fall and he was fired, and the gay couple relegated to the sidelines and ultimately broken up. They never had another love scene after he left the show. Days of Our Lives had the best representation - especially the years when Will was played by Guy Wilson and had an affair with Paul; they really steamed up the screen like in straight couples would. But Ken Corday, the producer whose parents created the show, was NEVER a fan of Will being gay and sacked the writers who wrote that sex scene right after it aired. And Ron Carlivati, who is now the headwriter, started out with some more risque gay stories but has clearly had his wings clipped. Maybe at this point he does not dare, which I can't blame him because if the ratings continue to sink, Corday & Co. will blame the gays. IMO, much of the poor treatment of gay men on US daytime is down to the executives, rather than the writers. Nowhere is it better exemplified than Y&R, another CBS soap, which actually planned to have legacy character Noah Newman (grandson of Victor and Nikki, son of Nick and Sharon) come out as gay. It was a slow-burn storyline, setting up breadcrumbs, and the scene of Noah admitting he was gay at his sister's graveside were filmed, but some homophobe at Sony (who own the show) didn't approve and fired not only the headwriter, but also Kevin Schmidt who played Noah at the time. The coming-out scenes never aired and the role of Noah has been straight since his recast (with an actor who is FAR too old to play Nick and Sharon's son). I wonder if gay storylines might have benefitted from going online, like a spin-off show that has characters drop in from the main show from time to time. They could be filmed on the same sets and attempt more risque stories, free from censorship and older viewers who are more likely to be homophobic. Look at the success of the Skam franchise and Thai/Pinoy BL stories. They might even have brought some younger viewers to the dying soaps.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 24, 2020 14:41:55 GMT -5
There's a very clear evolution on gay characters on telenovelas and that's not the case on soaps.
Luke and Noah were gold for ratings. People tend to forget that the storyline was a complete success, but they chicken out, they were on the background for most of the time and they let fade their popularity (anyway the show revived when Reid appeared).
I don't know if there's a real problem to show gay storylines on soap, the truth is we are not in 2008 anymore and soaps didn't evolved at all. They are destined to extinction
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