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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 10, 2008 18:16:45 GMT -5
*keeps mum on the Olivia part since I enjoy the character * I didn't really mean it as a negative comment - I quite like Olivia as a character too... .......I'm just not sure there is enough room for two characters like that on the same show....she even looks like Olivia
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Post by amber80 on Jul 10, 2008 18:34:20 GMT -5
Well, I like him in that t-shirt Me too!! I just wanted to point that out, but I saw I wasn't the only one... Am I really shallow if I say I was really hoping for some swimwear modelling by Christian, Olli and Gregor? I've already mentioned how hard it is for me to to get past the actress's age in relations to AJ's age but for me the men part is more that I am not feeling anything between them... no zing. It's not anti-chemistry like DeVa on AWZ but I am not wowed. Plus I thought Gregor had lots of zing with Sarah so that keeps coming to mind as well. Hmmm. Completely agreeing with you. I don't feel it. Gregor had lots of chemistry with Sarah (still liking her way better with him than with Leonard). And she's way too young for Gregor; she looks like she could be his daughter. Oh and Aldebaran: I don't like Christian's highlights either...
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Post by neand48 on Jul 10, 2008 18:43:52 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to have Ollian front and centre all the time, I fully realize that theirs is but one of the stories. What I like about the whole thing is that they're not isolated. We get to watch them interact with other characters. If it means no centre-stage... so be it. At least they're there.
As much as I like Gregor the brother, I'm growing more and more uncomfortable with Gregor the bird of prey. I'm glad they introduced Rebecca... She seems to have the fighting spirit required to tackle Gregor. I honestly wish Gregor wasn't so good-looking.
I have a love/hate relationship with Olivia. I'm in the wrong thread, right? I'm stopping... but where should I go?
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Post by summerinthecity on Jul 10, 2008 18:54:20 GMT -5
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Post by psionycx on Jul 10, 2008 19:07:46 GMT -5
Okay, right up front: Christian is adorable when he does his little boy things. Being all monkey and swinging from the tree was just too cute! But then we all know he loves the outdoors and I think he's been cooped up in town for too long. He needs to grab Olli, a tent and go play cowboys.
While I realize that Gregor has been bordering on a date rapist for a while now, which is of course not cool, I still feel some pity for him. He really was in love with Sarah and so excited about impending fatherhood. It's as if his whole life was yanked away and it took good husband/father Gregor with it.
To me what we're seeing with Rebecca is maybe more than infatuation. Gregor may have been fine with the swinging single thing, but now that he knows about Christian and Olli I have to wonder what goes through his head. Seeing Christian so in love, with someone so obviously devoted to him, has to prod something inside Gregor. As much as he claims that he doesn't want any attachments I wonder if he's lying to himself along with everyone else?
The failure to get Christian, Olli and Gregor into bathing suits was very disappointing though I must say.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 10, 2008 19:26:57 GMT -5
Okay, right up front: Christian is adorable when he does his little boy things. Being all monkey and swinging from the tree was just too cute! But then we all know he loves the outdoors and I think he's been cooped up in town for too long. He needs to grab Olli, a tent and go play cowboys. Absolutely totally 100% agree It was his comment "ripe for the picking" that really bothered me. A 30yr old talking about an 18 year old girl like that - doesn't really feel to me that he see's her as anything more than a challenge at the moment Very
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Post by Bonobochick on Jul 10, 2008 19:27:42 GMT -5
I'm just basically a little bit bored with this at the moment. Ollian as "Sideshow Bob"'s. I'm sure I'll get all a-twitter when they're back at center stage. Don't you mean Sideshow Mel? I've already mentioned how hard it is for me to to get past the actress's age in relations to AJ's age but for me the meh part is more that I am not feeling anything between them... no zing. It's not anti-chemistry like DeVa on AWZ but I am not wowed. Plus I thought Gregor had lots of zing with Sarah so that keeps coming to mind as well. Hmmm. Completely agreeing with you. I don't feel it. Gregor had lots of chemistry with Sarah (still liking her way better with him than with Leonard). And she's way too young for Gregor; she looks like she could be his daughter. Oh and Aldebaran: I don't like Christian's highlights either... Yea, I already commented about Thore's hair in the Fashion Thread and while it doesn't look like he was hit with the ugly stick now that he has them, I don't think it's flattering on him at all. It washes out his complexion. Hopefully someone ties him to a chair soon and puts a rinse in his hair to fix it. Oh good, another person who thought Gregor/Sarah was hot and GregorandRebecca (do they have a portmanteau yet?) is "eeeeeeh". I didn't think daughter like you but it comes across a bit on the desperate icky side; almost like a mid-life crisis (and Gregor is too young for that!) act. Sheepie, it's ok, I know what you meant by Olivia. I am still hoping she gets with Constantin though I know people are saying Rebecca & Constantin have that zing thatn is so far missing from GandR, so maybe we'll get an Olivia/Constantin/Rebecca/Gregor situation (for fun, let's throw Judith in there too!!) in the near future.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jul 10, 2008 19:29:21 GMT -5
neand48There's a thread for the rest of the cast. I think it's "VL Everyone Else" or something like that. It's on the front page like this thread. Also, wanted to say, yes, I realize that Ollian can't be front and center everytime. Like I said before, I'll perk up when they're the focus again.(spoiler) Which apparently isn't until the very last day of this month. So three weeks of meh!
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Post by tihkon2 on Jul 10, 2008 19:52:14 GMT -5
Here's Nanna's English subtitled version of today's episode:
Thanks Nanna!
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Post by psionycx on Jul 10, 2008 20:00:07 GMT -5
It was his comment "ripe for the picking" that really bothered me. A 30yr old talking about an 18 year old girl like that - doesn't really feel to me that he see's her as anything more than a challenge at the moment Gregor's had some anger issues towards women since the Sarah disaster. In a way I think that the sex is his revenge. The fact that he is so attractive and so many women succumb to him so easily gives him a sense of power and control after having been a victim with Sarah's infidelity and lost pregnancy. I think that a lot of Gregor's behavior is more posturing than serious. Okay, the catwalk stuff was definitely posturing. But I think it's indicative of something going on emotionally that Gregor doesn't want people, especially Christian, to see. I'm not saying he's in love with Rebecca. I just think he does want to fall in love with someone. Especially now that his brother has.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jul 10, 2008 20:16:43 GMT -5
It was his comment "ripe for the picking" that really bothered me. A 30yr old talking about an 18 year old girl like that - doesn't really feel to me that he see's her as anything more than a challenge at the moment Gregor's had some anger issues towards women since the Sarah disaster. In a way I think that the sex is his revenge. The fact that he is so attractive and so many women succumb to him so easily gives him a sense of power and control after having been a victim with Sarah's infidelity and lost pregnancy. I think that a lot of Gregor's behavior is more posturing than serious. Okay, the catwalk stuff was definitely posturing. But I think it's indicative of something going on emotionally that Gregor doesn't want people, especially Christian, to see. I'm not saying he's in love with Rebecca. I just think he does want to fall in love with someone. Especially now that his brother has. Does he want to fall in love with someone.... ......or does he want to feel loved by someone There's a subtle difference. I opt for the latter.
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Post by psionycx on Jul 10, 2008 20:42:44 GMT -5
Does he want to fall in love with someone.... ......or does he want to feel loved by someone There's a subtle difference. I opt for the latter. Okay, first off many thanks to Ivan, Nanna and Tihkon for their ongoing efforts! You know we love you guys! Now, in response to your point sheepie, I personally believe that any romantic love is, by it's nature, a two-way street. Look at our boys Olli and Christian. Olli certainly loved Christian even before he thought they could really be together. It was more painful than pleasant to be sure. Likewise, I think Christian wanted to be in love with Coco but wasn't really. Just like he didn't want to be in love with Olli but was. Gregor wasn't really a horrible, heartless person before and I don't think that he's managed to become one now. A psychologist once told me that anger is often the male form of depression. Gregor got hurt very badly, has subsequently been depressed and his depression has manifested itself as anger. He's scared to feel something for someone because the situation with Sarah hurt him so badly that he wants to protect his feelings. Hence he's adopted a very callous persona and started seeking cheap ego-boosting casual sex rather than relationships. I don't know. To me there's still this image of Gregor coming home with flowers for his pregnant wife and Christian commenting how many times he's done so. Gregor does love people, and indeed he still loves his brother. But it's not the same as having a partner of his own, especially with Christian so blatantly in love across the hallway.
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Post by RJ on Jul 10, 2008 20:44:15 GMT -5
Gregor's had some anger issues towards women since the Sarah disaster. In a way I think that the sex is his revenge. The fact that he is so attractive and so many women succumb to him so easily gives him a sense of power and control after having been a victim with Sarah's infidelity and lost pregnancy. I think that a lot of Gregor's behavior is more posturing than serious. Okay, the catwalk stuff was definitely posturing. But I think it's indicative of something going on emotionally that Gregor doesn't want people, especially Christian, to see. I'm not saying he's in love with Rebecca. I just think he does want to fall in love with someone. Especially now that his brother has. Does he want to fall in love with someone.... ......or does he want to feel loved by someone There's a subtle difference. I opt for the latter. I think he's afraid of falling in love, which would make him vulnerable to being hurt again, so he guards against it with his macho posturing. Deep down, he probably yearns for someone to care for him like Olli loves and cares for Christian.
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Post by psionycx on Jul 10, 2008 20:52:54 GMT -5
I think he's afraid of falling in love, which would make him vulnerable to being hurt again, so he guards against it with his macho posturing. Deep down, he probably yearns for someone to care for him like Olli loves and cares for Christian. That's what I got from the scene in the hallway. Gregor doesn't seem to feel the need to justify himself much these days but here he was the very picture of internal conflict. Especially sitting down so pitifully in the hallway like that! Unfortunately Christian was in full-on paladin-champion-of-justice mode and was blasting Gregor with the full force of his glare of righteousness before retreating back into the flatshare (presumably to make out with Olli off-camera). I think Christian gets what's wrong with his brother but is weary of trying to divert him from his hunting.
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Post by calaeb on Jul 10, 2008 21:39:28 GMT -5
.... before retreating back into the flatshare (presumably to make out with Olli off-camera). gotta kill the time somehow
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Post by j9l45 on Jul 10, 2008 21:57:34 GMT -5
I'm really glad the boat trip wasn't C+O's idea. Twas definitely more along the lines of Gregor's seduction style. He must own stock in champagne. I'm not sure sure how I feel about Rebecca at this point. On the one hand, I like that someone is finally resisting Gregor. On the other hand I feel like I am watching every Meg Ryan movie ever. (Though it's still not as bad as Nancy/Ravi on HO.) But what she said about his wife was a low blow and I hope somebody calls her out for it. At least when Olli was calling Christian spoiled he was defending somebody and not just trying to insult him. I think I could really like the character (I like the actress so far), I just don't like her behavior in this particular storyline. It's just too forced and cutesy. With Gregor they have her all, "I'm cute, and spunky, but really helpless underneath it all." I mean, she's been carried around twice in two days. And shouldn't a fashion design school care more about the actual clothes than the photographs? At least to just get in. Cause that's an awfully high investment monetarily just to apply. The fabric and sewing machine and stuff I understand, but camera equipment? Gregor looks great wet, but seriously, how close is that lake that his hair would still be that wet by the time they got back to No Limits. To stop sounding so negative, (since I don't mean to, and I actually thought the episode was ok) these screencaps of Christian really cracked me up. ;D
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Post by psionycx on Jul 10, 2008 22:36:55 GMT -5
Gregor would have looked better wet had he been wearing white linen...
Though now that you mention it, it was rather odd that they were still wet.
The jury's still out on Rebecca's helpless-yet-spunky routine. I'm not straight so I can't speak to the appeal that a nubile barely-out-of-her-teens waif like her might have for a man like Gregor. At what age do most girls in Germany lose their virginity anyway? And what is the drinking age? Is Gregor at risk of prosecution for serving alcohol to a minor? Looking closely she does seem to be only slightly beyond "Hannah Montana".
I wouldn't be worried about the being carried around thing. One of those instances was by a couple of gay guys. She's just lucky it wasn't part of a Broadway musical dance number.
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Post by restenergy on Jul 10, 2008 23:04:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed seeing our boys and all. I enjoyed Christian's swing from the tree. Olli looking for the camera in his bag. I liked seeing Christian tell his brother off. But it didn't do much for me today. I think it's because Christian is a supporting character in all this, and Olli is supporting too, but much more in the background. I know it's about Gregor and Rebecca, but I'd still like to see more of Olli and Christian. Hopefully we'll once again get them as the main event soon. Oh, and Aldebaran's picture selection was fine as always. We seem to appreciate many similar things. ;D Also, Psionycx, the broadway musical comment was too funny.
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Post by RJ on Jul 10, 2008 23:39:55 GMT -5
I'm really glad the boat trip wasn't C+O's idea. Twas definitely more along the lines of Gregor's seduction style. He must own stock in champagne. Did you forget that he's the proprietor of No Limits and gets the champagne wholesale?
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Post by aussie54 on Jul 11, 2008 0:10:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure sure how I feel about Rebecca at this point ... what she said about his wife was a low blow and I hope somebody calls her out for it. At least when Olli was calling Christian spoiled he was defending somebody and not just trying to insult him. ... I just don't like her behavior in this particular storyline. It's just too forced and cutesy. With Gregor they have her all, "I'm cute, and spunky, but really helpless underneath it all." I mean, she's been carried around twice in two days. And shouldn't a fashion design school care more about the actual clothes than the photographs? At least to just get in. Cause that's an awfully high investment monetarily just to apply. The fabric and sewing machine and stuff I understand, but camera equipment? I very much agree with you about these points, j9l45. I kept thinking ... if it was that important to me, I'd beg, borrow or steal a camera, and get those shots done, even if it wasn't a top of the range camera. But then we wouldn't have had Gregor come to the rescue. ;D
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 11, 2008 0:30:51 GMT -5
I think drinking age is 16 in Germany.
Personally, I was more creeped out by Gregor using Miriam for a one night stand before she had finished highschool. I know that "preparing for my last exam" and "finished highschool and applying to colleges" is just a cosmetic difference of a few months, but somehow her still being in highschool bugs me more.
That said, a lot of girls I went to highschool with had their first real post high school relationship with guys who were 30 or pushing 30. I don't really know why. The relationships lasted a reasonably long time and weren't unhealthy or abusive or anything. So I don't really have a negative opinion on relationships like that, I just don't really have a high opinion of the relationships being forever in most cases. But that's just me. (of course my parents met with her right out of highschool and with just that age difference and are still happy; but it was a different time)
As for the plan, I don't think that the boys were involved. Christian made an "uh-oh" face when Gregor told him that he needed their help and I think the "help" was just that he wanted them to not show up at the designated time/place.
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Post by j9l45 on Jul 11, 2008 1:29:12 GMT -5
Personally, I was more creeped out by Gregor using Miriam for a one night stand before she had finished highschool. I know that "preparing for my last exam" and "finished highschool and applying to colleges" is just a cosmetic difference of a few months, but somehow her still being in highschool bugs me more. I didn't realize Miriam was supposed to be that young. That's really, really, really disturbing. What are those VL writers thinking?
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 11, 2008 1:32:03 GMT -5
Both Contantin and Miriam mentioned studying for their "Abi" which is the last big exam of highschool.
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Post by hach on Jul 11, 2008 2:17:50 GMT -5
I think drinking age is 16 in Germany. It depends on the type of alcoholic beverage. Beer, wine, champagne: 16 years (14 years when accompanied by a parent) Brandy-containing products including alcopops: 18 years (without exception)
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Post by j9l45 on Jul 11, 2008 2:21:28 GMT -5
Both Constantin and Miriam mentioned studying for their "Abi" which is the last big exam of highschool. Ack! Now you're freaking me out about my Constantine lust. Just have to remind myself: the actor is older. the actor is older, the actor is older, the actor is older, the actor is older, the actor is older
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