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Post by ivaniv on May 11, 2008 3:16:16 GMT -5
Which word, selfish?  I use the other word quite indiscriminately both on men and women when I think it fits, nothing sexist from me there, but OK, I'll try to use more salonfähig words in the future. |
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Post by lolaruns on May 11, 2008 6:49:00 GMT -5
Tanja, the local villainness opened a modelling agency. Sarah was at the party and some famous guy fell in love with her look and demanded that Tanja get Sarah to do his campaign or else he wouldn't support the agency. So Tanja made Rick get Sarah addicted to cocaine so Sarah would become desperate enough to sign the modelling contract.
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Post by jsg03jd on May 11, 2008 9:17:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses!
I still like Olivia, but I have to say that she is more than toeing the line with Olli, the one person in her family she seems to get along with. I was pretty surprised at Olli's anger when he threw towel (literally and figuratively) at Olivia's first blackmail attempt.
I can't wait to see what Olivia does next, and, more importantly, how Christian and Olli manage her.
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Post by psionycx on May 11, 2008 10:13:30 GMT -5
Oooooh, let's try not to use that word to describe Olivia. I am not a fan of what she did but I am even a lot less of a fan of that word to describe women, even women who do bitchy or selfish things. The only exception is Ann Coulter. She has earned being called that, otherwise I think it's a bit harsh to use that word on Olivia.  That word is like dropping a f-bomb or n-bomb, IMO.  Ann Coulter is a man. I swear to God whenever I see her on TV I scope out her throat looking for the Adam's Apple! Olivia is merely a classic soap villainess. She does underhanded things for personal benefit and doesn't feel guilty about it. I'm sure that to her warped sense of justice Christian and Olli "owe" her for keeping their secret. She is, however, a liar. For example, she doesn't tell Olli "everything" about her life. For example, she didn't admit to cheating on the Pub Quiz (that I saw in the clips anyway). I'm also pretty sure she doesn't tell him about all of her treacherous schemes either. Just the less appalling ones. Olli: "...You know how she is." Christian: "Exactly!" Christian has a rather less rose-colored view of Olivia. He didn't even want her living in the flat share. |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 11, 2008 10:44:20 GMT -5
Which word, selfish? I use the other word quite indiscriminately both on men and women when I think it fits, nothing sexist from me there, but OK, I'll try to use more salonfähig words in the future. It's a really demeaning to use to describe a woman (even though you use it indiscriminately) and incredibly offensive. Hating Olivia and calling her names isn't a problem for me but that's a really ugly word. Like I said, it's on par with the n-bomb and f-bomb. |
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Post by ivaniv on May 11, 2008 10:51:35 GMT -5
I guess I have more relaxed approach to swearing. I find there are worse things in the world than swearing...
As for Olivia, it may look entertaining on screen, but imagine having a relative who's ready to hit you where it hurts the most because there's a little profit for them in it. It's her whole attitude, she's one of those people who think that being nice to people is a waste of time especially if in being mean to them is so much more fun. I thought the family was the limit for her, clearly not.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 11, 2008 11:05:29 GMT -5
I guess I have more relaxed approach to swearing. I find there are worse things in the world than swearing... As for Olivia, it may look entertaining on screen, but imagine having a relative who's ready to hit you where it hurts the most because there's a little profit for them in it. It's her whole attitude, she's one of those people who think that being nice to people is a waste of time especially if in being mean to them is so much more fun. I thought the family was the limit for her, clearly not. It's not about swearing. My mouth can singe the hair off a dog when I drive & have to deal with shitty drivers around me. It's an incredibly offensive & demeaning term which may be less offensive to use in Germany than in the USA but calling a woman that in the USA will likely get a man castrated or worse. I wasn't being funny when I said it's as bad as those two other words. I know it seems like I am letting my inner feminist out again but it's really a very ugly term to use except when describing Ann Coulter.  I don't want to debate this more, though I will if I have to, so other not-as-ugly words to describe your dislike of Olivia pls? I guess for me with Olivia, when push comes to shove, I can see her blackmailing Olli (and Christian) for favors by letting them think she'll tell Gregor but I can't actually see her telling Gregor because she knows she would lose Olli. Despite her threats to out them, I don't think she would but she'll totally play like she will if she can get them to do things for her. So selfish? Totally, but ultimately I don't believe she would actually tell Gregor but she'll let them think she will tell him. On some level I think Olli knows Olivia wouldn't actually say anything even though Christian does think she will out them. |
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Post by GayTime on May 11, 2008 12:14:14 GMT -5
I guess I have more relaxed approach to swearing. I find there are worse things in the world than swearing... As for Olivia, it may look entertaining on screen, but imagine having a relative who's ready to hit you where it hurts the most because there's a little profit for them in it. It's her whole attitude, she's one of those people who think that being nice to people is a waste of time especially if in being mean to them is so much more fun. I thought the family was the limit for her, clearly not. It's not about swearing. My mouth can singe the hair off a dog when I drive & have to deal with shitty drivers around me. It's an incredibly offensive & demeaning term which may be less offensive to use in Germany than in the USA but calling a woman that in the USA will likely get a man castrated or worse. I wasn't being funny when I said it's as bad as those two other words. I know it seems like I am letting my inner feminist out again but it's really a very ugly term to use except when describing Ann Coulter. I don't want to debate this more, though I will if I have to, so other not-as-ugly words to describe your dislike of Olivia pls? I guess for me with Olivia, when push comes to shove, I can see her blackmailing Olli (and Christian) for favors by letting them think she'll tell Gregor but I can't actually see her telling Gregor because she knows she would lose Olli. Despite her threats to out them, I don't think she would but she'll totally play like she will if she can get them to do things for her. So selfish? Totally, but ultimately I don't believe she would actually tell Gregor but she'll let them think she will tell him. On some level I think Olli knows Olivia wouldn't actually say anything even though Christian does think she will out them. your administrator speaks: and here's the beauty of having a global community! to be honest - i saw the word and thought: 'yeah, that pretty much describes olivia and her actions.' i use the german version of it even to address my best friend when she's acted up - don't hate on me: she uses terrible terms for me, too. i think the c-bomb REALLY and DEFINITELY is the worst word you can possibly use in the united states. what i did is i added the c- bomb into the list of banned words and it will get auto replaced with 'ann coulter'. i think that's a fair & reasonable compromise! |
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Post by jsg03jd on May 11, 2008 12:37:11 GMT -5
The "Ann Coulter" solution is the perfect compromise, in my humble opinion! Thanks!
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Post by lolaruns on May 11, 2008 12:50:47 GMT -5
Bwhahahah Anne Coulter  I think Olivia has a particular world view where everybody else is a pussy other than her and everybody who doesn't go and try to grab what they want is a sucker. I also think that she has a genuine affection for Olli. she just has this thing where she just doesn't consider certain things a bad thing (for example, she felt justified in faking a pregnancy to keep Andi till the very end. After all, she loved him, she wanted him to stay, so OBVIOUSLY lying to him about having a baby was the right thing. Same for her blackmailing strangers or seducing Ansgar away from his wife, after all she needed the money and it's not she cares about them and if they fall for it its their own fault). I do think that she is blackmailing Christian and Olli only for things that aren't a big deal in her eyes (In her eyes it's, comeon, why would they deny her the boxing ring as a location and few pictures? Obviously they are silly to deny her that, so she is just helping them along). And contrary to popular belief she is not without a conscience. SPOILER FOR a non Ollian related VL Storyline: For example in an upcoming story Olivia steals money to buy jewelry for herself. Then she realizes that the money she took is actually the money that came out of the kidapping of the Lahnstein baby. She is shocked because she has figured out who the kidnhappers were and considers turning the money over to the police; so there are things that even Olivia considers bad and amoral. |
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Post by nanna on May 11, 2008 12:58:34 GMT -5
I'll never get which swear words are ok and which aren't. Ever since GayTime asked me to edit my videos for AE so that they would be SFW, I'm feeling quite bewildered.
But part of the fun of this board is not only the meeting of gay guys and straight girls but of people from all over the world and their different attitude towards a lot of things.
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Post by lolaruns on May 11, 2008 13:05:18 GMT -5
It has always amused me that the English say bitch = female dog and the Germans say Zicke = female goat ;D (though I think Zicke is more shallow and annoying and whiny rather than mean spirited; maybe closer to "twit")
I have to say I was really shocked at how freely the German soaps use things like Arschloch.
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Post by hach on May 11, 2008 13:51:02 GMT -5
I have to say I was really shocked at how freely the German soaps use things like Arschloch. Wouldn't suprise me in general, but it did when I heard it on VL that one time ("Aber ich weiß, welcher Chatname besser zu dir passen würde, Halunke: Arschloch zum Beispiel."). After all, it's broadcast on "Das Erste"... From what you're saying, I take it that wasn't just a rare exception (I don't watch VL regularly)?  |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 11, 2008 14:08:26 GMT -5
Thanks for changing it to Ann Coulter, GayTime.  I'll never get which swear words are ok and which aren't. Ever since GayTime asked me to edit my videos for AE so that they would be SFW, I'm feeling quite bewildered. But part of the fun of this board is not only the meeting of gay guys and straight girls but of people from all over the world and their different attitude towards a lot of things. I think AE wants to keep it PG rated which is why they're so skittish with a "fuck" passing on the screen even for a second. And I also think that some people in the USA who have jobs that filter internet sites people can visit while on a work computer have AE listed as a porn site.  Go figure! Most regular TV shows you will hear a "bitch" or "damn" but not too often cause then you will get groups like the AFA ( www.afa.net/issues ) or The Parents Television Council ( www.parentstv.org ) moaning & complaining and threatening boycotts (they don't just do it for ATWT. They got after a number of shows but they really like to go after Nip/Tuck, which admittedly gets away with a lot of graphic stuff for a basic cable channel show but though I didn't watch the last season, it's a fun, trashy show. ). Honestly, those folks have too much free time and a skewed view of morality but I digress. If you move to basic cable in the USA you will hear an occasional "bullshit" or "asshole" or "jackass". Anything stronger than that generally and you have to check out premium channels like Showtime or HBO (hello, The Wire and Oz!) And let's not even get into the nudity & sexual situations stuff.  |
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Post by aldebaran on May 13, 2008 8:11:33 GMT -5
Hi guys, I'm back! May I say something? I HATE cliffhangers!!! ;D My heart stood still when Chris jumped onto the ring and asked the folks to pay attention... Olivia is really bitchy, but that's just how she has to be, and lots of people like her for that reason. She's also very smart, she knows how to take advantage of different situations, and I'm sure her cousin knows how to handle with her. As for Wolle, no words to describe him...  I look forward to this evening's episode, like you all I guess! Thanks again Ivan, Nanna and Tihkon for your great job!  |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 13, 2008 8:50:28 GMT -5
Olivia is really bitchy, but that's just how she has to be, and lots of people like her for that reason. She's also very smart, she knows how to take advantage of different situations, and I'm sure her cousin knows how to handle with her. Exactly. I have no worries. Sure, she is totally opportunistic & selfish but Olli does know how to handle Olivia. Then again, I don't think she'd actually spill this secret cause she'd lose Olli, she knows that and he's too important to her. Remember his strong hope that Christian & Olivia get along because they're the two most important people to him? For all her faults - and there are many - she does mean a lot to Olli. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. |
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Post by aldebaran on May 13, 2008 9:00:17 GMT -5
Remember his strong hope that Christian & Olivia get along because they're the two most important people to him? For all her faults - and there are many - she does mean a lot to Olli. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. I'd love to see Olivia become a real friend of them as a couple like Judith is, but I guess it'll be a little more complicated... Hey roddieb, we all must be careful, not to say something wrong about YOUR Christian, or we'll get in deep trouble! ;D |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 13, 2008 11:28:44 GMT -5
Remember his strong hope that Christian & Olivia get along because they're the two most important people to him? For all her faults - and there are many - she does mean a lot to Olli. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. I'd love to see Olivia become a real friend of them as a couple like Judith is, but I guess it'll be a little more complicated... Yea, that's so not going to happen cause talk about two really different personalities... though Olivia would at least know to pick CONSTANTIN. Seriously though, I think she will be a friend to them, mostly because of Olli, but she will be the type to tease in a very dry, discomforting way. I know I am in the minority in thinking that Olivia - despite her many faults - loves Olli and wouldn't cross him on this cause she knows how important his relationship with Christian is to him. Doesn't mean she won't needle him with caustic barbs & try to get something out of it, though. Olivia is textbook "Bitch, In Praise of Difficult Women" (see: www.amazon.co.uk/Bitch-Praise-Difficult-Elizabeth-Wurtzel/dp/0704381079 ) |
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Post by aldebaran on May 13, 2008 11:40:34 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority in thinking that Olivia - despite her many faults - loves Olli and wouldn't cross him on this cause she knows how important his relationship with Christian is to him. I agree with you, Olivia does love her cousin, and even if her relations with Chris are not that good, I think she wouldn't spoil their relationship just for Olli's sake. Let's hope that at least she won't cause too much damage... |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 13, 2008 11:49:54 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority in thinking that Olivia - despite her many faults - loves Olli and wouldn't cross him on this cause she knows how important his relationship with Christian is to him. I agree with you, Olivia does love her cousin, and even if her relations with Chris are not that good, I think she wouldn't spoil their relationship just for Olli's sake. Let's hope that at least she won't cause too much damage... I just think she needs to not know how much Olli wants she and Christian to get along & how much both mean to him or she will torment him more with her comments and try even harder to finangle more things out of them. I think she will actually go after Christian harder verbally and for things she wants and because she actually cares about Olli and Christian reacts like a moth to a flame when she gets super bitchy, which I think gives her a perverse manner of enjoyment. YMMV |
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I use the other word quite indiscriminately both on men and women when I think it fits, nothing sexist from me there, but OK, I'll try to use more salonfähig words in the future. 
That word is like dropping a f-bomb or n-bomb, IMO. 
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I don't want to debate this more, though I will if I have to, so other not-as-ugly words to describe your dislike of Olivia pls?
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