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Post by overtherainbow on Nov 23, 2017 9:52:13 GMT -5
Fede just came out to his mom. This is Fede, a real cutie   Fede's coming out: |
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Post by overtherainbow on Nov 24, 2017 9:31:05 GMT -5
Fede's mom told his dad that he's gay.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 8, 2017 10:28:53 GMT -5
Gay kiss:
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Post by nlklinh on Dec 8, 2017 12:35:56 GMT -5
OMG, what happened, why did he pull out??? >_< aaaaa, that kiss is cute tho |
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Dec 8, 2017 16:48:31 GMT -5
OMG, what happened, why did he pull out??? >_< aaaaa, that kiss is cute tho The guy with curly hair said that he was sorry if he sent any mixed signals. The other guy replied that he thought there was something between them, and then this Fede guy said that they are just good friends and the other guy should not get confused. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 8, 2017 17:25:12 GMT -5
OMG, what happened, why did he pull out??? >_< aaaaa, that kiss is cute tho Fede is still confused about his sexuality. I only have a very limited knowledge of Spanish, but I think I get the gist of what's going on. A lot has happened these last few episodes. Fede found out his dad is not really his dad, he gained another family with his actual biological dad. Turns out Lola and Nico are now his siblings, in addition to Mia. They're all his half siblings. Anyway, this telenovela switches between past time and present time, which can get kinda confusing at times (it took me literally two weeks to realize this, I was so confused when Raquel, Fede's mom, kept kissing different guys lol and why her hairstyle kept changing, I feel so stupid  ). Anyways, in one of the "past time" scenes we see Lola and Fede getting closer and Fede flirting with Lola (ew.. considering she's his half sister it's kinda gross, he didn't know at the time though). Mia notice what's going on and calls him out on it. Fede is like "first you think I'm gay, then you think I'm into Lola.. so which is it? Am I gay or into Lola?" I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, that's basically what happened. Mia suggests he might be bisexual, maybe he likes both. I think it would be cool if he was btw, there's not much bi representation in latin media. Note: Fede never once said he was gay, even in his coming out scene to his mom he just said he was confused and that maybe he's gay. When he and Lola talked he said "I'm not gay" then followed up with "I don't know." Raquel (Fede's mom) told Fede's dad that Fede was confused about his sexuality, not that he was actually gay. I think Fede likes Dany (the guy who kissed him). He's just still confused and scared, which is why he backed off. He doesn't know what he is yet. |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 8, 2017 19:15:41 GMT -5
OMG, what happened, why did he pull out??? >_< aaaaa, that kiss is cute tho Fede is still confused about his sexuality. I only have a very limited knowledge of Spanish, but I think I get the gist of what's going on. A lot has happened these last few episodes. Fede found out his dad is not really his dad, he gained another family with his actual biological dad. Turns out Lola and Nico are now his siblings, in addition to Mia. They're all his half siblings. Anyway, this telenovela switches between past time and present time, which can get kinda confusing at times (it took me literally two weeks to realize this, I was so confused when Raquel, Fede's mom, kept kissing different guys lol and why her hairstyle kept changing, I feel so stupid ). Anyways, in one of the "past time" scenes we see Lola and Fede getting closer and Fede flirting with Lola (ew.. considering she's his half sister it's kinda gross, he didn't know at the time though). Mia notice what's going on and calls him out on it. Fede is like "first you think I'm gay, then you think I'm into Lola.. so which is it? Am I gay or into Lola?" I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, that's basically what happened. Mia suggests he might be bisexual, maybe he likes both. I think it would be cool if he was btw, there's not much bi representation in latin media. Note: Fede never once said he was gay, even in his coming out scene to his mom he just said he was confused and that maybe he's gay. When he and Lola talked he said "I'm not gay" then followed up with "I don't know." Raquel (Fede's mom) told Fede's dad that Fede was confused about his sexuality, not that he was actually gay. I think Fede likes Dany (the guy who kissed him). He's just still confused and scared, which is why he backed off. He doesn't know what he is yet. I decided watching this in full from the beginning because I couldn't understand what was going on from the clips I was watching on YouTube and finally got that the story was switching from past to present and back... it was indeed very confusing LOL Funny how 3 telenovelas currently on air on Televisa have gays characters. Hopefully this one goes somewhere... The kiss got me hopeful it will and that Fedde is just "confused" still. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 9, 2017 7:38:59 GMT -5
Just watched the last episode. Daniel really likes Fede aww, it makes me sad that Fede rejected him. It was sweet of Daniel to apolgize for kissing him though. The problem is that I feel like Fede has gone back into the closet. Now he's denying being into guys and pretending to be into girls, sigh. This is definitely a step backwards. Just a few weeks ago he "came out" (it wasn't really a coming out, though he did admit he was confused about his sexuality) to his mom. It makes me said to see him so scared and confused, I hate seeing him deny that part of himself and to pretend to be something he isn't. I think he just needs to admit it to himself once and for all, then come out to someone he trusts. Nico is a good guy, he would accept him, he aready suspects anyway.
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Post by nlklinh on Dec 9, 2017 7:39:32 GMT -5
Wow. Thank you guys. Sounds like a very confusing and dramatic series. At his age, i think its understandable that he doesnt know who he is and what he wants yet...Hopefully, he will in the future and when that time comes, he wont run away from it.
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 11, 2017 11:12:53 GMT -5
Preview of episodes this week: SPOILER DISCUSSION: I'm 99 % sure he's having sex with a girl. At first I thought it was a guy, because it seemed like the person had short hair, but then I noticed the earring and I was like "that explains it", lol. He is clearly uncomfortable having sex with her. It's dumb and cliché, but it is realistic. It happens to many guys before they come out, some gay men have sex with women, it's not unheard of. It's a very "done before" gay storyline, but I guess it's a first and well done for latin tv. I think this will move the story forward too. He clearly didn't enjoy it, if this will make him realize he's gay, I'm all for it. Now he just needs to come out to Nico and then apologize to Dany and then get with him  |
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Post by vesper on Dec 12, 2017 8:10:03 GMT -5
I just randonly saw the kissing video. I hope this goes somewhere. Also, is it a big deal to have a gay kiss on a telenovela? Here in Brazil I can count in one hand the number of LGBTQ+ kisses we've had on novelas.
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 12, 2017 8:20:26 GMT -5
Preview of episodes this week: SPOILER DISCUSSION: I'm 99 % sure he's having sex with a girl. At first I thought it was a guy, because it seemed like the person had short hair, but then I noticed the earring and I was like "that explains it", lol. He is clearly uncomfortable having sex with her. It's dumb and cliché, but it is realistic. It happens to many guys before they come out, some gay men have sex with women, it's not unheard of. It's a very "done before" gay storyline, but I guess it's a first and well done for latin tv. I think this will move the story forward too. He clearly didn't enjoy it, if this will make him realize he's gay, I'm all for it. Now he just needs to come out to Nico and then apologize to Dany and then get with him SPOILER DISCUSSION: Yeah... he doesn't look particularly "excited" about having sex with this girl. I guess you're probably right about where this is heading. It's definitely not a very original take in general, but it's a big step forward in terms of gay storylines in Latin America (or more specifically, Mexico). I hope there is an actual develepment to this storyline, as Latin America has a long history of teasing interesting storylines and then dropping it =( |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 12, 2017 8:24:59 GMT -5
I just randonly saw the kissing video. I hope this goes somewhere. Also, is it a big deal to have a gay kiss on a telenovela? Here in Brazil I can count in one hand the number of LGBTQ+ kisses we've had on novelas. Definitely a big deal. Mexico has had an even worse track-record than Brazil up until the last few years. Things have been improving a lot recently though, so that's good |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 12, 2017 9:49:50 GMT -5
SPOILER DISCUSSION: I'm 99 % sure he's having sex with a girl. At first I thought it was a guy, because it seemed like the person had short hair, but then I noticed the earring and I was like "that explains it", lol. He is clearly uncomfortable having sex with her. It's dumb and cliché, but it is realistic. It happens to many guys before they come out, some gay men have sex with women, it's not unheard of. It's a very "done before" gay storyline, but I guess it's a first and well done for latin tv. I think this will move the story forward too. He clearly didn't enjoy it, if this will make him realize he's gay, I'm all for it. Now he just needs to come out to Nico and then apologize to Dany and then get with him SPOILER DISCUSSION: Yeah... he doesn't look particularly "excited" about having sex with this girl. I guess you're probably right about where this is heading. It's definitely not a very original take in general, but it's a big step forward in terms of gay storylines in Latin America (or more specifically, Mexico). I hope there is an actual develepment to this storyline, as Latin America has a long history of teasing interesting storylines and then dropping it =(MORE SPOILER DISCUSSION: Sadly I think you're right. Like I said in an earlier post it seriously looks like Fede has gone back in the closet. I wouldn't necessarily say this storyline is done well, not only is it a pretty straightforward coming out storyline, it's now also retconned. Like.. why would Fede tell his dad he's confused, then hold hands with Lola? Sure, it was in the "past", but still. To me that doesn't make much sense. I realize he hasn't come out yet, don't get me wrong, and it is normal to be confused and to experiment, but if you have reached that point of "I'm probably not straight", as Fede clearly has, why then try to hook up with a girl? It's just sad to see. I wish they would move forward and let Fede be less in denial about who he is, and enough with the "I don't want to be gay so I'm gonna go have sex with a girl." He's clearly suffering from internalized homophobia. I'm 99.9 % sure now that Lola is the girl Fede has sex with in the preview for this week, yes, his half sister  , he didn't know at that time, since it's in the past, but still. I hope he used a condom or stopped before it went too far, though it certainly looks like he's in the middle of the act in the preview. One good thing about this is that Lola has to have an abortion, because she can't really have his kid, lol. My guess though is that it will be a "who is the baby daddy" storyline, with the options being Fede and the guy who Lola is with in the "now" scenes. This is the last thing I wanted to see, and I have no idea why I still watch, idk maybe because Fede is cute and I want to see him finally come out and to have a happy ending with Dany. I want them to end up together, though sadly I won't be surprised if they drop it like you said, it's typical telenovelas to tease interesting storylines then drop it. They have teased Fede coming out to his dad, his mom etc.. yet the only thing he's said is that he's "confused", and now he'll sleep with a woman (at least he looks disgusted though). We had that one gay kiss, but he rejected it. My guess (hope) is that the sex with his half sister (lol) will lead to him realize he's gay, finally admitting it to himself, then to Nico. But again, telenovelas always drag out everything, if Fede's storyline ends with no resolution, him not coming out and still being "confused" I wouldn't be surprised. I hope they prove me wrong though. For once I want to see a good gay storyline in a telenovela. They didn't drop the ball on the gay kiss, not censoring it is a huge deal, hopefully they'll follow through with the rest of the storyline too. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 12, 2017 11:15:43 GMT -5
Can someone please translate Fede's conversation with his dad at 2:11.
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 12, 2017 11:45:48 GMT -5
SPOILER DISCUSSION: Yeah... he doesn't look particularly "excited" about having sex with this girl. I guess you're probably right about where this is heading. It's definitely not a very original take in general, but it's a big step forward in terms of gay storylines in Latin America (or more specifically, Mexico). I hope there is an actual develepment to this storyline, as Latin America has a long history of teasing interesting storylines and then dropping it =(MORE SPOILER DISCUSSION: Sadly I think you're right. Like I said in an earlier post it seriously looks like Fede has gone back in the closet. I wouldn't necessarily say this storyline is done well, not only is it a pretty straightforward coming out storyline, it's now also retconned. Like.. why would Fede tell his dad he's confused, then hold hands with Lola? Sure, it was in the "past", but still. To me that doesn't make much sense. I realize he hasn't come out yet, don't get me wrong, and it is normal to be confused and to experiment, but if you have reached that point of "I'm probably not straight", as Fede clearly has, why then try to hook up with a girl? It's just sad to see. I wish they would move forward and let Fede be less in denial about who he is, and enough with the "I don't want to be gay so I'm gonna go have sex with a girl." He's clearly suffering from internalized homophobia. I'm 99.9 % sure now that Lola is the girl Fede has sex with in the preview for this week, yes, his half sister , he didn't know at that time, since it's in the past, but still. I hope he used a condom or stopped before it went too far, though it certainly looks like he's in the middle of the act in the preview. One good thing about this is that Lola has to have an abortion, because she can't really have his kid, lol. My guess though is that it will be a "who is the baby daddy" storyline, with the options being Fede and the guy who Lola is with in the "now" scenes. This is the last thing I wanted to see, and I have no idea why I still watch, idk maybe because Fede is cute and I want to see him finally come out and to have a happy ending with Dany. I want them to end up together, though sadly I won't be surprised if they drop it like you said, it's typical telenovelas to tease interesting storylines then drop it. They have teased Fede coming out to his dad, his mom etc.. yet the only thing he's said is that he's "confused", and now he'll sleep with a woman (at least he looks disgusted though). We had that one gay kiss, but he rejected it. My guess (hope) is that the sex with his half sister (lol) will lead to him realize he's gay, finally admitting it to himself, then to Nico. But again, telenovelas always drag out everything, if Fede's storyline ends with no resolution, him not coming out and still being "confused" I wouldn't be surprised. I hope they prove me wrong though. For once I want to see a good gay storyline in a telenovela. They didn't drop the ball on the gay kiss, not censoring it is a huge deal, hopefully they'll follow through with the rest of the storyline too.MORE SPOILER DISCUSSION: The kiss is what got me hopeful this storyline is going somewhere. Gay kisses on Latin American TV are still such HUGE statements that I can't believe they would air that without having plans to go on with Fede's gay storyline. Another aspect that make me hopeful even with the whole "am I?"/"am I not?" is that his parents are OK with him being gay, so if it wasn't for his own personal turmoil with it and the complications that come with it, there would be no conflict regarding him being gay and as a consequence, no storyline. Still, I'll keep my expectations low to not get disappointed |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 12, 2017 11:49:30 GMT -5
Can someone please translate Fede's conversation with his dad at 2:11. I didn't know we were back Dad: Doing your homework? Fede: yes Dad: How are you doing in school? Fede: Good, good... Dad: and with everybody else? Fede: Alright dad, if you wanna know something, why don't you ask me directly? Wanna know if I like girls or not? Dad: See, all I want you to know is that we love you with all our heart and that you'll have all the support from your mother and me Fede: ...And what if I told you that I don't like them (girls)? Dad: Sincerely, I wouldn't know what to respond to you because it has never crossed my mind. I wanted you to know that a big part of parenting is learning this, that you (children) are free... Fede: So... Dad: Whatever you decide, it's alright. The important is that you are happy, that you can find your happiness. Fede: Would it hurt you? Dad: No... if I can see you're happy, no. What's important is that you feel fulfilled, that you seek what you want to achieve in your life. I love you, Fede. I love you, son. Fede: Thanks, dad. *cries* Dad: Let's get dressed to receive our guests *Dad walks away* Fede: Dad! You know that maybe I do not define myself yet, but I will. I'm going to do it Dad: *Dad smiles* |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 12, 2017 12:03:35 GMT -5
Can someone please translate Fede's conversation with his dad at 2:11. I didn't know we were back Dad: Doing your homework? Fede: yes Dad: How are you doing in school? Fede: Good, good... Dad: and with everybody else? Fede: Alright dad, if you wanna know something, why don't you ask me directly? Wanna know if I like girls or not? Dad: See, all I want you to know is that we love you with all our heart and that you'll have all the support from your mother and me Fede: and what if I told you that I don't like them (girl)? Dad: Sincerely, I wouldn't know what to respond to you because it has never crossed my mind, but I wanted you to know that a big part of parenting is learning this... that you (children) are free... Fede: so... Dad: Whatever you decide, it's alright. The important is that you are happy, that you can find your happiness. Fede: Would it hurt you? Dad: No... if I see you're happy, no. The important is that you get fulfillment, that you seek what you want to achieve in your life. I love you, Fede. I love you, son. Fede: Thanks, dad. *cries* Dad: Let's get dressed to receive our guests *Dad walks away* Fede: Dad! You know that maybe I do not define myself yet, but I will. I'm going to do it Dad: *Dad smiles* OMG thank you so much <3 I'm glad Fede's parents are so accepting. You're right in that if not for Fede's inner turmoil there would be no storyline, though some parts of the storyline still annoys me, I just can't help it. I guess we'll see how it all turns out, I'm cautiously optimistic. Just the fact that his parents are accepting is progress imo, same with the gay kiss, even though Fede ended up rejecting him. Hopefully we'll get one more before the novela is over |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 12, 2017 12:27:33 GMT -5
Fede: I didn't know we were back Dad: Doing your homework? Fede: yes Dad: How are you doing in school? Fede: Good, good... Dad: and with everybody else? Fede: Alright dad, if you wanna know something, why don't you ask me directly? Wanna know if I like girls or not? Dad: See, all I want you to know is that we love you with all our heart and that you'll have all the support from your mother and me Fede: and what if I told you that I don't like them (girl)? Dad: Sincerely, I wouldn't know what to respond to you because it has never crossed my mind, but I wanted you to know that a big part of parenting is learning this... that you (children) are free... Fede: so... Dad: Whatever you decide, it's alright. The important is that you are happy, that you can find your happiness. Fede: Would it hurt you? Dad: No... if I see you're happy, no. The important is that you get fulfillment, that you seek what you want to achieve in your life. I love you, Fede. I love you, son. Fede: Thanks, dad. *cries* Dad: Let's get dressed to receive our guests *Dad walks away* Fede: Dad! You know that maybe I do not define myself yet, but I will. I'm going to do it Dad: *Dad smiles* OMG thank you so much <3 I'm glad Fede's parents are so accepting. You're right in that if not for Fede's inner turmoil there would be no storyline, though some parts of the storyline still annoys me, I just can't help it. I guess we'll see how it all turns out, I'm cautiously optimistic. Just the fact that his parents are accepting is progress imo, same with the gay kiss, even though Fede ended up rejecting him. Hopefully we'll get one more before the novela is over I does bother me as well, but I always have to remember myself that Latin America is still in the "baby steps" phase regarding LGBT visibility in soaps/telenovelas, so it's a process... LOL At this point having a gay storyline at all is a victory. I'll keep myself cautiously optimistic as you mentioned |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 12, 2017 14:38:20 GMT -5
OMG thank you so much <3 I'm glad Fede's parents are so accepting. You're right in that if not for Fede's inner turmoil there would be no storyline, though some parts of the storyline still annoys me, I just can't help it. I guess we'll see how it all turns out, I'm cautiously optimistic. Just the fact that his parents are accepting is progress imo, same with the gay kiss, even though Fede ended up rejecting him. Hopefully we'll get one more before the novela is over I does bother me as well, but I always have to remember myself that Latin America is still in the "baby steps" phase regarding LGBT visibility in soaps/telenovelas, so it's a process... LOL At this point having a gay storyline at all is a victory. I'll keep myself cautiously optimistic as you mentioned I agree with everything you said. Basically everything is progress and it's not that long ago that the only gay representation they had were gay stereotypes played for laughs, and they always censored gay kissing. This storyline was needed, and it was about damn time, despite falling into certain tropes. You can't really expect too much lol PS: Would it be possible for you to translate the conversation between Fede and his mom too? This clip is longer, and I know it's a lot to ask, but I'd appreciate it |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 13, 2017 0:27:19 GMT -5
I think Fede is going to turn out to be asexual. He doesn't like sex with women, it makes sense.
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 13, 2017 6:44:35 GMT -5
I think Fede is going to turn out to be asexual. He doesn't like sex with women, it makes sense. That would be a bummer , but now that you said it... it would make sense. Still, it would be such an anticlimactic conclusion  |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 13, 2017 9:39:35 GMT -5
I think Fede is going to turn out to be asexual. He doesn't like sex with women, it makes sense. That would be a bummer , but now that you said it... it would make sense. Still, it would be such an anticlimactic conclusion I'm literally so confused after Fede had sex with that girl. A lot gets lost in translation. Did he enjoy it or not? At first I thought he was trying too hard, like he had to convince himself that yes, he likes girls, and that's why he had sex. I actually thought this could be good, to progress the story, because he'd realize that he was gay after having sex with her. But he didn't? Instead he kissed her. So did he actually enjoy it? And if he did, does it mean he's straight or bisexual or what? I mean, maybe he's still in denial, but it doesn't make much sense after the talk he had with his parents. Idk.. I don't think he's gay, more like bi or ace imo, or maybe straight after all  |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Dec 13, 2017 12:02:53 GMT -5
That would be a bummer , but now that you said it... it would make sense. Still, it would be such an anticlimactic conclusion I'm literally so confused after Fede had sex with that girl. A lot gets lost in translation. Did he enjoy it or not? At first I thought he was trying too hard, like he had to convince himself that yes, he likes girls, and that's why he had sex. I actually thought this could be good, to progress the story, because he'd realize that he was gay after having sex with her. But he didn't? Instead he kissed her. So did he actually enjoy it? And if he did, does it mean he's straight or bisexual or what? I mean, maybe he's still in denial, but it doesn't make much sense after the talk he had with his parents. Idk.. I don't think he's gay, more like bi or ace imo, or maybe straight after all Yep, that was super confusing, but I feel like that was the point. The juxtaposition for Fede having sex with a girl in the past (with that look in his face that was very "obvious" he wasn't liking it) and him later (at the present) telling that other girl that he liked her (who btw was upset about him breaking Dan's heart, the guy he kissed) feels like a way they found to build a "bridge" between the two timelines, while still keep people guessing. It could mean that he got the answer to his dilemma (which feels way too "simple" in my opinion, like, so he "knows" he likes girls and now what? There's no story) OR he has been living in denial for the whole 3 years (which not only makes the storyline more complex, but also works better for the long term of the character). I don't know  |
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Post by overtherainbow on Dec 14, 2017 1:11:14 GMT -5
I'm done with this storyline, now Fede claims that he's not gay. Ok then.
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). Anyways, in one of the "past time" scenes we see Lola and Fede getting closer and Fede flirting with Lola (ew.. considering she's his half sister it's kinda gross, he didn't know at the time though). Mia notice what's going on and calls him out on it. Fede is like "first you think I'm gay, then you think I'm into Lola.. so which is it? Am I gay or into Lola?" I'm paraphrasing, but yeah, that's basically what happened. Mia suggests he might be bisexual, maybe he likes both. I think it would be cool if he was btw, there's not much bi representation in latin media. 
, he didn't know at that time, since it's in the past, but still. I hope he used a condom or stopped before it went too far, though it certainly looks like he's in the middle of the act in the preview. One good thing about this is that Lola has to have an abortion, because she can't really have his kid, lol. My guess though is that it will be a "who is the baby daddy" storyline, with the options being Fede and the guy who Lola is with in the "now" scenes. This is the last thing I wanted to see, and I have no idea why I still watch, idk maybe because Fede is cute and I want to see him finally come out and to have a happy ending with Dany. I want them to end up together, though sadly I won't be surprised if they drop it like you said, it's typical telenovelas to tease interesting storylines then drop it. They have teased Fede coming out to his dad, his mom etc.. yet the only thing he's said is that he's "confused", and now he'll sleep with a woman (at least he looks disgusted though). We had that one gay kiss, but he rejected it. My guess (hope) is that the sex with his half sister (lol) will lead to him realize he's gay, finally admitting it to himself, then to Nico. But again, telenovelas always drag out everything, if Fede's storyline ends with no resolution, him not coming out and still being "confused" I wouldn't be surprised. I hope they prove me wrong though. For once I want to see a good gay storyline in a telenovela. They didn't drop the ball on the gay kiss, not censoring it is a huge deal, hopefully they'll follow through with the rest of the storyline too.
