Skam

[overtherainbow]

Isak did not want to go to that party, but as soon as Even asked he was like "YES!" lmao too cute. He is so obvious with his feelings. I just hope he doesn't get hurt.

The people in the comments are pointing out that there's a lot of possible foreshadowing going on.. Isak talking about his friend finally getting laid (what if he gets laid instead?) and then there's Even smashing open his locker and maybe closet door? One can only hope!

Not to be a debbie downer here, but I think maybe Even takes his gf to the party, so I'm not sure if he will hook up with Isak tbh.

[vesper]

Isak is so getting his heart broken, I can feel it. this storyline has me shook.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 24, 2016 11:25:55 GMT -5 vesper said:

Isak is so getting his heart broken, I can feel it. this storyline has me shook.

I agree. I think Even is playing him and it won't end well. Him smashing open his locker didn't help matters either (aka he will smah open his closet door aka out him?)

[Hawthorne]

Why so much pessimism? Even popping open Isak's locker was funny. I took it to mean Even has the missing element that Isak lacks. He literally has the magic touch. And he invited Isak to drink with him before the party. Maybe they won't even make it to the party if something happens between them. Of course, Even's girlfriend remains an obstacle, but Isak also has something he needs to give up if he wants to be with Even - his clingy friends. They don't give him much space. I don't see how Isak is going to become the person he wants to be if he doesn't start standing apart from those boys. It's hard to explore your gay identity when you're embedded in a tightly wound clique of straight guys.

[Zathras]

Yeah, it was a nice little moment. Isak definitely wasn't going to go to the party until Even asked him. And Even definitely had the magic touch to open Isak's locker like that. Personally, I don't think Even is playing him. He was about to kiss Isak last week. I guess we'll see if it goes anywhere, but for now I'm just going to watch and enjoy.

[Hawthorne]

A nice fan vid:

[mizuryuu]

Oct 24, 2016 13:08:25 GMT -5 Hawthorne said:

Why so much pessimism? Even popping open Isak's locker was funny. I took it to mean Even has the missing element that Isak lacks. He literally has the magic touch. And he invited Isak to drink with him before the party. Maybe they won't even make it to the party if something happens between them. Of course, Even's girlfriend remains an obstacle, but Isak also has something he needs to give up if he wants to be with Even - his clingy friends. They don't give him much space. I don't see how Isak is going to become the person he wants to be if he doesn't start standing apart from those boys. It's hard to explore your gay identity when you're embedded in a tightly wound clique of straight guys.

I agree Isak's friends are obstacles, but that seems more a problem caused by Isak. He constantly get caught in these lies, I'm surprised his friends aren't more suspicious of him. They let the hoodie thing go, they let the canceled party thing go, they let his hiding of his house party go. Worst is there are no reason he had to lie for most of these things too.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 26, 2016 1:35:25 GMT -5 mizuryuu said:

Oct 24, 2016 13:08:25 GMT -5 Hawthorne said:

Why so much pessimism? Even popping open Isak's locker was funny. I took it to mean Even has the missing element that Isak lacks. He literally has the magic touch. And he invited Isak to drink with him before the party. Maybe they won't even make it to the party if something happens between them. Of course, Even's girlfriend remains an obstacle, but Isak also has something he needs to give up if he wants to be with Even - his clingy friends. They don't give him much space. I don't see how Isak is going to become the person he wants to be if he doesn't start standing apart from those boys. It's hard to explore your gay identity when you're embedded in a tightly wound clique of straight guys.

I agree Isak's friends are obstacles, but that seems more a problem caused by Isak. He constantly get caught in these lies, I'm surprised his friends aren't more suspicious of him. They let the hoodie thing go, they let the canceled party thing go, they let his hiding of his house party go. Worst is there are no reason he had to lie for most of these things too.

Exactly. Even is manipulating him and causing him to lie and fall out with his friends.

[kevvoi]

Next part courtesy of Isak&Even Skam:

[Hawthorne]

Poor Isak! Every time he think he's going to get somewhere with Even the reality of Sonja crashes his party. I guess Even didn't say the pre-party drinking would just be him and Isak, but does he really think Isak would enjoy hanging out with him and his girlfriend? Things look set to be a big disappointment for Isak, but I have a feeling something significant is going to happen between him and Even at the party.

I am starting to worry more, though, about whether Even has good intentions towards Isak. I personally wouldn't call him manipulative just yet. That depends on how he behaves after something happens with Isak (which I think is inevitable). However, even if things don't work out with Even, his role in Isak's life could - on balance - be a positive one if he pushes Isak along towards accepting who he is.

I like Sana, but she's a little defensive. I guess you have to be these days if you are a Muslim in a Christian country. She seems to be warming up towards Isak, though. I think she could potentially play a helpful role in Isak's struggle.

[overtherainbow]

The new clip was awful. Even decided to invite his gf along for the party despite giving Isak false hope that something might happen between them (Even and Isak). I swear he's such an asshsole. He is clearly leading him on. He will never leave his gf.

And then there is Sana's disgustingly homophobic comment saying "being gay is a mental illness". I know people say she was speaking from a "neutral point of view" but I don't buy that at all. She said being gay is bad, because that's what she thinks. Being neutral means discussing BOTH sides of an issue, like "some experts think this but others think this". Not once did she get across the OTHER opposing view, that homosexuality excists in the animal kingdom etc, that not ALL see it as a mental illness, that homosexuality has always excisted etc.

So.. is this where we are now? Isak being miserable and alone? His friends and his mom being homophobic? Even leading him on? What a wonderful, upbeat positive gay storyline this is turning out to be! Seriously.. why must all gay storylines have the gay characters being miserable? Why not FOR ONCE show that gay people can be happy and have loving, fulfilling relationships too? I hate this show now. It's so bad. Now its basically saying all gay guys are doomed to be miserable because being gay is bad. OK THEN.

[Hawthorne]

I don't think we have enough information yet to condemn Even. I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. For all we know, Even did intend to spend time alone with Isak, but it was Emma who decided it would be all four of them when she heard about it from Sonja. It wouldn't be the first time she's muscled in on Isak and Even's alone time. Let's see if Even makes it up to Isak somehow.

Despite what Sana said, I have a feeling she's going to prove to be one of the more supportive of Isak's friends.

[Zathras]

I can't tell who exactly invited the girlfriends to go drinking before the party. I can't blame Even just yet. It could be Sonja or Emma who assumed they were invited. Emma clearly didn't take the hint from Isak's reaction.

I think Sana was understandably defensive. Isak did a terrible job of asking why she believed what she believed. There are good ways to start a conversation about belief systems, but he didn't use one of them. That said, I certainly didn't like the position she took about homosexuality. I don't know who is calling her "neutral" since she clearly isn't (especially in the context of the scene).

It did seem like Sana was amused by Isak's reaction to Emma. Based on the question Isak asked (about homosexuality in particular) I wonder if she was starting to wonder about him. That could make things interesting.

Oct 26, 2016 12:34:27 GMT -5 Hawthorne said:

I have a feeling something significant is going to happen between him and Even at the party.

I'm not so sure about that.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 26, 2016 16:24:55 GMT -5 Hawthorne said:

I don't think we have enough information yet to condemn Even. I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. For all we know, Even did intend to spend time alone with Isak, but it was Emma who decided it would be all four of them when she heard about it from Sonja. It wouldn't be the first time she's muscled in on Isak and Even's alone time. Let's see if Even makes it up to Isak somehow.

Despite what Sana said, I have a feeling she's going to prove to be one of the more supportive of Isak's friends.

Sorry but I disagree with you. I think Isak will have a rude awakening when he finally comes out and she will comdemn homosexuality just as she did when he asked her. She LITERALLY said being gay was either a mental illness OR a choice. It's very clear what she thinks about being gay.

[Hawthorne]

Sana didn't actually say that's what she thinks about homosexuality. She was suggesting that it must be what Isak thinks about homosexuality since he believes in evolution. Sana was basically turning the tables on him. Isak began the conversation by implying that Sana, since she's religious, must think homosexuality is wrong. But Sana showed him that his own belief in "natural science" could just as easily lead to a negative view of homosexuality. In a sly way she was saying that someone's religion doesn't necessary dictate what they think about everything. She didn't state her personal feelings about homosexuality, but she did open the door to the possibility that they could be different than what her religion suggests. She's a very clever girl.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 27, 2016 0:52:13 GMT -5 Hawthorne said:

Sana didn't actually say that's what she thinks about homosexuality. She was suggesting that it must be what Isak thinks about homosexuality since he believes in evolution. Sana was basically turning the tables on him. Isak began the conversation by implying that Sana, since she's religious, must think homosexuality is wrong. But Sana showed him that his own belief in "natural science" could just as easily lead to a negative view of homosexuality. In a sly way she was saying that someone's religion doesn't necessary dictate what they think about everything. She didn't state her personal feelings about homosexuality, but she did open the door to the possibility that they could be different than what her religion suggests. She's a very clever girl.

That's EXACTLY what she said. She said that because gay people don't produce offspring and gay people have NOT died out and they still exist today, that must mean being gay is EITHER a mental illness OR a choice.

Oh and btw I watched the clip several times last night just to be sure I got what she said. Please remember that A LOT can be lost in translation. I know damn well what she said and what she meant because I am Norwegian. There is literally no room for intepretation because she was VERY clear about her stance and that being gay exist today not because it's natural but because gay people are either mentally ill or it's a choice.

[lovethetree]

Oct 27, 2016 3:16:34 GMT -5 overtherainbow said:

Oct 27, 2016 0:52:13 GMT -5 Hawthorne said:

Sana didn't actually say that's what she thinks about homosexuality. She was suggesting that it must be what Isak thinks about homosexuality since he believes in evolution. Sana was basically turning the tables on him. Isak began the conversation by implying that Sana, since she's religious, must think homosexuality is wrong. But Sana showed him that his own belief in "natural science" could just as easily lead to a negative view of homosexuality. In a sly way she was saying that someone's religion doesn't necessary dictate what they think about everything. She didn't state her personal feelings about homosexuality, but she did open the door to the possibility that they could be different than what her religion suggests. She's a very clever girl.

That's EXACTLY what she said. She said that because gay people don't produce offspring and gay people have NOT died out and they still exist today, that must mean being gay is EITHER a mental illness OR a choice.

Oh and btw I watched the clip several times last night just to be sure I got what she said. Please remember that A LOT can be lost in translation. I know damn well what she said and what she meant because I am Norwegian. There is literally no room for intepretation because she was VERY clear about her stance and that being gay exist today not because it's natural but because gay people are either mentally ill or it's a choice.

Well im norwegian too and i agree with hawthorne. She just explained that religion and science have a lot in common.

[Zathras]

Well I'm not Norwegian so I have to rely on the translations and other cues in the scene. My interpretation is that it's too soon to say exactly what Sana believes (unless it's been dealt with elsewhere on the show that I haven't seen). It's possible she feels that way, but it seemed to me that she was playing "Devil's advocate". Isak opened the conversation by basically attacking religious people - like Sana, presumably. Sana became understandably irked. Isak used the example of homosexuality and how he thinks all religious people think it's wrong but non-religious people don't. I think Sana was just defensive and annoyed by Isak, so she tried to point out a possible argument that a non-religious person might use to argue against homosexuality.

Just my thoughts.

[ferdavid]

They finally kissed *-*..yippiee

[overtherainbow]

It's official: I'm deceased.

[ferdavid]

Whs? What do you mean by deceased, because of what?

[lexmoon]

[ferdavid]

What a pitty..it doesn't work in my country :/

[lovethetree]

Oct 28, 2016 16:17:28 GMT -5 ferdavid said:

What a pitty..it doesn't work in my country :/

you can add hola to chrome, it will get you through the geoblock. the USA one works:-)

[Hawthorne]

The translated video has been removed. On Twitter, ISAK&EVEN SKAM says, "Please have some patience. I'm trying to re-upload the video. It got blocked in 200+ countries because of a song used in the video."