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Merlí
Nov 16, 2016 19:49:08 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 16, 2016 19:49:08 GMT -5
Being preconceived as a three season show doesn't guarantee Bruno will stick around if David Solans has asked to be let out. I'd be less nervous if Bruno's role hadn't already been made so minimal. There have been quite a few episodes this season where we get only a fleeting glimpse of Bruno. It's obvious that Solans hasn't been on set that much during filming. And Bruno's second sexual encounter with Pol is feeling more and more like closure for that story line. In the recent episode, Bruno talks about how much he misses Nicola. How does that get resolved unless either Bruno goes to Rome or Nicola comes to Catalonia? Of course, it could be that Nicola does come to Catalonia (or they break up) and Bruno's role expands again next season, but I think there are real reasons to be nervous about Bruno being written out of the show.
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Merlí
Nov 17, 2016 10:26:11 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Nov 17, 2016 10:26:11 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvioius why his role is smaller this season, because it's pretty clear they wanted to focus in the secondary characters of the first season. In fact he is not the only one who is working in other shows, the actors who play Oliver and Pol are starring in other shows right now too
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Merlí
Nov 18, 2016 0:37:52 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 18, 2016 0:37:52 GMT -5
The actors for Pol and Oliver have had brief guest roles in other shows. David Solans (Bruno) has had one of the major roles on another show this year. Also, Pol's role hasn't shrunk even though he also was a major focus in season one. I'm not saying it's likely Bruno will be leaving, just that there are genuine reasons to have it as a concern.
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Merlí
Nov 18, 2016 16:23:47 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Nov 18, 2016 16:23:47 GMT -5
The actor who plays Oliver is a regular in a show on tve and it's a dayly show
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Merlí
Nov 20, 2016 19:51:06 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 20, 2016 19:51:06 GMT -5
Regardless of which actor is doing what outside of Merli, David Solans' character is the one that has been made minimal on screen. I don't think it's 100% clear why that is. If Solans does want to leave, things are certainly set up within the show to make that easy to happen.
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Merlí
Nov 21, 2016 15:38:24 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Nov 21, 2016 15:38:24 GMT -5
I still think you are stressed about nothing. The presentation of the show was pretty clear that they'll be developing the other characters this season. First season was heavily centered on Bruno, his storyline came to a conclusion and now they are focusing on the other characters. It's not like he dissapeared from the show. If the actor has other jobs maybe they just adjusted to that, but i doubt there's any intention to get rid of the actor and the character
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dmagiclight
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Merlí
Nov 21, 2016 16:34:33 GMT -5
Post by dmagiclight on Nov 21, 2016 16:34:33 GMT -5
In the US on Soaps there are actors that go for weeks with out being on screen or with out story lines
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Merlí
Nov 21, 2016 22:53:05 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 21, 2016 22:53:05 GMT -5
I still think you are stressed about nothing. Well, I sure hope you are right. So far, after today's episode, Bruno is determined to leave, but... If he stays, it looks like it could be because of Pol. Pol tries to seduce Bruno in the recent episode, but Bruno pulls away, confused about everything. Pol says he is not in love with Bruno, but the previews for next week hint at some emotional scenes between them. It would be lovely if Pol ends up begging Bruno not to go. But it's also possible that these are the requisite scenes to tie up the Bruno-Pol part of the show. If Bruno does stay, the good news is that Pol's attempted seduction clears the way to much more sex between them. Please stay, Bruno!
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Merlí
Nov 22, 2016 6:23:41 GMT -5
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Merlí
Nov 22, 2016 17:40:53 GMT -5
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Merlí
Nov 22, 2016 18:50:13 GMT -5
Post by HQ75 on Nov 22, 2016 18:50:13 GMT -5
It's hard to tell what is happening without knowing exactly what is being said. Also maybe we should have a Spoilers section for videos like this?
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Merlí
Nov 22, 2016 20:22:17 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Nov 22, 2016 20:22:17 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of RKFanvidder:
And a spoiler clip for the next episode, courtesy of Gay Storylines:
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Merlí
Nov 22, 2016 22:30:18 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Nov 22, 2016 22:30:18 GMT -5
Huh. So 2 seconds after saying that he played with Bruno’s feelings, he came on to Bruno? Why did he come on to Bruno, anyway? Was he feeling shitty about the thing with Miriam blowing up in his face? Or was he just horny?
Anyway, it was a very interesting conversation. I guess I'd like to think that Pol does feel a closer connection to Bruno than he realizes (or admits). He says he's never been in love, and I'm inclined to believe him. Bruno posed the question of leaving as a hypothetical; I wonder if his reaction will be stronger when he realizes Bruno is serious about going to Rome. I dunno; I'd still be okay if they're just friends. I'm glad Pol admitted that he would miss Bruno if he left.
And from Bruno ... seems like the only thing that could keep him from leaving is Pol. It kind of felt to me like Bruno really did want Pol to admit to deeper feelings. I know Bruno says he's not in love with Pol, and he did turn down Pol's advances, but to me it seemed he would like more. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
I also found it interesting that Pol doesn't like being labeled. It really doesn't bother him that he slept with a guy.
So... why did Coralina really try to convince Bruno to go to Rome? That felt kind of odd. I didn't remember them being all that close.
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Post by mizuryuu on Nov 23, 2016 4:09:26 GMT -5
He likes sex. Since he is no longer getting it from Ivan's mother, he doesn't mind messing around with Bruno. He thought that He and Bruno has an understanding that they will be friends with benefits. I find it interesting that Bruno didn't confide in Pol that he is leaving. He even actively try to hide the fact when his grandmother almost spill the beans.
Interesting that Netflix is acquiring the show. Wonder if that mean they will provide subtitle for other regions or if it is region-specific.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 23, 2016 6:18:37 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Pol talks about messing everything up, about his crazy sex thing with Ivan's mom, about him playing around with people's feelings. And then he immediately turns to his best friend where there has been complicated romantic feelings between them and starts messing around with Bruno's head and feelings. Pol is so many complex things and so simple at the same time.
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Merlí
Nov 23, 2016 12:19:52 GMT -5
Post by luckycharm on Nov 23, 2016 12:19:52 GMT -5
Pol is so many complex things and so simple at the same time. He's a philosopher at heart and a hedonist in action. Like Merli, he pursues his own pleasure, often to run away from facing his own pain....and then, like a philosopher, justifies the action as perfectly rational. No big deal, dude. Bad vibes!Bruno, having had years of experience dealing with such a personality, in his own father, knows how to call Pol out on it. Into facing his emotional vulnerability. Pol is still resisting. *** Loved: - Pol initiated, and was actually offended at being turned down. - Bruno....all throughout the episode. He was dropping truth bombs throughout. To Merli, to Pol. Interesting that he is keeping Pol in the dark about how far he has thought about Italy, but only talking about it in the theoretical. I truly believe that this was Bruno taking one last chance to lay the cards on the table, and for Pol to accept or not. It was probably the tipping scale for Bruno in deciding on Italy - given the sequence of scenes in the episode. - The Calduch! She has such lines, "Oh hush, I have fucked more than you!", "good final scene!" (No wonder Bruno thinks he lives in a madhouse - he does!) Ivan seems petulant and kind of crazy. Coralina finally feeling a smudge of guilt over what she did to Merli, using Bruno as a pawn. Bruno needs to stop trying to convince himself, and anyone who will listen, that he loves Nicola. No one is buying it. Pol - Glad his home life is improving. It will help put Pol in a more positive mental space as well - and maybe calm the chaos inside him. Miriam asked Pol what he wanted from them, and he said, "exactly this", i.e., nothing more. Then, it blows up in Pol's face, and he goes to hide and wallow in the losing of the sexual outlet of Miriam - once again, in Bruno's bedroom. Thank goodness Bruno stood his ground, although you could tell it was hard for his to say, 'no'. Interesting coincidence, that Bruno is wearing the exact same outfit that he was wearing when Pol was speaking to Berta in Episode 4 and Bruno walked by, while Pol stared after him (outside the school). If Pol had not turned back, and with his impish grin, shyly acknowledge, 'duh, stupid, of course I would miss you a lot if you left', I would have lost all hope in him. But, at least he did. Baby first step! He still has a while to go to acknowledge what he really wants. As does....Merli. Bruno's lack of screentime this season, seems also a commentary of his storyline. Feeling invisible to Merli, while his father plays a hero to everyone as he forgets to be a father to his own son. As Bruno once said to Merli, "If we are going to play the going-down-memory-lane game, it will be a short one!" Merli has been an absent father, and when he finally physically had his son around, he took those moments for granted, and focused on his own ego (to get accolades from students as the most groundbreaking teacher ever!). I'm sure Bruno has thought often that him physically being in Spain versus Italy wouldn't change Merli's interactions with him, so why not go to Italy and be with his mother? He just wants Merli's time, for them to do something amazing, and memorable, as father and son. I hope Merli also realizes and steps up soon. Maybe the Calduch will push him? *** Next episode, Zizek. Mr. Anti-Establishment himself. This whole season has been about Pol's evolution. He hinted at it, in this episode, and he was telling the truth. His not liking labels, and his curiosity for Bruno being an unique thing, not for guys in general. And, I think, Bruno knows he's telling the truth about that aspect. I liked the glimpse into Pol's insecurity, and needing to find out if Bruno has been with any other guys (he was jealous!). What Pol is lying about is why his curiosity is a repeating thing with Bruno. That perhaps it's not just about sex. For the first time in Pol's life - it might be about more than just sex. Pol is becoming. He isn't just one thing. He's evolving, a dynamic process, and with that, the need for a static label becomes moot. The greatest fear Pol has is the fearing of losing. People he loves going away. His mother. His grandmother. Let's see how Bruno's going away triggers that fear, and whether he acknowledges that the fear is not just fear, but fear of losing someone you love. Can't wait for next week!
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Merlí
Nov 23, 2016 14:32:11 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 23, 2016 14:32:11 GMT -5
Pol is so many complex things and so simple at the same time. He's a philosopher at heart and a hedonist in action. Like Merli, he pursues his own pleasure, often to run away from facing his own pain....and then, like a philosopher, justifies the action as perfectly rational. No big deal, dude. Bad vibes!Bruno, having had years of experience dealing with such a personality, in his own father, knows how to call Pol out on it. Into facing his emotional vulnerability. Pol is still resisting. *** Loved: - Pol initiated, and was actually offended at being turned down. - Bruno....all throughout the episode. He was dropping truth bombs throughout. To Merli, to Pol. Interesting that he is keeping Pol in the dark about how far he has thought about Italy, but only talking about it in the theoretical. I truly believe that this was Bruno taking one last chance to lay the cards on the table, and for Pol to accept or not. It was probably the tipping scale for Bruno in deciding on Italy - given the sequence of scenes in the episode. - The Calduch! She has such lines, "Oh hush, I have fucked more than you!", "good final scene!" (No wonder Bruno thinks he lives in a madhouse - he does!) Ivan seems petulant and kind of crazy. Coralina finally feeling a smudge of guilt over what she did to Merli, using Bruno as a pawn. Bruno needs to stop trying to convince himself, and anyone who will listen, that he loves Nicola. No one is buying it. Pol - Glad his home life is improving. It will help put Pol in a more positive mental space as well - and maybe calm the chaos inside him. Miriam asked Pol what he wanted from them, and he said, "exactly this", i.e., nothing more. Then, it blows up in Pol's face, and he goes to hide and wallow in the losing of the sexual outlet of Miriam - once again, in Bruno's bedroom. Thank goodness Bruno stood his ground, although you could tell it was hard for his to say, 'no'. Interesting coincidence, that Bruno is wearing the exact same outfit that he was wearing when Pol was speaking to Berta in Episode 4 and Bruno walked by, while Pol stared after him (outside the school). If Pol had not turned back, and with his impish grin, shyly acknowledge, 'duh, stupid, of course I would miss you a lot if you left', I would have lost all hope in him. But, at least he did. Baby first step! He still has a while to go to acknowledge what he really wants. As does....Merli. Bruno's lack of screentime this season, seems also a commentary of his storyline. Feeling invisible to Merli, while his father plays a hero to everyone as he forgets to be a father to his own son. As Bruno once said to Merli, "If we are going to play the going-down-memory-lane game, it will be a short one!" Merli has been an absent father, and when he finally physically had his son around, he took those moments for granted, and focused on his own ego (to get accolades from students as the most groundbreaking teacher ever!). I'm sure Bruno has thought often that him physically being in Spain versus Italy wouldn't change Merli's interactions with him, so why not go to Italy and be with his mother? He just wants Merli's time, for them to do something amazing, and memorable, as father and son. I hope Merli also realizes and steps up soon. Maybe the Calduch will push him? *** Next episode, Zizek. Mr. Anti-Establishment himself. This whole season has been about Pol's evolution. He hinted at it, in this episode, and he was telling the truth. His not liking labels, and his curiosity for Bruno being an unique thing, not for guys in general. And, I think, Bruno knows he's telling the truth about that aspect. I liked the glimpse into Pol's insecurity, and needing to find out if Bruno has been with any other guys (he was jealous!). What Pol is lying about is why his curiosity is a repeating thing with Bruno. That perhaps it's not just about sex. For the first time in Pol's life - it might be about more than just sex. Pol is becoming. He isn't just one thing. He's evolving, a dynamic process, and with that, the need for a static label becomes moot. The greatest fear Pol has is the fearing of losing. People he loves going away. His mother. His grandmother. Let's see how Bruno's going away triggers that fear, and whether he acknowledges that the fear is not just fear, but fear of losing someone you love. Can't wait for next week! I'm definitely now leaning more towards the view that Bruno is on Pol's mind more than he'd ever admit. But I think he takes Bruno for granted. He expects Bruno to be there as his emotional backstop and sexual outlet of last resort. Yet he has obvious jealousy of Bruno with other men. Sexually, he prefers women, no doubt, but emotionally... for whatever reason, his heart has been captured by Bruno. Admitting this seems a long way off since he doesn't even admit that he has a need or capacity for love. But of course he does, so it's just a matter of time before this truth hits him in the face. I think Pol making another move on Bruno is the tipping point in their relationship because it does reveal that his sexual interest in Bruno is more than just the curiosity he's been claiming. Through baby steps, Pol has entered into a homosexual romance that he doesn't yet realize he's in. Bruno leaving will force everything to the surface, I imagine. In the preview for next week there's a scene where Oliver tells Ivan he's terrified of what Ivan is going to do to Pol. This could potentially be what keeps Bruno around because if Pol gets injured, Bruno won't leave. Or perhaps Bruno tries to protect Pol from Ivan's attack and gets injured himself. That would probably get a big confession of love from Pol, especially if Bruno's life is in danger. And then next season they try a proper relationship together. Almost losing Bruno could also cause Merli to realize how foolish he's been to devote so much time to his students at Bruno's expense. All that time he spent focused on Ivan only to have Ivan almost take his son. Ironical. It seems like an appropriate ending to Merli's arc this season, if it happens.
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Merlí
Nov 24, 2016 10:34:14 GMT -5
Post by justinate on Nov 24, 2016 10:34:14 GMT -5
I do wonder if Bruno and Pol are endgame. Honestly? I don't mind if they're not. I don't mind if Pol is just a guy who likes sex and doesn't care where he gets it from. But I do want Bruno to be happy. If he is to be shuffled off the show, can they at least give him an onscreen romance first?
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Merlí
Nov 26, 2016 19:25:43 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 26, 2016 19:25:43 GMT -5
I would also be OK with them not being end game as long as they first explored their connection more. I think Pol is a good vehicle for exploring the very nature of sexuality and the Pol-Bruno relationship is a good vehicle for exploring the nature of love and its connection with sexuality - perfect for a show so interested in philosophy. There's a lot of interesting areas the show could go to with them and I really hope they do it. In the end, though, I expect Pol and Bruno attempting to be a couple would fail. Pol is too turned on by women and fidelity to Bruno would be a trap for him. He would cheat on Bruno while at the same time not being able to deal with Bruno having flings with other men. So probably they would fall back to being close friends who maybe sometimes sleep together and that would be OK.
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Merlí
Nov 29, 2016 18:15:32 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 29, 2016 18:15:32 GMT -5
I'm not happy that the show is doing such a convincing job of winding down Bruno's role. The scenes between Bruno and Merli in the most recent episode seem full of closure. And suddenly they are setting Pol and Tania up as close confidants the way Bruno and Tania are/were. It's like Pol will be Tania's replacement confidant. That's a bad sign, IMO. And someone on YT said there are reports in Spain that David Solans has asked to be let out of the show. Could be just a rumor, of course.
The only thing that could stop Bruno from leaving now is Pol and there are some signs that he could offer up a confession of love when he finally learns Bruno is really leaving. They showed Pol being confronted by and struggling with his inability/refusal to love others. Losing Bruno may not be something he can take. Or the two of them could just have an emotional farewell scene.
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Merlí
Nov 29, 2016 18:51:18 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Nov 29, 2016 18:51:18 GMT -5
I usually wait for RKFanvidder's clips, but here is Gay Storylines's most recent clip from Merli:
and a promo for the next episode:
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 29, 2016 20:39:22 GMT -5
Here is RKFanvidder's version of the last episode:
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Merlí
Nov 30, 2016 0:03:55 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Nov 30, 2016 0:03:55 GMT -5
I dunno, for some reason I'm not concerned about Bruno leaving. Not sure why. I keep getting vibes from these clips that Bruno still cares for Pol. I keep thinking that Bruno wants Pol to ask him to stay. Yet he still hasn't told Pol that he is planning to move permanently - Pol still thinks he's coming back. And he doesn't really want to say goodbye. I also find it interesting that a few of the philosophy lessons over the last few weeks seem to be trying to teach Pol lessons about himself. I'm not convinced he's really taking them to heart, though there have been a couple of dents. This week he's trying to convince himself that he doesn't fall in love, that he can control how he feels. I don't personally think you can do that consciously. And his other lesson about learning how to see how his actions affect others around him. I was almost surprised he went to see Ivan - somewhat contrite. For whatever reason he puts up barriers around himself; I wonder just how much those barriers are falling away, though I'm not counting on him changing his outlook all that much. I guess we'll see what happens, one way or the other.
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Merlí
Dec 2, 2016 11:57:06 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Dec 2, 2016 11:57:06 GMT -5
I also find it interesting that a few of the philosophy lessons over the last few weeks seem to be trying to teach Pol lessons about himself. I'm not convinced he's really taking them to heart, though there have been a couple of dents. This week he's trying to convince himself that he doesn't fall in love, that he can control how he feels. I don't personally think you can do that consciously. This is what gives me hope Bruno will stay. They do seem to have been setting Pol up for an admission of love. I find Ivan's extreme reaction to Pol having sex with his mother kind of creepy, sexist and over the top. I can understand being upset and uncomfortable, but Ivan acts like his mother is his property and he personally has been gravely violated. I mean, it's true Pol used to make fun of him in class, but they've long since put that behind them. The show acts like his reaction is normal, which I think reveals how ingrained machismo sexist views are in Latin cultures.
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Merlí
Dec 2, 2016 16:20:56 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Dec 2, 2016 16:20:56 GMT -5
I also find it interesting that a few of the philosophy lessons over the last few weeks seem to be trying to teach Pol lessons about himself. I'm not convinced he's really taking them to heart, though there have been a couple of dents. This week he's trying to convince himself that he doesn't fall in love, that he can control how he feels. I don't personally think you can do that consciously. This is what gives me hope Bruno will stay. They do seem to have been setting Pol up for an admission of love. I find Ivan's extreme reaction to Pol having sex with his mother kind of creepy, sexist and over the top. I can understand being upset and uncomfortable, but Ivan acts like his mother is his property and he personally has been gravely violated. I mean, it's true Pol used to make fun of him in class, but they've long since put that behind them. The show acts like his reaction is normal, which I think reveals how ingrained machismo sexist views are in Latin cultures. But that's nothing new. Ivan was exactly the same during the same season. It's true that he is a different guy now that he overcame his agoraphobia but his reaction when he thought his mother had a boyfriend were a bit over the top back then too. Of course that's quite realistic, some teenagers have that kind of possesive behaviour towards their parent's lives, and given Ivan doesn't know anything about his father is quite understable that his feelings towards his mother are strong, and he can feel Pol and his mother relationship as a double betrayal
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