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Merlí
Nov 1, 2016 12:01:32 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 1, 2016 12:01:32 GMT -5
Episode 7 was bad news for Bruno-Pol shippers. In a scene with Tania, Bruno finally tells her that he and Pol had sex again. Tania thinks this must mean Pol is gay, but Bruno insists otherwise. He calls Pol, "heteroflexible." He then tells her that the experience was good for him because it proved to him that he is no longer in love with Pol. Instead, he is in love with Nicola. So the show seems to be putting the whole Bruno-Pol romance thing to bed. Carlos's comments about how he thought Pol and Bruno were comfortable in their friendship and nothing romantic needed to happen is starting to make more sense the further we get from their last sexual encounter.
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Haru
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Merlí
Nov 1, 2016 12:50:15 GMT -5
Post by Haru on Nov 1, 2016 12:50:15 GMT -5
Episode 7 was bad news for Bruno-Pol shippers. In a scene with Tania, Bruno finally tells her that he and Pol had sex again. Tania thinks this must mean Pol is gay, but Bruno insists otherwise. He calls Pol, "heteroflexible." He then tells her that the experience was good for him because it proved to him that he is no longer in love with Pol. Instead, he is in love with Nicola. So the show seems to be putting the whole Bruno-Pol romance thing to bed. Carlos's comments about how he thought Pol and Bruno were comfortable in their friendship and nothing romantic needed to happen is starting to make more sense the further we get from their last sexual encounter. I hate when writers doing this.... I'm starting to lose interest eh generally the show is so good but Bruno story so far this season is meh and now Bruno-Pol
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Merlí
Nov 1, 2016 19:26:59 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Nov 1, 2016 19:26:59 GMT -5
Rats
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Merlí
Nov 2, 2016 9:07:14 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Nov 2, 2016 9:07:14 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of RKFanvidder:
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Merlí
Nov 3, 2016 22:51:12 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 3, 2016 22:51:12 GMT -5
It's too bad RKFanvidder didn't include the scene where Gerard and Marc - both dressed in drag - tell they love each other. That was one of the highlights of the episode. I really liked Quima in this episode and hope she sticks around. She's certainly more interesting than the teacher she's substituting for. It's possible all is not lost with Pol-Bruno. I mean, we already knew that a traditional romance was unlikely, right? The friends with benefits scenario is actually a good outcome, IMO. Had they not had that second roll in the sack, there would have been a barrier between Pol and Bruno about sex, but now that it happened and both are so comfortable with it, sex between them will always be a possibility going forward. So it's not like we're left with nothing. And there's always the possibility they will rekindle romance between Pol and Bruno. I have a feeling Nicola is going to turn out to be not so great and Pol never falls in love with the women he has sex with. Over the long term, it could still be that they never find anyone they feel deeper for than each other. That scene where Pol seduces Berta when she's dressed like a man was interesting. The show was winking at us by making parallels to the first Bruno-Pol sex scene. I thought it was funny when Berta was playfully describing imaginary gay sex acts they could do, not knowing that Pol actually has experience with the acts she was describing.
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Post by luckycharm on Nov 4, 2016 12:57:27 GMT -5
I really loved the Judith Butler episode. This show is a little gem! I hope Quima is here to stay; so dignified and fierce, she is: I deserve to be happy with who I am.I hope she sticks around, she will teach the kids a lot. Perhaps someone like Bruno and Pol? Oliver made a very astute point to Bruno, who in his adolescent selfish fishbowl of a reality, is not aware enough to acknowledge his own privilege to be gay the way he is. He has a bit of internalized homophobia about linking sexuality and masculinity. And failing to acknowledge that the flamboyant gays of society, who couldn't and didn't want to hide who they were, paved the way for civil rights for that community. But, he's an angsty teen, who is choosing to be selfish to be happy (taking Coralina's advice). And I'm glad Oliver is there to give him an alternate view of his own sexual identity. Pol has the same thing, but in a very different, more....fluid....way. He is very aware of his alpha 'macho' ways, and has the emotional vulnerability of a goldfish, but, he cares very fiercely. His mother. His grandmother. Bruno. Pol's contemplation in the basketball yard about his forbidden secrets, and bursting to be told...I'm sure it was about more than Miriam, the 40 years old MILF, on his mind. The other forbidden: his hookup with Bruno. The show is doing a great job presenting the irony of it: Pol's two secrets, one that he is hooking up with a dude who also happens to be one of his male best friends, and the other, he is hooking up with a 40 years old woman who also happens to be his friend's mother. And, the latter is less 'forbidden'. How crazy is that for a justification? He tells Joan about the 40years old hookup. Not about hooking up with a guy. Pol still has a long way to go before acknowledging the reality of he and Bruno. Much less how he feels about him. Maybe Nicola will be the catalyst he needs to acknowledge? We'll see.... But you can tell that Bruno is on his mind. Little glimpses with other characters, and parallels to Pol's situation with Bruno. Like Miriam, the forbidden lover. "Armand", the male lover. That scene was hilarious. Pol is great at exposition of his sex scenes. In S1Ep9, their infamous scene, he basically laid out to Bruno, scene by scene, what will happen sexually. Ending with, "You kiss 'her' long and hard, grab her ass, and then she grabs your cock, and gives you a blowjob." Which exactly ended up happening that night. And, this round with 'Armand', you see Pol saying, "mutual blowjobs." MUTUAL?! Hey! I consider that progress - evolution of Pol's sexual journey, broadening the experience, so to speak. I'd say it's a peek into what happened in the most recent hookup with Bruno. Pol's other issue, his projections....not just the macho image, but the deeper ones too, like needing nurturning and security at home, the loss of his mother's love. Next episode is Freud, I believe? Odeipus Complex, and a continuation of the Miriam story arch, I presume? And, finally, Oliver coming on to, and trying to undress, Bruno. Bruno is so beautiful that it is no surprise that even in the ugliest dress of the bunch, he looked so pretty as a 'girl'. I'm sure Oliver couldn't help it, and has likely been thinking that it wouldn't be a bad thing if he and Bruno hooked up. But, he is definitely not Bruno's type. And, I think, Oliver knows that. He makes sly comments, poking fun at it, like right before the football match with the top vs bottom comment. The cutaway from that scene was of Pol opening a door and going, 'What the fuck?'. Which, at first view, I thought Pol had walked in on Oliver and Bruno. But it was the cutaway of the changing room scene, which led to Armand/Pol happening. Telling sequence of shots. Overall, unlike others, I actually like the slow-paced and subtle storytelling of Merli. I don't mind that we don't get direct Bruno/Pol interactions, or storyline intersections. Each characaters growth, together and SEPARATE, makes the storytelling that much more richer. Their storyline is like sitting with a good heavy book, and a cup of coffee. It deserves the time to unfold. I'm not giving up hope on their storyline yet. Especially after this episode. It deserves an award of how it presented the theme of 'masculinity' and gender roles. And certain individual characters' own journey with that identity formation. Wonderfully told. Only criticism with the latest episode: The conversation between Miriam and Merli felt hollow and artificial. I cannot see a 40-something years old woman, and her friends-with-benefits, 50-something years old male friend, talking about her "crush" on an 18 years old boy. And, talking about 'love' in that context. Seems trite, and silly, and not something that rings true.
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Merlí
Nov 5, 2016 10:31:27 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Nov 5, 2016 10:31:27 GMT -5
Hmm. So, does Bruno even have a storyline right now? They have Pol with Miriam, but Bruno doesn't seem to be doing anything right now. Especially if he and Pol aren't going anywhere (romantically, that is). Bruno supposedly having a long-distance boyfriend is too limiting. Of course, the last time I thought nothing was going to happen Bruno seduced Pol, so what do I know.
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Merlí
Nov 5, 2016 18:49:12 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Nov 5, 2016 18:49:12 GMT -5
I think it was stated they wanted to focus on the secondary characters more early this season. Hopefully, they will introduce Nicola soon to kick start Bruno's story
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Merlí
Nov 8, 2016 14:47:18 GMT -5
Post by lexmoon on Nov 8, 2016 14:47:18 GMT -5
Bruno & Pol 2x08
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Merlí
Nov 8, 2016 20:49:22 GMT -5
Post by Zathras on Nov 8, 2016 20:49:22 GMT -5
Bruno certainly looked at Pol when the class was talking about the Oedipus complex. I agree with Merli: Pol really should look deeply at why he's messing around with Miriam.
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Merlí
Nov 9, 2016 2:19:18 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 9, 2016 2:19:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure I see that. I don't think Bruno inhabits Pol's thoughts the way the various women he's interested in do. If there was a rift between them, then he would probably think about Bruno a lot. He wants Bruno close. But since they are currently super close, I think he spends all his time thinking about where and when he can get more sex from a woman. He allowed the second encounter to happen, but going forward I don't think it will work if Bruno is repeatedly trying to seduce him. Their next sexual encounter, if there is one, will have to be initiated by Pol. I can't see him doing that unless there some special circumstances - like something terrible happens to Pol and Bruno is there to comfort and support him. I could see Pol grabbing Bruno and kissing him in that situation. Or if something bad happened to Bruno, Pol might be moved to become intimate with him. Good call. It looks like Pol has realized how unhealthy his trysts with Miriam are. He actually looked kind of angry about it near the end of the episode. I guess it's a safe bet that Ivan is going to find out what's going on. What show can resist that drama? Maybe that will be the experience that causes Pol to climb back into Bruno's bed.
I don't know if we're ever going to meet Bruno's Italian boyfriend, Nicola. He might just be a device to sideline Bruno's love life so the show can focus on the other characters. Ultimately, though, they have to give Bruno a love interest that's on the screen, don't they? If that's not going to be Pol, then they'll have to bring in a new character. Maybe Nicola will come to town and become that new character. I think they'd be smart to push Pol and Bruno together again, though, simply because it's interesting and exploring the philosophy of love fits well in the show.
Merli is still a really great show this season, but I think it has fallen off a bit from its first season. It is less focused. There's not the strong overarching stories and themes that there was last season where Merli was trying to establish himself at the school and Bruno was coming to terms with being gay. And the writing is becoming a little formulaic in places - like Oliver's issue being resolved so neatly by Merli getting him to finally cry about his brother.
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Merlí
Nov 9, 2016 3:17:14 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Nov 9, 2016 3:17:14 GMT -5
Can you expand a bit more about Oliver's storyline? The clips only show that he is sleeping in class. Obviously, he is having trouble outside of class, probably related to his family.
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cheerios
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If we could decide who we loved, it would be much simpler, but less magical.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:58:11 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Nov 9, 2016 15:58:11 GMT -5
Perhaps when Ivan finds out about Pol and his mother he will turn on Pol. That a lot of people will turn against Pol for his actions. And his friendship with Bruno will be there to help him, to see how dangerous and unhealthy his actions are being.
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Merlí
Nov 9, 2016 16:27:11 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 9, 2016 16:27:11 GMT -5
Can you expand a bit more about Oliver's storyline? The clips only show that he is sleeping in class. Obviously, he is having trouble outside of class, probably related to his family. Oliver kept sleeping in class because he couldn't sleep at night. This was caused by the fact that he hadn't been able to grieve for his brother because he felt guilty. He and his brother had argued just before his death and they'd said some hurtful things to each other. Within less than a minute of talking to him, Merli got Oliver to admit this as his problem and finally shed tears about his brother. I found it too pat and like painting by numbers.
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Merlí
Nov 9, 2016 17:28:01 GMT -5
Post by vesper on Nov 9, 2016 17:28:01 GMT -5
Bruno has been given nothing to do this season. This show was so promising, and yet...
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cheerios
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Nov 14, 2016 3:17:56 GMT -5
Post by cheerios on Nov 14, 2016 3:17:56 GMT -5
Bruno has been given nothing to do this season. This show was so promising, and yet... They should bring in his boyfriend to give him something more than just being there.
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Merlí
Nov 14, 2016 12:13:40 GMT -5
Post by luckycharm on Nov 14, 2016 12:13:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure I see that. I don't think Bruno inhabits Pol's thoughts the way the various women he's interested in do. Not in the conscious sense. But in the subconscious sense - the unknown (in the clip above see, 7:35, Merli's speech). The whole episode was about Freud's psychoanalysis. If we do a character study on Pol, not as if we're looking from his perspective, but from a third-person perspective on the whole situation. The screenshot of the situation, and Pol/his mental state in the middle, was actually very poignantly captured, I thought. The brief sequence from 7:56 onwards. It shows the two big secrets in Pol's life, both pointing to projections of his hidden, deepest desire. One he projects consciously, the other is still very much so, subconscious (for him, Pol, not the viewers as much). The conscious vs subconscious is pointed out in who Pol acknowledges - even though both the secrets are there....they are reality. They BOTH happened. However, Pol only acknowledges, turns to, Ivan. The OTHER secret, though, has acknowledged Pol (Bruno turning to look at Pol). It's there. Now, ignoring it, burying it in one's subconscious as Pol is doing is going to have consequences. It already is having consequences.... Miriam serves as a parallel for Pol and Bruno's development. Miriam, I think, is likely the first instance Pol is emotionally investing in someone he is screwing around with. Because of his hidden, deepest desire. And I think that is scaring Pol and making him uncomfortable, but he wants it. That emotional connection... What is his deepest desire? I don't think Pol knows yet, himself. He's emotionally constipated. I think someone mentioned earlier that Pol really needs to ask himself what he really wants. I don't think he ever introspects like that. Does he long for a mother's love? Is that healthy? Is that sustainable as a reality? To not be able to let go of death? Or, is it something deeper? That he just longs for love. And just because it doesn't come in the shape he recognizes, it might be taking him a little bit longer, to acknowledge. Still swimming in his subconscious but mirrored in subtle ways in other conscious actions Pol does in his life. Like Armand/Pol (desire for male/male sex). Miriam/Pol (forbidden relationships). But, I do agree with the masses, because I'm selfishly glutton for Bruno/Pol interactions. Not enough screentime!! We'll see what tonight's episode brings (or not brings). I know you're not hopeful, but I do hope Nicola turns out to be real and arrives soon. I miss seeing Bruno more fleshed out (another legitimate criticism by the masses). I would like it to be a local though. Someone they meet, at a gay club maybe? I feel like as teenagers, he, Tania, Oliver might want to get fake IDs and try to check out a gay club, for the experience. And maybe meet someone there? Alternatively, I've looked at Nicola as all things, Italy. For Bruno. That, maybe, ultimately, it will be the climax of that SL - maybe S3? Bruno choosing maybe University of Rome to study History, and choosing his mother/Nicola, over Merli and Pol. I think Bruno threatens Merli quite frequently with his mother and Italy. So maybe "Nicola" is someone who will appear at the very end of S2, to be carried into S3? Who knows. That's a far stretch. Fair criticism. And, I agree with the Oliver SL re: his brother's death. Too tidy and quick, and wrapped up with a ribbon at the end. Less about Oliver and more about, Merli, the hero and his spotlight. There are moments like this. Where it seems trite. Like my previous comment re: Merli and Miriam's convo about Pol and discussing love and crushes. 40-50 years old adults.
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Haru
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Merlí
Nov 14, 2016 16:46:06 GMT -5
Post by Haru on Nov 14, 2016 16:46:06 GMT -5
spoiler
s02e10 Engels - Bruno want to study in Rome.
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Merlí
Nov 15, 2016 2:10:04 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Nov 15, 2016 2:10:04 GMT -5
Not the best news. There is two outcome, either he goes and leaves the show or he stays and probably cause drama along the way.
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Merlí
Nov 15, 2016 13:42:02 GMT -5
Post by kevvoi on Nov 15, 2016 13:42:02 GMT -5
[Spoilers] Gay Storyline posted a translated promo, for what I believe is next week's episode:
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Merlí
Nov 15, 2016 14:10:09 GMT -5
Post by Hawthorne on Nov 15, 2016 14:10:09 GMT -5
Hopefully this is just a way of sparking a major conflict between Merli and Carolina. There was always going to be a major showdown between those two, I think. Merli tends to prevail in these conflicts since he's the star of the show and Carolina is a very unlikable character, so there's hope. It's worrying, though, because of how they've been downplaying Bruno all season. Perhaps they are winding down his involvement and getting viewers more invested in the other characters? David Solans, the actor who plays Bruno, seems to have an established career outside of Merli and has actually been working in another series, Lo que escondían sus ojos. His work on that show might be why he's been given so little to do in Merli this season. Does David want to move on? It's possible. My gut tells me he's really leaving.
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Merlí
Nov 15, 2016 14:32:49 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Nov 15, 2016 14:32:49 GMT -5
I doubt Bruno will leave the show. Merli is a three seasons show and i doubt they get rid of any major character before the end
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Merlí
Nov 16, 2016 3:53:16 GMT -5
Post by mizuryuu on Nov 16, 2016 3:53:16 GMT -5
Was it announced somewhere that the third season is happening?
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Merlí
Nov 16, 2016 15:43:54 GMT -5
Post by lexmoon on Nov 16, 2016 15:43:54 GMT -5
Bruno & Pol 2x09
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Merlí
Nov 16, 2016 16:04:31 GMT -5
Post by jjose712 on Nov 16, 2016 16:04:31 GMT -5
Was it announced somewhere that the third season is happening? The show was thought as a three season show from the beginning. Given it's a big hit on ratings there's no reason to think there'll not be a third season
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