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Post by nlklinh on Jan 29, 2017 8:55:12 GMT -5
I think the first ep was fine, actually, was much more better than I had expected. After all, it's CW we're talking about, i hope they will not turn Kevin character into a typical gay friend on screen.
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Post by mizuryuu on Jan 31, 2017 2:17:26 GMT -5
Watched the first episode, not entirely happy with the storyline with the music teacher. The show could have easily done without it cause now it just make the show weird when you think about the age of the characters (16, I believe).
Kevin had more screen time than I expected, so hopefully that will bode well for the rest of the season. Especially since Moose, Dilton and Reggie barely appeared at all. I admit that his character is a fairly big departure from the rest of the cast though, so that is a bit worrying.
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 1, 2017 0:16:42 GMT -5
Yeah, the teacher story line is creepy. Archie is a 16-year old sophomore.
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Post by surrenderdotty on Feb 1, 2017 5:13:38 GMT -5
I thought it was interesting that Kevin was pretty much set up as a version of the Sassy Gay Friend in the first episode, and then was on the receiving end of the wisecrack "Is being the gay best friend still a thing?" from Cheryl. Hopefully that means that they plan to play around with the trope a bit and make it less cliched. At least it's a snarky way to acknowledge it I guess. According to Bleeding Cool Kevin was originally written as very sexually aggressive, referencing casual hook ups through Grindr and staying home to watch gay porn. Given the ages of the characters this version of Kevin is probably a little bit more palatable to the audience, at least for the first episode! I enjoyed the episode though and I thought Casey Cott did a good job. He was very likeable on screen.
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 1, 2017 20:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 3, 2017 0:11:22 GMT -5
I thought the second episode was stronger. The wheels of the story are starting to turn and we're learning more about the characters. One thing we learned is that Kevin's dad is Riverdale's sheriff and doesn't know Kevin is gay. Apparently he has zero powers of observation. So there's a coming out story waiting to happen there, I suppose. Likewise with Moose, whom I think is in love with Kevin. Looks like it might be a long and difficult road out of the closet for him.
The ratings for the first episode were much lower than people expected. Riverdale's creators may have miscalculated by having Archie's romance story be a creepy affair with a teacher. Also, I'm not sure KJ Apa's Archie is a compelling enough character and his bromance with Jughead seems to me, so far, to lack enough spark to draw people to the show. Think about Teen Wolf and how the relationship between Scott and Stiles formed a potent core that drew fans towards the show. I'm not sure Riverdale has anything like that. But it's early and sometimes shows don't find their stride until a few episodes in.
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 10, 2017 19:05:23 GMT -5
Nobody here seems interested in discussing this show. Maybe that's because gay representation is minimal. Kevin only had a few lines in the third episode. He is definitely mostly there for coloring. However, I think he has a make-out session with Moose in the next episode. The people who like this show seem to like it a lot. There just aren't a lot of them. Ratings for the second episode dropped dramatically from their already disappointing level. The biggest problem with the show is it is unfocused. It doesn't know who the primary focus is - Archie or Betty & Veronica. They should all be interacting together and this should be the show's focus - the love triangle of Archie, Betty & Veronica. But in Riverdale, Archie largely has his own separate thing going with creepy Miss Grundy and his music while Betty and Veronica seem to have developed their own little world. Jughead is also off on his own tangent being detached and remote. Too many inexplicable things happen, too. Like Betty is suddenly running the school newspaper because it helps the plot. Here are the changes I think need to happen for Riverdale to become a success: - Get rid of Miss Grundy. Archie's creepy romance with her is disgusting and is turning viewers off. Archie needs to be torn between Betty and Veronica. That's the tried and tested formula of the Archie comics.
- Amp up the rivalry between Betty and Veronica. Their friendship in Riverdale is nice, but it short-circuits all kinds of possibilities for drama. As with the Archie comics, it would be more interesting and entertaining if their relationship was always on thin ice due to their mutual attraction to Archie. Maybe that will come in future episodes.
- Amp up the bromance between Archie and Jughead. These two should not have so few scenes together. They should be inseparable best buddies who have a major love thing going on between them. And it definitely wouldn't hurt the show if there were homo-erotic undertones to their bromance. That's all the rage these days.
- Give Jughead a personality. At present he's a very dry and flat character who is always serious and remote. How about a sense of humor and at least an occasional interest in fun? Also, why is Jughead on screen so little? He's potentially the most entertaining character and is played by the only actor who has a following with the kind of young people the show is trying to reach. Why bury him in the mix? I don't get it.
- Much less screen time for Cheryl. She's just not that interesting or likable.
- Have Kevin hang out with Archie sometimes. It's a cliche that the gay guy is "one of the girls." Yeah, it does happen a lot, but these days gay teens are accepted in straight guy friend circles as well. Let's see that.
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Post by hfolk on Feb 10, 2017 19:22:48 GMT -5
nothing has really happened between Kevin & Moose
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Post by davidw on Feb 11, 2017 1:12:52 GMT -5
I enjoyed Kevin's role in the first episode. He was Betty's friend, actually had a sexuality, and I thought there was potential drama in the Moose relationship. (And he had lots of lines and screen time.)
In the second episode the scene between Kevin and Moose sounded to me like the writers ending that potential story.
The third episode Kevin was reduced to "one of the girls" and the stereotypical sassy gay friend. (And to a minimum of lines and screen time.)
I thought Kevin's trajectory over the first three episodes was headed down to irrelevant.
I'm glad to hear that the Moose mess isn't quite over. Maybe there's hope for an interesting B-story for Kevin yet...
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Post by artique69 on Feb 11, 2017 10:15:07 GMT -5
I agree with Hawthorne, I didn't like the first 2 episodes, but I liked the 3rd. I have a problem with Jughead, the actor. Also the show needs to bring Archie more into the story, he is the lead but looks like he has his own parallel storyline. Hope it gets better As for Kevin, well, I never expected a fully complex gay character
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Post by nlklinh on Feb 12, 2017 5:01:18 GMT -5
Well, i totally agree with Hawthrone on focusing more on Archie, he's the main character after all but seems like so far, his storyline is somewhere else outside. But i think we'll have more of that on next week's ep. And Kevin, I want to see more him and his storyline with Moose, very potential to me, his screentime in ep3 just so....>_< I cant stand Archie and miss Grundy either, and next week is about Grundy's secrets, OMG
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Post by justinate on Feb 12, 2017 10:40:43 GMT -5
I had low expectations of how the show would portray Kevin and so far they haven't proven me wrong. The CW really sucks on gay male representation. Apparently Kevin appears in every episode this season but they couldn't be bothered to make him a regular - why? It feels like the showrunners are trying to work around the strictures placed on them by the network.
The CW is presumably also responsible for ageing the characters down to sophomores so they can wring out another two seasons of them in high school (they've never really succeeded with the transition to college/adulthood in any of their other series). Maybe 15yo Kevin shouldn't be on Grindr or watching gay porn (those were in the original version of the pilot) but somehow it's okay for 15yo Archie to be repeatedly sexed up by an authority figure more than twice his age. Hmm.
I want to like this show, if only for KJ Apa's sake - loved him since he was on Shortland St - but this show is barely giving me anything to work with. KJ has really caught the short end of the stick, IMO. People are saying he was hired for his looks, but I can't imagine that's the case. It's not like the US is short of fit young actors and they wouldn't need to disguise their accent or bleach and dye their hair repeatedly.
If they make it to a second season, I hope they will promote Kevin to a regular and give him his own story instead of one minute of a mostly-offscreen romance every other episode. As it stands, I can't even begin to understand how the other castmembers would say Kevin would be their favourite character to play; would they honestly like to be only trotted out to make sassy gay quips and prop other characters?
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Post by mizuryuu on Feb 13, 2017 16:49:13 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with everything you said. If they really did rework the pilot to de-age the gang, they should have removed the whole Grundy thing and save that for a future season when the characters are older and it wouldn't be quite as creepy
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 14, 2017 13:41:45 GMT -5
I want to like this show, if only for KJ Apa's sake - loved him since he was on Shortland St - but this show is barely giving me anything to work with. KJ has really caught the short end of the stick, IMO. People are saying he was hired for his looks, but I can't imagine that's the case. It's not like the US is short of fit young actors and they wouldn't need to disguise their accent or bleach and dye their hair repeatedly. I think the reason KJ Apa was hired over so many others will become apparent when Archie gets his band going. As the video below shows, in addition to his looks and acting ability he's a world class guitarist. I think he can sing as well. There might be an attempt to turn him into a pop star, which I guess could help the show's ratings.
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 17, 2017 17:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by hfolk on Feb 17, 2017 18:03:24 GMT -5
so no Kevin & Moose?
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 17, 2017 18:08:55 GMT -5
Someone has already made a fan vid for Kevin & Joaquin.
I thought the make-out session would be with Moose, but that was just my assumption. I think Moose will come back into the picture eventually, though, since I think he is Kevin's true love (and Kevin Moose's). Also, I could have sworn Kevin said in episode 2 that his dad didn't know he was gay, but I guess I heard wrong. Anyway, it does look like Kevin is going to have a story. He's a very likable character who gets so many great lines. I wouldn't be surprised if his role becomes more important on the show over time.
I'm glad Miss Grundy has been written out. That was turning a lot of people off. We might not have seen the last of her, though, if she had a role in Jason's death.
I think I see the show starting to find its stride. I'm encouraged.
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Post by hfolk on Feb 17, 2017 18:22:27 GMT -5
Someone has already made a fan vid for Kevin & Joaquin. I thought the make-out session would be with Moose, but that was just my assumption. I think Moose will come back into the picture eventually, though, since I think he is Kevin's true love (and Kevin Moose's). Also, I could have sworn Kevin said in episode 2 that his dad didn't know he was gay, but I guess I heard wrong. Anyway, it does look like Kevin is going to have a story. He's a very likable character who gets so many great lines. I wouldn't be surprised if his role becomes more important on the show over time. I'm glad Miss Grundy has been written out. That was turning a lot of people off. We might not have seen the last of her, though, if she had a role in Jason's death. I think I see the show starting to find its stride. I'm encouraged. Kevin did say that, but really parents know. He's probably known Kevin's gay for a long time
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 18, 2017 11:47:57 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 18, 2017 11:51:15 GMT -5
Rob Raco Talks His Debut as ‘Riverdale’s JoaquinValentine’s Day might be over, but love is still in the air on Riverdale. The fourth episode of The CW’s hit teen drama series introduced a love interest for sheriff’s son Kevin Keller (Casey Cott) in the form of Joaquin (Rob Raco), a Southside Serpent from the wrong side of the tracks. What originally began as a hot and heavy make out session at the drive-in ended in Kevin giving Joaquin his number – a promise that there is more to come in this forbidden romance.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 18, 2017 14:58:59 GMT -5
I suppose the guy in the car making out is his ex. The truth is this show looks better than i expected
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Post by nlklinh on Feb 19, 2017 9:11:50 GMT -5
Honestly, this show has been better ep by ep. And I really like Kevin, and i hope they will give him a true storyline. Thank God and bye bye Miss Grundy....for now. I want to see more Moose, i expect they will have a triangle love. I enjoy this show so far.
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 24, 2017 22:31:33 GMT -5
I suppose the guy in the car making out is his ex. The truth is this show looks better than i expected Yeah, I think that guy making out in the car was Moose.
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Post by Hawthorne on Feb 24, 2017 23:15:54 GMT -5
Not much Kevin in the fifth episode, but I still enjoyed it. They certainly made Cheryl a lot more sympathetic with this episode. But the show still seems unfocused to me. Most of the characters are dealing with heavy issues like murder, grief, and family dysfunction while Archie is off in a separate teen angst part of the show trying to juggle his music and football. I suspect that Archie is eventually going to end up at the very center of the Jason Blossom murder mystery, though. Not that he was involved in Jason's death, but I read some speculation elsewhere that I think is onto something. Namely, it's not a random coincidence that the show gave Jason red hair just like Archie's. In this episode we saw Jason's grieving mother lapse into a brief moment of imagining Archie was Jason. And that's a clue. The person who shot Jason - the theory goes - thought they were shooting Archie. So figuring out who the murderer is involves figuring out who would want Archie dead rather than who would want Jason dead.
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Post by mizuryuu on Mar 5, 2017 3:56:18 GMT -5
That is a great way to bring Archies into the murder mystery. Cause I agree with you that Archie (and a few others like Reggie and the Pussy Cats) have no connection to the main plotline of the show. It feels like two shows that shares the same universe.
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