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Post by kevvoi on Jun 22, 2013 7:20:49 GMT -5
Good day everyone. I thought it would be better to have a separate thread for discussion of Joscha's storyline with embedded videos instead of continuing the discussion in the Spoiler discussion thread. Thanks to the Lovely Mimi1985d, we have clips with English subtitles from her channel: vimeo.com/mimi1985dHere are the first two clips:
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 22, 2013 7:21:22 GMT -5
And the next two clips courtesy of Mimi!
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Post by jos87 on Jun 22, 2013 13:23:39 GMT -5
Thank you for the videos. I must see the last one yet (if I am not wrong the first one with Deniz) but I have to say that I missed this show. Good to see again Marian,Ben and Katia (and it's sad that they are not together anymore), Deniz. Sad to not see Anette anymore. My first impression about Joscha are good. What I like a lot is that they don't follow stereotypes; infact Joscha is a football player and is gay while his brother is a dancer but is straight.
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 22, 2013 23:41:58 GMT -5
As a reminder, Mimi will be putting a password on the videos starting next week: here is the password:
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 22, 2013 23:43:23 GMT -5
And here is the next part courtesy of Mimi!
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Post by Pedris2 on Jun 23, 2013 6:37:26 GMT -5
Thanks!!!!
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Post by jos87 on Jun 23, 2013 9:37:31 GMT -5
Thank you kevvoi and mimi. It's funny that Can continues to talk with Joscha about girls when we know that he is not interested in them I'm already enjoying this storyline
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Post by trini on Jun 23, 2013 10:42:24 GMT -5
Although, I a bit weary of 'coming out' stories I like this so far,not only are they dealing with the homophobic world of foot-ball, the back story with his friend/ex committing suicide is a nice touch.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 23, 2013 12:19:10 GMT -5
Although, I a bit weary of 'coming out' stories I like this so far,not only are they dealing with the homophobic world of foot-ball, the back story with his friend/ex committing suicide is a nice touch. In this case the coming out story will be different than the ones we are used in soap. Cause like you said Joscha is a football player and football world is homophobic. So it will be interesting to see how the writers will use that. This storyline has much potential also for other reason I can't say here cause it would be spoiler. Hope they will not disappoint us
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jun 23, 2013 17:14:25 GMT -5
Although, I a bit weary of 'coming out' stories I like this so far,not only are they dealing with the homophobic world of foot-ball, the back story with his friend/ex committing suicide is a nice touch. In this case the coming out story will be different than the ones we are used in soap. Cause like you said Joscha is a football player and football world is homophobic. So it will be interesting to see how the writers will use that. This storyline has much potential also for other reason I can't say here cause it would be spoiler. Hope they will not disappoint us It will be interesting to see where the writers will be going with this storyline. Although, I think that it's not a totally new storyline in a soap. 'VL' did it with Christian and how he handled coming out and being a pro boxer. 'Botineras' did it with Lalo and Flaco, being gay and playing pro football. And the latest have been Lari in 'Secret Lives', who wanted to be a pro hockeyplayer. Though, with these other storylines in mind, it'll be interesting to see if the writers will let Joscha be out and a pro footballplayer at the same time. In 'VL', Christian got a heart condition so he couldn't be a boxer anymore and in 'SL', Lari hurt his leg so he couldn't play hockey anymore. I hope nothing will happen to Joscha.
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Post by jos87 on Jun 23, 2013 18:48:43 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see where the writers will be going with this storyline. Although, I think that it's not a totally new storyline in a soap. 'VL' did it with Christian and how he handled coming out and being a pro boxer. 'Botineras' did it with Lalo and Flaco, being gay and playing pro football. And the latest have been Lari in 'Secret Lives', who wanted to be a pro hockeyplayer. Though, with these other storylines in mind, it'll be interesting to see if the writers will let Joscha be out and a pro footballplayer at the same time. In 'VL', Christian got a heart condition so he couldn't be a boxer anymore and in 'SL', Lari hurt his leg so he couldn't play hockey anymore. I hope nothing will happen to Joscha. Shame on me. I am a chrolli's fan but I have not thought about the boxer storyline. Maybe it is the chrolli's abscence to make me forget part of their wonderful story. You are right. But i am exited about this one cause its connected with football,which is,especially in Europe (and in South America too, i suppose) one of the most followed sports. I saw Botineras but i didn't like so much ;maybe its' due to the fact that i don't like telenovelas and all the drama in them (which is worse than in soap opera) and for this reason i haven't enjoyed their story.So i hope that AWZ's writer will do much better than the botinera's ones did. Today the topic "Gay and football" is strong;here in Italy the topic is often discussed. And homophobia in football too. And about Germany i read that some time ago the German supportes of St.Pauli created a choreography in their Stadium against homophobia. For this reason i have good feeling about this storyline.....always if the authors will not put an end to this football story soon making happen something to Joscha as in VL happened to Christian with boxer. If this is what will happen i will be a little disappointed but if the romantic part of the story will be well done i will forget that for sure infact,especially after the last set of spoilers (don't worry i will not write anything about that here), i am interested a lot in Joscha's love life Maybe,to be honest,now i am much more interested in that
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jun 24, 2013 4:39:15 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see where the writers will be going with this storyline. Although, I think that it's not a totally new storyline in a soap. 'VL' did it with Christian and how he handled coming out and being a pro boxer. 'Botineras' did it with Lalo and Flaco, being gay and playing pro football. And the latest have been Lari in 'Secret Lives', who wanted to be a pro hockeyplayer. Though, with these other storylines in mind, it'll be interesting to see if the writers will let Joscha be out and a pro footballplayer at the same time. In 'VL', Christian got a heart condition so he couldn't be a boxer anymore and in 'SL', Lari hurt his leg so he couldn't play hockey anymore. I hope nothing will happen to Joscha. Shame on me. I am a chrolli's fan but I have not thought about the boxer storyline. Maybe it is the chrolli's abscence to make me forget part of their wonderful story. You are right. But i am exited about this one cause its connected with football,which is,especially in Europe (and in South America too, i suppose) one of the most followed sports. I saw Botineras but i didn't like so much ;maybe its' due to the fact that i don't like telenovelas and all the drama in them (which is worse than in soap opera) and for this reason i haven't enjoyed their story.So i hope that AWZ's writer will do much better than the botinera's ones did. Today the topic "Gay and football" is strong;here in Italy the topic is often discussed. And homophobia in football too. And about Germany i read that some time ago the German supportes of St.Pauli created a choreography in their Stadium against homophobia. For this reason i have good feeling about this storyline.....always if the authors will not put an end to this football story soon making happen something to Joscha as in VL happened to Christian with boxer. If this is what will happen i will be a little disappointed but if the romantic part of the story will be well done i will forget that for sure infact,especially after the last set of spoilers (don't worry i will not write anything about that here), i am interested a lot in Joscha's love life Maybe,to be honest,now i am much more interested in that I only remembered the storyline from 'VL' because I came across some of the first videos on Youtube the other day. But I think you're right. It's a big and relevant topic, being gay and playing a "macho" sport. Also recently in USA a pro football player came out (Robbie Rogers), which does makes this storyline much more current. Like you said, we can only hope for a good storyline and if the football part of the storyline turns out bad, we can only hope it gets better in the love department.
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 25, 2013 16:16:58 GMT -5
Two new clips courtesy of Mimi:
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Post by sonnenstern on Jun 25, 2013 17:59:18 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 26, 2013 12:46:23 GMT -5
Next part courtesy of Mimi!
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Post by chase33 on Jun 26, 2013 18:57:26 GMT -5
So glad to see this show is back. I really have missed it alot. Since I haven't kept up, will anyone please give me a quick run-down on where are the "old" characters and who are the "new" characters? I know that Deniz has a son and that Anette died (don;t know how) but thats about all I do know.
Thanks to Mimi for the subs!! can't wait to catch up.
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Post by sonnenstern on Jun 26, 2013 22:45:00 GMT -5
So glad to see this show is back. I really have missed it alot. Since I haven't kept up, will anyone please give me a quick run-down on where are the "old" characters and who are the "new" characters? I know that Deniz has a son and that Anette died (don;t know how) but thats about all I do know. Thanks to Mimi for the subs!! can't wait to catch up. I try it to explain for you. Sorry for my bad english in advance. Marian is the father of Deniz and the uncle from Can, and now married with Lena. Lena is Katja's sister and have a son Alexander, (father of Alexander is Maximilian). Lena working in the Steinkampdancefactory. Lena is in the moment in a other body because the "original Lena" is in a baby break. But she come back after that. Deniz live in the flatshare with Lukas, Can and now Joscha. Can is Deniz cousin. Lukas is Joscha's brother. Lukas and Joscha are the son's of David Degen. David Degen is one of the Boss or what ever in the Steinkamp Dance factory. In the other flatshare live Ingo with Ben, Bea, Julia and Katja. Bea is Ben's girlfriend and sister of Julia. And Bea is now the Boss from the "pommes schranke". And Ben has now a own Night Club and Bar or something. Letizia is Dancer in the Steinamp Dance Factory and ex girlfriend of Lukas, the brother of Joscha. Julia and Lukas are Dancer in the Dancefactory too. Letizia is also the daughter of Maximilian and the half sister of Alexander and Sophia. Maximilian's daughter with Isabell Isabell and Marco are now together and both working in the Dancefactory. And Marco have find out he is the son from Richard Steinkamp. That makes the half brother of Ben, Jennifer and Vanessa. I hope you understand my english.
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 26, 2013 23:08:01 GMT -5
An excellent summary Sonnenstern! One question though -- Is Roman's brother Florian still part of the show or has Michael Kuehl left it? He was one of my favorite characters and I thought he was a great addition and really stirred things up for Roman.
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Post by megi307 on Jun 27, 2013 1:31:19 GMT -5
An excellent summary Sonnenstern! One question though -- Is Roman's brother Florian still part of the show or has Michael Kuehl left it? He was one of my favorite characters and I thought he was a great addition and really stirred things up for Roman. Michael N. Kuehl left the show in 2012. Franziska(Richard's niece),Florian's girlfriend, went to Canada after becoming part of a famous ice-hockey team. He can not stand the long distance, he travels to Canada to Franzi and spontaneously decided to stay there.
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 27, 2013 6:58:24 GMT -5
That's too bad. Thank you megi307!
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 27, 2013 12:29:44 GMT -5
Next part courtesy of Mimi:
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 27, 2013 22:44:16 GMT -5
And another new clip today from Mimi!
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Post by jos87 on Jun 28, 2013 8:47:02 GMT -5
Thank you for the video. I was wondering if Can knows about his cousin's bisexuality or if he thinks his cousin is totally straight. When he arrived in Essen Roman was dead and maybe he knows only about Sarah. BTW it's always a pleasure to see Deniz and Joscha on screen,even if in other storylines.
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Post by megi307 on Jun 28, 2013 10:18:44 GMT -5
Thank you for the video. I was wondering if Can knows about his cousin's bisexuality or if he thinks his cousin is totally straight. When he arrived in Essen Roman was dead and maybe he knows only about Sarah. BTW it's always a pleasure to see Deniz and Joscha on screen,even if in other storylines. I wasn't really paying attention to his scenes before, but I'm pretty sure Can knows Deniz is bi
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Post by chase33 on Jun 28, 2013 10:38:06 GMT -5
So glad to see this show is back. I really have missed it alot. Since I haven't kept up, will anyone please give me a quick run-down on where are the "old" characters and who are the "new" characters? I know that Deniz has a son and that Anette died (don;t know how) but thats about all I do know. Thanks to Mimi for the subs!! can't wait to catch up. I try it to explain for you. Sorry for my bad english in advance. Marian is the father of Deniz and the uncle from Can, and now married with Lena. Lena is Katja's sister and have a son Alexander, (father of Alexander is Maximilian). Lena working in the Steinkampdancefactory. Lena is in the moment in a other body because the "original Lena" is in a baby break. But she come back after that. Deniz live in the flatshare with Lukas, Can and now Joscha. Can is Deniz cousin. Lukas is Joscha's brother. Lukas and Joscha are the son's of David Degen. David Degen is one of the Boss or what ever in the Steinkamp Dance factory. In the other flatshare live Ingo with Ben, Bea, Julia and Katja. Bea is Ben's girlfriend and sister of Julia. And Bea is now the Boss from the "pommes schranke". And Ben has now a own Night Club and Bar or something. Letizia is Dancer in the Steinamp Dance Factory and ex girlfriend of Lukas, the brother of Joscha. Julia and Lukas are Dancer in the Dancefactory too. Letizia is also the daughter of Maximilian and the half sister of Alexander and Sophia. Maximilian's daughter with Isabell Isabell and Marco are now together and both working in the Dancefactory. And Marco have find out he is the son from Richard Steinkamp. That makes the half brother of Ben, Jennifer and Vanessa. I hope you understand my english. Thanks Sonnenstern! So what happened to Anette? and did Jenny ever come back?and is Dr. Axel still around? I too miss Florian, he was also a favorite character of mine (so much so that I named my newest puppy after him) I can;t believe Marian and Lena are married!
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