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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 14:04:12 GMT -5
Have any of you ever watched some and what was your reaction? I'm going to guess this is one of those "just for the women" questions. Well the topic on this board is Straight girls why do we like it? so yes I guess it is just a girls what do you think? thing however do you find gay porn fake as well?
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Post by davedoty on May 22, 2009 15:03:28 GMT -5
Well the topic on this board is Straight girls why do we like it? Oh, it didn't bother me. Mostly I was just being silly, since the question means something entirely different if you ask it to most of the men on this board. Well, I don't think it's much surprise that most men, regardless of sexuality, look at porn differently than most women. (Note I said "most" in both of those cases.) Honestly, I don't think it would ever occur to me to look at porn in terms of realistic vs. fake. I guess I can see how straight women might look at gay porn as an opportunity to see into that window, so to speak. But to me, the point of porn isn't to accurately capture the reality of sex. It's to be hot to look at. And what people actually do isn't necessarily what's hottest to watch. The lack of realism can actually help in some cases. Lord knows realistic prison porn would be an unwatchable horror film! And sometimes it can be sort of charming to watch the beautiful lunkheads stumble their way through wooden dialog. Yes, twenty-eight year old high school student, stay late to work off that detention with the teacher who's only two years older than you!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 15:47:17 GMT -5
Good God Man! I am laughing so hard right now!
Porn is supposed to be sort of fake, I don't know I think it is the fake noises that put me off.
And I would like to say it is actually kind of nice to have a male opinion here.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 7, 2009 4:34:34 GMT -5
And sometimes it can be sort of charming to watch the beautiful lunkheads stumble their way through wooden dialog. Yes, twenty-eight year old high school student, stay late to work off that detention with the teacher who's only two years older than you! Oh - so you've seen that one too? ;D ;D ;D cj4 - dubbed moaning is even worse than canned laughter ;D
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Post by wenn on Jun 7, 2009 16:01:07 GMT -5
Pretty new here but wanted to throw my 2 pfenning in on this topic My first real exposure to this was QAF and boy was I hooked! For me, I am torn whether the allure of gay love is more emotional or physical. I would venture that it is pretty evenly divided for me but maybe a bit more the emotional aspect. In my experience of dating men I have always been attracted to the ones that had no problem showing their emotions and were not all macho or full of them selves. I think that when I see two men together, the courage to be themselves, to love who they want and the triumph of that love speaks to me. As for the physical side, well, come on...do I really have to explain? lol I am attracted to the male form and in a sense, I "bond" with gay men over our mutual love of the male gender! I guess most of what I said here relates more to the gay men/couples I am friends with in real life but it applies to TV shows and movies too. ANd not to sound deragatory but I have always had a huge soft spot for the underdogs in life. I was kind of a wallflower in high school so I think I identify with some of the feelings that gay men and women go through. I wasn't the "norm" I was my own person and that didn't always appeal to the masses. So I guess sort of like "sympathy pains" if you get what I mean Anyway, I am lucky in that my partner (I hate using the word boyfriend at age 39) is mega gay friendly and will watch what I call my "gay love movies" from Netflix with me
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Post by davedoty on Jun 9, 2009 6:16:15 GMT -5
I will say that one thing that makes me a little sad is when some straight women say they're into gay couples is because they're equals, and don't come with all the baggage of straight couples. Partially, I think it's silly to believe that gay couples have any less baggage than straight ones, but mostly, it makes me sad that people would be so jaded and hurt by their relationships that they can't even project themselves into their fantasies, and seek out couples without females so they can see a "happy" couple. It makes me sad to think that there are straight women out there who think that thoroughly that they can't be in a happy relationship.
Note I'm NOT saying that's what most of the women in these parts, or slash fandom, do. I'm talking specifically about the women who more or less come out and say exactly that.
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Post by wenn on Jun 9, 2009 13:25:43 GMT -5
I will say that one thing that makes me a little sad is when some straight women say they're into gay couples is because they're equals, and don't come with all the baggage of straight couples. Partially, I think it's silly to believe that gay couples have any less baggage than straight ones, but mostly, it makes me sad that people would be so jaded and hurt by their relationships that they can't even project themselves into their fantasies, and seek out couples without females so they can see a "happy" couple. It makes me sad to think that there are straight women out there who think that thoroughly that they can't be in a happy relationship. Note I'm NOT saying that's what most of the women in these parts, or slash fandom, do. I'm talking specifically about the women who more or less come out and say exactly that. LOLOLOL - sorry davedoty, I didn't meant to laugh but the whole idea that women might think that gay couples don't come with baggage is quite funny to me. One of my best friends had so many more baggage issues with his partner (male) than I did with my partner (male too ) I know you and pretty much all gay men already know this but there is such a diversity of men who identify as gay out there that it is silly to stereotype them in one group. In my group of gay men that I know and/or are friends with, there is a vast array of differences. And a lot of them wouldn't be friends with each other because they are so different LOL Anyway, I guess my point was that I totally agree with you about the assumption that gay couple don't have baggage or any assumption about gay people period
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 13:40:07 GMT -5
Sheepie: Yes dubbed moaning is so bad.
Davedoty: I see your point, some women do think that way (I know quite a few), but I also know women who think lesbians have the right idea getting rid of men in their lives. I prefer keeping men around because they have more logical thinking and I tend to offend girls really easily just by not wanting to talk about certain things.
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Post by vea on Sept 3, 2009 6:37:20 GMT -5
Hello, this is a very interesting question! I have always wondered why I pine after gay love and gay men. It is because two men together are mysterious to me. I would like to experience what it is like to love a man as a man and not as a woman. It is very inspiring to see two men together when they are tender and loving and not fighting or beating. But what strikes me the most is the fact that the love between two men is NOT based on the evolutionary destiny to reproduce. Therefore for me the love between men is somehow deeper and purer. I hope I could convey my thoughts properly. (English is not my native language.)
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Post by corabora on Sept 3, 2009 8:49:06 GMT -5
Oh well I thought it was weird for me to like some gay men kissing but apparently it's pretty common YAY lol I've never really thought about why I loved them, I just think it can be really hot (duh ^^). And most of the time the couples are so cute that I can't resist and become addicted to it. The storylines are mostly really good and intense. Some straight couples in shows can have good storylines and be really addictive as well, don't get me wrong but I've got a tendency to be addicted to gay couples haha.
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Post by Nadia90 on Sept 6, 2009 5:00:50 GMT -5
Well........that's a good question lol Why people like's breathe? Why do we like's nice things? I like seeing two handome guys together, that is ;D .
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Post by softfurbear on Nov 6, 2009 6:17:45 GMT -5
AfterElton.com wants to know too (although it's directed at all women) in a survey which is open till Nov. 6, at midnight. They also say, "If you'd like to expound on your answers, please feel free to do so in the comments. We just might include them in our article about the results! " www.afterelton.com/people/2009/11/survey-women-and-gay-men
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Post by thunderkat on Nov 29, 2009 17:40:07 GMT -5
so...jumping very late into the conversation, but i just read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlf*gand saw this interview on Tyra banks of 2 women who identify as Gay men trapped in Women's bodies www.medicinefilms.com/pill/185836 - (wouldn't link up..don't know why ) I find the concept fascinating and I think it adequately accounts for a lot of the attraction that straight women have to this genre. Primarily what the wiki entry and the interview are focusing on is sexual in nature, which differs, I think from the main draw of this genre to straight women. I think in addition to the "ho crap, these two guys making out are hot!" element(not that one can wholly discount that element...at all....) there is also a very real preoccupation with the relationship/romantic/situational elements. I would say that most of us straight girls who like this stuff might be minor level GirlF*gs, as in we recognize and appreciate the erotic potency of two men in love - and oh what potency it is - but unlike the women in the interview, still pursue relationships with straight men. For me, the draw is about 50/50 btw the erotic and the romantic, not that there always exists a division btw. the two, but for me that's the breakdown. And I first got drawn in through star trek slash fiction, which kind of embarrasses me (more for the sci-fi element). sigh. my geekiness it just...never seems to get any better.
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Post by adonaiskid24 on Dec 29, 2009 0:20:56 GMT -5
For me I think it is because of the stories. It doesn't matter if it an "the closet" gay afraid to come out or two guys cuddling up with each other. I believe in love, even though I haven't been able to find any myself, I have hope for both sexes. But especially the gay storyline since it is such a struggle for any part of their story to be shown correctly because of networks or hetero family coalitions. I like being able to watch a gay storyline and feel that "we" are moving in the right direction... networks letting many storyliine directions occur like Olli and Christian or Kyle & Fish (definitely them rather than Luke/Noah). And the fact that the actors are cute too helps a lot. And hetero stories are what is prominent and has been done over and over again. It is great to be able to switch up and watch love/heartbreak shown differently. Mainly, I am just a sappy romantic who drools for those looks across the room, hand holding, a kiss... So far the storylines just make it about the process it takes to make it to the next level (whether it is sex or just staying in the relationship) and it is a bit more exciting and romantic than hetero stories.
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Post by stregatta on Jan 20, 2010 21:35:03 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with Nanna on this one: Definitely all of the above. And as my friend once pointed out to me there are three kinds of girls: lesbians, straight girls who like straight guys, and straight girls who like gay guys. Of which he informed me I was clearly part of the third group. LOL. I've also kind of reached the point where, in relation to TV and movies and things, straight couples just aren't that interesting. They all have the same story and it's always told the same way. I need something new and different to keep my interest. Amen to your thoughts...Same here!! Plus I'm a curious person, I like to be surprised, so to speak. Not just for romance, for inst., Twilight, for my tastes was boing...I'd have added to it a good slice of suspense more & supernatural stuff (anyone knows HEX x inst.?! ) I just wanted to say more, than anyways, for me it's not enough see 2 guys kissing for "turning me on", the basic thing here & for any other fictional thing it's the story: that's the thing that makes me falling in love with the rest (then of course the actors)...So not all is the same... Last but not least, it happened to me to watch on tv, by chance the famous THE L WORLD, for curiosity: as a matter of fact it makes a difference to see 2 girls, being a straight girl too (apart from the fact I had a little fun, since everyone there seemed to be a sort of lesbo-nymphomaniac, & all people, at least bisex )...1st time you see it it's uncomfortably odd, 'cause you feel more the emphaty, or the masculinity in certain women...However when you "relax", when the plot is good, you can sympathize with those couples, as if they were hetero, in the end... With the boys it's easier,'cause it seems to watch & enjoy "2 birds with 1 stone", plus they're way sweeter than average men, aren't they?! at least on the telly! Obviously, you have to be open-minded & not to be in a strictly conservative family to enjoy...ciao
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Post by irinobabe on Feb 7, 2010 1:11:13 GMT -5
What a completely fascinating thread. Since I was a teenager I was intensely interested in gay men and relationships, and I never knew why. I didn't dislike them, but I was one of those who if I saw two men walking down the street holding hands I would look, not out of disgust, but with fascination.
Through university my friends and I would spend at least one night of the week at the gay bars in town; while we went to straight bars as well, THE PLACE to be was at the gay bar where we would be assured of a good time. The draw was for reasons previously mentioned: hot guys, hot guys into each other, not fearing to get hit on while being able to look at hot guys. The funny thing was, we all at some point got hit on by guys, either straight or maybe bi, who managed to find out, that going to gay bars was a good way to meet girls (??!!) But my friends and I befriended gay guys, hung out with them, and had laughs together, and shared stories of our romantic or tragic relationships. And I am totally turned on by two guys making out. I have no qualms about that. My friends did too, although I had more friends who didn't understand the fascination and would be creeped out by two guys being physical with each other.
I love the stories, like Chrolli, that are well acted, and Kish, that are well written. The portrayals of the characters are fascinating, and the stories compelling (well, compelling for Chrolli again, and not trite, hopefully). I think some storylines transcend the gay/straight barrier.
There were comments earlier about whether women who were m/m fans were averse to watching two guys really go at it. Having watched gay porn though, that the differences between guy wiring and girl wiring, no matter what the orientation, still exists. I don't like graphic scenes that is just gratuitous in and out close-ups that has no buildup or any kind of story to it (even a hint of one). I still like a story, I still like chemistry, I still like the wow factor that doesn't always have to show the body parts.
Are there girls who like gay storylines and characters, but can't get with the physical interaction between the characters? I would think not, but everybody's different, and that's what makes the world interesting.
It's amazing to find sites like this one, where fans can share thoughtfully and reflectively.
BTW, I loved QAF US. It had its faults, but it was so groundbreaking in its stories and larger than life characters. And the love scenes were just smoking hot. While I'd never seen a place like the backroom of Babylon, even the many years ago when I was clubbing there were bathroom shenanigans, drugs, alcohol, etc. It was not representative of the gay community in general, but specific characters. Just as Gossip Girl, I'm sure, does not represent very many teens, or first year college students. anyhoo, that's another thread, I'm sure.
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Post by chellebell on Mar 30, 2010 3:58:54 GMT -5
I LOVE IT BECAUSE .. BECAUSE.. JUST BECAUSE!! .. their soooooo cuteee... just seeing two males together.. just makes me droooooool!! and the storyline are more interesting, i think? Seeing two males together is just the best thing ever.. to be honest, i just cant describe.... girls, how exactly do you answer someone with a question like 'why do you like gay guys so much'...? because when that topic comes up.. oh boy, does my mouth ever shut up!
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Post by mylu on Mar 30, 2010 4:51:29 GMT -5
i find it intressing how some male friends of mine gets supried that i like it . I mean serisly.
I'm a slasholic can't help it. And yes it's mainly QAF's fault lol
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Post by luckycharm on Mar 30, 2010 11:25:07 GMT -5
This is an interesting & curious thread with a surprising number of different views arising from it. Seems like you girls aren't even terribly sure what your attraction is yourselves. This post is almost 2 years old, but I'm responding to it, anyway. ;D Yes, but.... not really. Yeah, caught me. Although a good story will enamour me, regardless of the pairing, f/f, f/m, m/m, I can actually sit through a barely bearable story if it's m/m. At the least, it has to be a *good* story for me to sit through a f/m, and a FABULOUSLY AMAZING story for me to sit through a f/f. For me, as others have mentioned, it's the exoticism to it, in part. The "forbidden" - esp. in a culture where men are supposed to be uber cautious of bonding with other males, where emotional connection seem to be like this "great big feat" for men, when it comes to their interactions with females....that having them connect with another man, no less, warms the cockles of my heart and imagination. Men are supposed to see other men as competition, they are the most brutal to each other, ready to strike with physical violence, most easily towards each other (like it's norm - male aggression), having that turned on its head, where men are GENTLE with one another.... ...seeing power matching power, but, with a "novel" outcome. Making love, rather than making war. Hot, and intriguing, and, comforting. The only "romantic" notions I have, seem to come alive, then. I can place myself with a character, regardless of gender, as long as certain characteristic, or, personality traits resonate with me. I've come across some romantic flicks, where I could actually resonate with the "guy" in the flick, while, my current bf of the time would be more the "girl". He had pointed it out as so, as well. E.g., I forget the movie, but, the guy is the 'go with the flow'/doesn't take life seriously, joking around, doesn't do commitments, while the girl is the serious, contemplative, overly mature one...yeah, it was pretty much a mirror of myself and my bf at the time, as we both found, to our amusements, that I was very much so like the guy and he was very much so, like the girl. It's not about gender, but, personality. Yeah, curious thing that. I think it's because this board is mostly focused on "male gay storylines", so, the responders were "speaking to the audience", so to speak. Hence, why the omission of daughters, not consciously, but because of the topic at hand, skewed the responses. I would do the same with my sons and daughter, if/when, I have any. Heh...um, hell yeah. I actually think I have a gay porn collection that would rival a gay man's. I won't say more on that. I, for one, am a proud member of this magical cult.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2010 13:30:03 GMT -5
I have to admit I prefer m/m relationships to f/f (I'm a girl and bisexual, so yeah that makes sense doesn't it? ). But Willow and Tara on Buffy the Vampire Slayer are my favorite same sex couple behind Chrolli they were just so wonderful together and I have a bit of a thing for Amber Benson
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Post by mylu on Mar 31, 2010 5:09:15 GMT -5
i thought that was only me lol I'm a girl and bi too. The only f/f i really like is sarah/heather from big love. But they never really happend. Whish is a bumer ( okay spelling is a littel off maybe lol) I dn't knwon if it's b/c i have a thing for tina that plays heather or not.
And i did enjoy willow/kennedy, saddldy they were on for sush a short time.
But yeah my slash loving is mainly m/m
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Post by chrollilover on Apr 6, 2010 21:37:00 GMT -5
I don't know why do i love it. I'm bi and i started watching gay movies but now soap operas are my addiction. Once you start you can't stop Chrolli and DeRo are my favourites, i always enjoy watching gay kisses. Love
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Post by mylu on Apr 9, 2010 5:44:47 GMT -5
no you can't stop
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Post by horsepenny on Jun 3, 2010 23:22:40 GMT -5
I'm a bi girl and I love seeing gay guys kiss and stuff. I can never really talk about it with my friends because they would think I was insane. I thought I was the only chick who liked this kinda stuff... But I guess it's more normal than I thought. Does anybody talk about this with RL people? Because I never have (and I don't think I'll ever want to) and I'm wondering if it's normal to shut up about it,...
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Post by chrollilover on Jul 12, 2010 18:08:46 GMT -5
I've never talked about this to anybody... well, just my best friend and she looked at me as if i was crazy. I don't know if it's normal or not but i love watching this kinda stuff. I've been doing it since i was a child. Imagine that! I'm 23. I used to watch gay themed movies on tv during midnight but now i'm always online looking for something to watch. It's never enough haha. When I found Gays of Daytime was like a treasure Many people talking about movies and soap operas that we love. It's amazing! I really enjoy passing by this place.
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