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Post by kevvoi on Mar 18, 2014 17:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 25, 2014 17:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by cheerios on Mar 26, 2014 0:27:08 GMT -5
I understand Will wants to hide and can't accept himself for being gay. But to marry that poor girl when she has no idea his true self and messing around with her isn't fair. I get that in that world he can't be out. But what about an arrangement with a woman who understands and who knows the truth. Not some girl whose probably gonna be devastated.
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 27, 2014 17:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 28, 2014 6:02:18 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 31, 2014 17:07:12 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 1, 2014 15:45:40 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 3, 2014 16:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on May 6, 2014 16:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on May 10, 2014 7:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by dmagiclight on May 10, 2014 14:46:43 GMT -5
yea so happy mote will
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Post by kevvoi on May 13, 2014 16:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on May 15, 2014 6:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 15, 2014 13:05:13 GMT -5
That's the stupidest thing I've read in a while. Even if there had been a similar situation, it doesn't mean the writers have to write it with the same outcome. wtf?  They could use some other writers on the show though... |
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Post by kevvoi on May 20, 2014 17:39:18 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 22, 2014 15:45:46 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Aug 1, 2014 21:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 2, 2014 6:08:56 GMT -5
That's the stupidest thing I've read in a while. Even if there had been a similar situation, it doesn't mean the writers have to write it with the same outcome. wtf? They could use some other writers on the show though... It depends on the reaction. Let's be honest, it's a real now ground, but given the fact that how country radio reacted to a song like Follow your arrow, i think it's very difficult to believe that an openly gay singer had any success in mainstream country. Country radio is very conservative, and not only socially conservative. New artist have a really tough time breaking the market, no matter how buzz there are about them. Hunter Hayes is a good example. There were a lot of buzz around him previous to any of his releases but Storm warning failed to reach top 10 and only after Wanted became a hit he was able to place his songs up in the chart. And now he is getting trouble again, maybe because the lyrics of his songs are not the typical ones for a country singer, or even his looks are not the ones you expect. Even big names like Eric Church get in trouble when they try a different sound. And with a few exceptions (Carrie and Miranda) the chart is totally dominated for the same kind of male singer, with the same kind of lyrics and the same kind of looks (with very few exceptions). The curious thing is most of new singers are very very far from being homophobic in fact a good bunch of them are very gay friendly, but i can't say the same of radio stations. And it's not that surprising, Sam Smith's Stay with me is the first song from an openly gay singer to reach the top 10 in pop radio in 20 years. And the songs from openly gay singers in pop radio in the last decade are very very few. So the writers are quite limited to write the story if they want to be realistic. Right now are other options like Steve Grand prove, to find success, but in terms of mainstream (and that's what Will and the label want) is a new territory and very difficult to predict but i don't expect a warm reaction |
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Post by moonstruck-me on Aug 5, 2014 12:30:54 GMT -5
That's the stupidest thing I've read in a while. Even if there had been a similar situation, it doesn't mean the writers have to write it with the same outcome. wtf? They could use some other writers on the show though... It depends on the reaction. Let's be honest, it's a real now ground, but given the fact that how country radio reacted to a song like Follow your arrow, i think it's very difficult to believe that an openly gay singer had any success in mainstream country. Country radio is very conservative, and not only socially conservative. New artist have a really tough time breaking the market, no matter how buzz there are about them. Hunter Hayes is a good example. There were a lot of buzz around him previous to any of his releases but Storm warning failed to reach top 10 and only after Wanted became a hit he was able to place his songs up in the chart. And now he is getting trouble again, maybe because the lyrics of his songs are not the typical ones for a country singer, or even his looks are not the ones you expect. Even big names like Eric Church get in trouble when they try a different sound. And with a few exceptions (Carrie and Miranda) the chart is totally dominated for the same kind of male singer, with the same kind of lyrics and the same kind of looks (with very few exceptions). The curious thing is most of new singers are very very far from being homophobic in fact a good bunch of them are very gay friendly, but i can't say the same of radio stations. And it's not that surprising, Sam Smith's Stay with me is the first song from an openly gay singer to reach the top 10 in pop radio in 20 years. And the songs from openly gay singers in pop radio in the last decade are very very few. So the writers are quite limited to write the story if they want to be realistic. Right now are other options like Steve Grand prove, to find success, but in terms of mainstream (and that's what Will and the label want) is a new territory and very difficult to predict but i don't expect a warm reaction I don't disagree with you on almost anything but the writers could still do a lot of other things with Will's storyline than what they have done so far. There's no need to marry a girl and where did Will's former "boyfriend" go? And I don't think the writers are that limited but they sure make it seem that way. |
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 5, 2014 14:50:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately, what they did is totally realistic.
One only needs to read a bunch of blind items to know that there are a lot of singers and actors (in way more liberal enviroments than country) that are not only in the closet but doing the bearding thing full time.
I think country, R&B and hip hop (i'm talking about mainstream) are the most difficult to find an openly gay singer (with probabilities of being successful).
We have Frank Ocean, but even he is very successful the truth is his music is more experimental than mainstream.
And even on pop, Sam Smith could be the first openly gay singer to score a number one on pop airplay. As far as i know, nobody did it first (Elton John, Ricky Martin or George Michael had their number ones before coming out).
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Post by angel on Aug 5, 2014 19:05:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately, what they did is totally realistic. One only needs to read a bunch of blind items to know that there are a lot of singers and actors (in way more liberal enviroments than country) that are not only in the closet but doing the bearding thing full time. I think country, R&B and hip hop (i'm talking about mainstream) are the most difficult to find an openly gay singer (with probabilities of being successful). We have Frank Ocean, but even he is very successful the truth is his music is more experimental than mainstream. And even on pop, Sam Smith could be the first openly gay singer to score a number one on pop airplay. As far as i know, nobody did it first (Elton John, Ricky Martin or George Michael had their number ones before coming out). But between comming out and only live with a perfect shining normal life with a girlfriend, gives so many storys between that, also in reality. Like the fakegirlfriend knew it from beginning, its mostly the best friend, and they talk about everything. Or they had some doublelife one for the outside world, and at home a secret boyfriend that is for the outside world the harmless straight manager or personalassistent or something else. Or they pay much for a night with a highsocietycallboy once a months not only for sex, also for the discretion. Or they style themself over, to someone else, color their hair with a hair tint, complete different clothing, so that no one recognizes them anymore, and go with this new style on the runway and hit on some gay guys for a one night stand. And after it, they are satisfied for a while, and style back to normal person again, till they missed something in their live again and the round starts again. Thats also reality. And a TV show, want to entertain, so they could show both sites of life, the life for the outside world, and also the life thats going on between closed doors. |
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 6, 2014 0:19:37 GMT -5
In fact, the girlfriend knowing it it's 101 bearding, and it's better in the long run (or course i always wonder how type of desperate girl accepts that type of arrangement) because if not, there's a big probability that the situation ends exploding in their faces
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Post by moonstruck-me on Aug 8, 2014 8:56:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately, what they did is totally realistic. One only needs to read a bunch of blind items to know that there are a lot of singers and actors (in way more liberal enviroments than country) that are not only in the closet but doing the bearding thing full time. I think country, R&B and hip hop (i'm talking about mainstream) are the most difficult to find an openly gay singer (with probabilities of being successful). We have Frank Ocean, but even he is very successful the truth is his music is more experimental than mainstream. And even on pop, Sam Smith could be the first openly gay singer to score a number one on pop airplay. As far as i know, nobody did it first (Elton John, Ricky Martin or George Michael had their number ones before coming out). But again, one thing is to have a beard, another thing is to marry your beard. And like you say, it's very realistic that it's a difficult business to be a male, gay, country singer in America but Will isn't out on the show and they could do tons of other story lines with his character than what they are doing right now.
Imo, it feels like the writers are writing Will's storyline to keep him out of having a relationship with another dude and I really hate that.
- I know he's not a country singer but Duncan James from Blue had a beard as well at one point in his career (or more than one - whatever). Still, he didn't marry her and he wasn't on a reality show where his private life would be on camera...
It just comes down to that I think the writing could be a lot better on Nashville and I think it's great that they want to have a gay character on their show and give him screen time but I think they could do a better job - even if this hasn't happened before irl for a country singer. |
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 8, 2014 9:57:30 GMT -5
There's a lot of Hollywood people, and athletes that married their beards. In fact there's a company in germany that provide beards for soccer players (so it must be a good bunch of them to make the business lucrative).
Right now, for a country singer on a mainstream company coming out will be the death of his career, at least in terms of mainstream success. Steve Grand showed that if you are smart enough you could find some success in not so overused paths.
Carrie Underwood wich is without a doubt a country diva superstar right now, received a lot of backlash when she come out in favour of gay marriage.
There are a good bunch of new country stars that are gay friendly, from Kacey Musgraves to Dierks Bentley, but one thing is being gay friendly, and other very different is being gay.
And it's not only country, in the last decade only a bunch of songs of openly gay artist were in the top 40 of pop airplay. And the only gay singer to have a top 10 on pop is Sam Smith (who has two right now and he could be the first openly gay singer to score a number one).
There are a lot of evidence that some successful singers are gay (and the same with actors) but for record companies is simply a question of business. If you come out you lose part of the teen girl fanbase, so if you are not an artist who appeal to the adult market (and that's what happens with Sam Smith) the record label will be totally against of a coming out (and i'm talking about pop)
Being gay in a boyband seems not be that hard, a lot of boyband have a gay member, but most of them will come out after the band dissapear.
Bearding is beyond being gay, a lot of actors and singers have fake relationship because being in a couple rise your profile. If a couple sells magazines nobody cares if the couple is fake. Even when the couple is obviously fake (Taylor Swift/Harry Styles, or Taylor Swift and every boyfriend she had) the press is eager to buy it (by the way i don't understand Taylor Swift, she is a megastar and she has no need to date fake boyfriends to be relevant).
We have here a character who is desperate to be successful and who doesn't deal well with his sexuality, so the storyline is not what you (or me) want to watch, but it's quite realistic (i think if we wait five years we'll se coming out a good bunch of celebrities that did the whole fake relationships for a good while). And i won't be surprised if some singers (specially the ones that were hired after a talent show) have contracts that extrictly forbids to come out
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Post by moonstruck-me on Aug 8, 2014 11:32:21 GMT -5
There's a lot of Hollywood people, and athletes that married their beards. In fact there's a company in germany that provide beards for soccer players (so it must be a good bunch of them to make the business lucrative). Right now, for a country singer on a mainstream company coming out will be the death of his career, at least in terms of mainstream success. Steve Grand showed that if you are smart enough you could find some success in not so overused paths. Carrie Underwood wich is without a doubt a country diva superstar right now, received a lot of backlash when she come out in favour of gay marriage. There are a good bunch of new country stars that are gay friendly, from Kacey Musgraves to Dierks Bentley, but one thing is being gay friendly, and other very different is being gay. And it's not only country, in the last decade only a bunch of songs of openly gay artist were in the top 40 of pop airplay. And the only gay singer to have a top 10 on pop is Sam Smith (who has two right now and he could be the first openly gay singer to score a number one). There are a lot of evidence that some successful singers are gay (and the same with actors) but for record companies is simply a question of business. If you come out you lose part of the teen girl fanbase, so if you are not an artist who appeal to the adult market (and that's what happens with Sam Smith) the record label will be totally against of a coming out (and i'm talking about pop) Being gay in a boyband seems not be that hard, a lot of boyband have a gay member, but most of them will come out after the band dissapear. Bearding is beyond being gay, a lot of actors and singers have fake relationship because being in a couple rise your profile. If a couple sells magazines nobody cares if the couple is fake. Even when the couple is obviously fake (Taylor Swift/Harry Styles, or Taylor Swift and every boyfriend she had) the press is eager to buy it (by the way i don't understand Taylor Swift, she is a megastar and she has no need to date fake boyfriends to be relevant). We have here a character who is desperate to be successful and who doesn't deal well with his sexuality, so the storyline is not what you (or me) want to watch, but it's quite realistic (i think if we wait five years we'll se coming out a good bunch of celebrities that did the whole fake relationships for a good while). And i won't be surprised if some singers (specially the ones that were hired after a talent show) have contracts that extrictly forbids to come out Come on. When has a reality show ever done anything good for a country singer? And if you have trouble with your sexuality and not coping well with it and stuff, who the hell chooses to be on a reality show where everyone gets to peek into your daily life regularly? I don't find that realistic at all. Why couldn't Will's image be the heartthrob and single guy that all the female fans lust after instead of marrying him off to the first girl he's set up with? Why couldn't Will do a Taylor Swift (with girls of course)? |
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