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Post by jjose712 on Jun 19, 2011 5:31:15 GMT -5
The comparision is not fair. USA is the first democracy of the world, you expect something better. Brazil (and other latin american countries) are making their first steps, they have a very conservative background and it's only a question of time. I remember the controversy on America about the gay kiss, but here there's a big difference because they are building the relationship, something that didn't happen in America. It's the same that happens in portugal, i remember the soap Ninguem como tu, that was very innovative for portuguese soaps standards, they had two gay characters in supporting roles, one of them was an adult and he was a friend of one of the female main characters, they didn't show their private life, but he found a boyfriend in the last episode. The other was a teen and they show the coming out storyline, but they had problems to show the kiss with his boyfriend and they had to change that. That was the first case and right now is not uncommon to watch gay characters and some kisses in night time soaps, unfortunately is not the same on teen soaps as we know becuase the case of Morangos con açucar last year. But there are always the first step that makes the rest easier. Gay characters are changing in brazilian soaps, from non existent to gay stereotypes playing for laughs, to positive characters in supporting roles, to characters with their own storylines. Sooner or later the kiss thing won't be a problem. To be honest, i think we'll see a gay character kissing and having his own storyline in a brazilian soap that the same in a US soap (without kissing bans or the character being blaming for the bad ratings) |
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 19, 2011 10:47:44 GMT -5
It's a bit dissapointing regarding the "no kiss" thing. I have to wonder how Argentina seems to have left the rest of South America in the dust regarding showing same sex love scenes/sex scenes/kissing scenes.
Maybe it's something in the water? ;D
Nevertheless, I'll be interested in seeing what happens with Edu and Hugo, and if they become a couple, how the show conveys that, and if it's believable. There's ways to hug like buddies, and there's ways to hug that convey more than that. We'll see....
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 19, 2011 10:55:20 GMT -5
There's shoulder pats, shoulder rubs, maybe a nice hand caress across a cheek and the intense stares into the others eyes, while the couple's love theme is played in the background.   Tihkon, I'm not sure exactly what IS in the Argentine waters, but I'm thankful that it inspired the writing and overall performances of Cristian and Ezequel as Manuel and Lalo from 2010's "Botineras". It would have been a crime against all things that inspire telenovelas if that storyline couldn't have been fully written and portrayed as it was. Those two actors were absolutely breathtaking together as a "one true pairing" couple. Accidential deaths, affairs, accusations of doping, kidnapping and physical attacks couldn't keep them apart in the end. |
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Post by dots80 on Jun 19, 2011 14:39:59 GMT -5
but I'm thankful that it inspired the writing and overall performances of Cristian and Ezequel as Manuel and Lalo from 2010's "Botineras". It would have been a crime against all things that inspire telenovelas if that storyline couldn't have been fully written and portrayed as it was. Those two actors were absolutely breathtaking together as a "one true pairing" couple. Accidential deaths, affairs, accusations of doping, kidnapping and physical attacks couldn't keep them apart in the end. I do have to agree with you on Botineras. Both Actors (Cristian/Ezequiel) gave incredible performances. And kudos to the producers of that show for allowing the gay storyline to really go there. It kinda set the standard for Latin America tv gay couples. ;D |
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Post by Zathras on Jun 19, 2011 21:13:39 GMT -5
The comparision is not fair. USA is the first democracy of the world, you expect something better. One nit-pick: the USA actually isn't the world's first democracy. The earliest notable democratic government was probably in ancient Greece, more than 2000 years ago. At any rate, it is hard to compare different cultural expectations and norms, especially in diverse parts of the world. I found the South Korean show Life is Beautiful interesting for the same reason; they have a really conservative stance that was strange to me. The gay couple there hugged a lot, but never kissed on screen. I guess I don't know what to expect from a Brazilian show. But, either way, it does help me appreciate the comparative progress and openness that we see in other places like the US. |
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 20, 2011 9:04:03 GMT -5
I was talking about that the USA is the biggest democrat country in the world (Greece was first in a lot of things, but a long long time ago, it's the same with arabic countries, centuries ago they were the most advanced countries in the world).
To be honest i expect more for a show coming from USA that from a show that is coming from a latin american country, because in terms of gay movement (more than gay rights) is more advanced.
In my opinion Brazil only needs to break the ice, once it happen it will be a storm in a glass of water and after that most people will get used to it. As i say, in terms of gay characters the advance is really clear in the last years, and i don't think it will stop
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 21, 2011 12:06:18 GMT -5
Part 8:
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 21, 2011 12:37:24 GMT -5
I love how Alice's like "Please, even I don't believe you!" Edu's spending all of his free time with "just his friend" Hugo. Is his girlfriend on vacation?
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 21, 2011 13:02:47 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Eduardo broke up with Paula a couple clips back.
It's gonna be interesting to see whan Eduardo finally stops kidding himself and accepts that he likes Hugo.
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 21, 2011 13:21:33 GMT -5
Well, i wasn't a proper break up, it was more in a Rachel and Ross style we are in a break. It was pretty clear that he wanted to break, but Paula ask him for a time to see how it worked. I'm pretty sure she expects him to come back to her again (Edu's mother doesn't like her at all)
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 21, 2011 16:50:15 GMT -5
The first 5 parts now have English subtitles. Part 8 also has subtitles. VideosAlternativosBR has been working over time to get these subbed, so please thank him.
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 22, 2011 19:14:01 GMT -5
All 8 parts uploaded by VideosAlternativosBR have been subbed in English!
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Post by Izabella on Jun 23, 2011 18:48:44 GMT -5
Hey heard about this soap is it really good? The couple seems lovely. I understand Portuguese but miss some words and expressions.
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Post by Izabella on Jun 23, 2011 22:43:16 GMT -5
I wanted to give it a try today but didn't get home on time. Dunno if these boys showed up in today's ep. It seems there's hope for this couple. Brazil's giving the first steps and the civil union has been made legal, which is awesome for now. Some of my friends are almost sure this soap will be the first to show intimacy between two guys. Do hope so. I won't be here cz I'll have got back home in Buenos Aires, but since kevvoi's being so kind and cool uploading the boys' clips here, I'm glad I won't miss the party. ♥ Thanks a lot ;-)
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 23, 2011 23:44:37 GMT -5
Please remember that all credit for uploading these videos go to the people who uploaded them onto youtube (VideosAlternativosBR and ThalesJulinhoTiTiTi). Special thanks goes to VideosAlternativosBR for translating all of the clips into English and Providing subtitles. All I have done is added a link in my posts to embed the videos in this thread. So thank them, not me!
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Post by Izabella on Jun 24, 2011 16:01:33 GMT -5
Please remember that all credit for uploading these videos go to the people who uploaded them onto youtube (VideosAlternativosBR and ThalesJulinhoTiTiTi). Special thanks goes to VideosAlternativosBR for translating all of the clips into English and Providing subtitles. All I have done is added a link in my posts to embed the videos in this thread. So thank them, not me!I thanked him in youtube |
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 24, 2011 21:07:52 GMT -5
Part 9 provided by VideosAlternativosBR:
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Post by valso on Jun 25, 2011 6:22:28 GMT -5
The boys looks cute and the storyline seems interesting, thank you for posting the clips. I've already thanked VideosAlternativosBR on yt.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 25, 2011 14:00:00 GMT -5
I hope that waiter doesn't end up hurting anybody. He's been shown to be extremely homophobic in several scenes so far, that I've found online. This clip had a "special message" feel to it. But that's OK by me. Showing the audience that homophobia is wrong and shouldn't be tolerated is fine by me. Felt bad for Chicão and his german boyfriend, and Hugo gave quite the speech! On to more pleasant subjects. Hugo looks absolutely breath taking in that red-shirt. Amazing.  |
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 25, 2011 14:51:59 GMT -5
Well the waiter was fired by his own brother and even his daughter didn's seem happy with him. And it seems he had troubles before.
And yes, the clip is "educative" it reminds me of some catalan soaps. I remember one of the writers of el cor de la ciutat saying that in the 90's gay storylines had an educative element, but with Max and Iago they were in another phase, showing a gay couple just like a straight one.
In brazil they are in the first steps, from no gay characters, then stereotypical characters playing for laughs, then barely there characters in supportive roles, and now gay characters with their own storylines.
Brazilian telenovelas are usually very good, well produced and with gorgeous actors and actresses (and some very good ones like Fernanda Montenegro who was nominated to the oscars in 1998). The audiences are very high, so is really good they are doing this, maybe in a couple of years this sound preachy, but right now is very necessary
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Post by belfiori on Jun 25, 2011 16:47:24 GMT -5
Oh hello all. I personally haven't got much patience with these "lessons" on soap operas, but at least they're letting people know about the laws and their rights. The couple is cute, although the guy who plays Eduardo can't act. They could have chosen someone better, but it is good there's a gay storyline in a most-viewed TV show. It's good to know millions of people are watching a love story that begins just like a straight love story, and may this story be able to touch them. I like it so far. But it is just the beginning.
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Post by ari on Jun 25, 2011 17:31:21 GMT -5
I love Eduardo and Hugo and think
the homophobia sl is very timely, good
for the show.
I can't wait to see Sueli's reaction when she
finds out Edu is gay. Will she be as accepting
with her son being gay as she is with everyone
else? Or will she be more like Kleber (homophobic
waiter)?
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 26, 2011 9:26:15 GMT -5
Part 10:
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Both from VideosAlternativosBR
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Post by margie on Jun 26, 2011 9:52:50 GMT -5
Oh hello all. I personally haven't got much patience with these "lessons" on soap operas, but at least they're letting people know about the laws and their rights. The couple is cute, although the guy who plays Eduardo can't act. They could have chosen someone better, but it is good there's a gay storyline in a most-viewed TV show. It's good to know millions of people are watching a love story that begins just like a straight love story, and may this story be able to touch them. I like it so far. But it is just the beginning. I think the reason for the lessons is the self imposed kissing ban of the network and the problem of violence against gays that still exists in Brazil and South America. I disagree that Rodrigo Andrade (who plays Edu) is a bad actor, although he does have that deer in headlight look down pat. I think he is also known for being a singer in Brazil. |
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Post by belfiori on Jun 26, 2011 11:36:15 GMT -5
And violence against gays does not exist anymore in the US? It does, as far as I know. Am I wrong?
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Tihkon, I'm not sure exactly what IS in the Argentine waters, but I'm thankful that it inspired the writing and overall performances of Cristian and Ezequel as Manuel and Lalo from 2010's "Botineras". It would have been a crime against all things that inspire telenovelas if that storyline couldn't have been fully written and portrayed as it was. Those two actors were absolutely breathtaking together as a "one true pairing" couple. Accidential deaths, affairs, accusations of doping, kidnapping and physical attacks couldn't keep them apart in the end. 
