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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 5:09:22 GMT -5
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Post by lolaruns on Nov 16, 2011 5:21:32 GMT -5
I just think that back when Christian did weird stuff (like sleeping with Theresa) we were told over and over that we were supposed to read between the lines, that he was secretly suffering inside, that he was having deep, meaningful emotions even if we didn't see them that clearly etc.
But shouldn't the same go for Olli? Like running off to Mallorca after seeing C/T or now sleeping with Raph.
Wouldn't logic dictate that he's having the same kind of complex secret emotions/running away from hurt that Christian had back then? And with him plenty is spelled out too, like back then approaching Raph after getting that phone call or here telling Raph he loves C at the club, talking about hurt etc.
Isn't it the same thing in blue? If it is ok when C did it, why shouldn't the same amount of deep and meaningful character be attributed to O?
Personally, I didn't care much for when C did it, but my main problem was that it seemed inconsistent to me with what we were supposed to see as Christian's feelings and goals. Compared to Christian back then Olli to me seems to have a stronger thread of also wanting to remove himself from Christian (even if he also has a thread that pulls him back).
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Post by bel7003 on Nov 16, 2011 5:36:21 GMT -5
The way I see things, both characters have been suffering since the beginning of this s/l. They are different "people" and they have different ways of showing their emotions and of dealing with their problems. They both made mistakes, they both were unfair to one anothe at some point in the story. But I could always tell they still loved each other.
Now, nothing has changed. Everything is still the same: the mistakes, the misundestandings, the hurt pride, the fear and the love.
I hated when people insulted Chistian and blamed him for everything; and I hate it that people are doing the same to Olli. I trully feel they are BOTH to blame for their current situation, but neither of them deserves to be mistreated, because they are in pain. And when people are in pain (wether physical or emotional) they act irrationally and sometimes do things that only worsen their situation.
Like I said more than once, I love both characters and I always try to understand their actions so I can keep on loving them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to want them together again and this whole thing would lose its purpose.
I hated Christian/Theresa and I hate Olli/Rafa, but what I hate the most are insults to the characters. (I hope I'm not offending anyone with my words.)
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Post by joanna on Nov 16, 2011 5:49:37 GMT -5
And now Olli is also the R word (which is a completely offensive word btw). Yes, I was uncomfortable with the use of that word too....so, folks....
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Post by Trish on Nov 16, 2011 8:40:36 GMT -5
The way I see things, both characters have been suffering since the beginning of this s/l. They are different "people" and they have different ways of showing their emotions and of dealing with their problems. They both made mistakes, they both were unfair to one anothe at some point in the story. But I could always tell they still loved each other. Now, nothing has changed. Everything is still the same: the mistakes, the misundestandings, the hurt pride, the fear and the love. I hated when people insulted Chistian and blamed him for everything; and I hate it that people are doing the same to Olli. I trully feel they are BOTH to blame for their current situation, but neither of them deserves to be mistreated, because they are in pain. And when people are in pain (wether physical or emotional) they act irrationally and sometimes do things that only worsen their situation. Like I said more than once, I love both characters and I always try to understand their actions so I can keep on loving them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to want them together again and this whole thing would lose its purpose. I hated Christian/Theresa and I hate Olli/Rafa, but what I hate the most are insults to the characters. (I hope I'm not offending anyone with my words.) I'm with you Bel. I try and see both sides. I defended Chris because you was obvious that he didn't want to be with T. It is obvious that Olli is running away from Chris. And to that degree, I disagree with LadyA. Like people refused to go along with Christian's actions and thought that he should never have Olli back for sleeping with a woman, which was Olli's greatest fear. There are people that now feel ths same way about Olli's actions. Maybe they aren't to the point of not thinking that Chris should forgive Olli, but they think that his actions are too quick. To that degree. Bringing up how Chris was defended, while Olli is now being attacked is just starting the same arguments in reverse. Let's just hope that like Chris. Olli will see the error of his was and that using a young stud for comfort, won't fill the void that he feels Chris has left. Anymore than T filled the one Chirs had when he thought that Olli didn't love him. I will add that Chris didn't know that Olli knew about T. Olli does know that Chris is aware of R being in town and that he wants to be with him. So him getting to gether with R is more in your face than Twas.
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Post by Davian on Nov 16, 2011 8:54:59 GMT -5
The way I see things, both characters have been suffering since the beginning of this s/l. They are different "people" and they have different ways of showing their emotions and of dealing with their problems. They both made mistakes, they both were unfair to one anothe at some point in the story. But I could always tell they still loved each other. Now, nothing has changed. Everything is still the same: the mistakes, the misundestandings, the hurt pride, the fear and the love. I hated when people insulted Chistian and blamed him for everything; and I hate it that people are doing the same to Olli. I trully feel they are BOTH to blame for their current situation, but neither of them deserves to be mistreated, because they are in pain. And when people are in pain (wether physical or emotional) they act irrationally and sometimes do things that only worsen their situation. Like I said more than once, I love both characters and I always try to understand their actions so I can keep on loving them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to want them together again and this whole thing would lose its purpose. I hated Christian/Theresa and I hate Olli/Rafa, but what I hate the most are insults to the characters. (I hope I'm not offending anyone with my words.)
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Post by philos on Nov 16, 2011 13:00:45 GMT -5
Christian, you are a hypocrite!!! Oh please.It took Christian a couple of months before he did something with T and that is after their breakup and after he was entertaining Olli's neurotic need to reject him constantly
Olli on the other hand acted like a total retard.One minute kissing Christian and then almost immediately making out with Rafa.
Can we have a shrink for table 4 please?Book him under the name Sabel my dear you have confirmed me my opinion of you. Bye, hopefully.
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Post by philos on Nov 16, 2011 13:03:01 GMT -5
The way I see things, both characters have been suffering since the beginning of this s/l. They are different "people" and they have different ways of showing their emotions and of dealing with their problems. They both made mistakes, they both were unfair to one anothe at some point in the story. But I could always tell they still loved each other. Now, nothing has changed. Everything is still the same: the mistakes, the misundestandings, the hurt pride, the fear and the love. I hated when people insulted Chistian and blamed him for everything; and I hate it that people are doing the same to Olli. I trully feel they are BOTH to blame for their current situation, but neither of them deserves to be mistreated, because they are in pain. And when people are in pain (wether physical or emotional) they act irrationally and sometimes do things that only worsen their situation. Like I said more than once, I love both characters and I always try to understand their actions so I can keep on loving them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to want them together again and this whole thing would lose its purpose. I hated Christian/Theresa and I hate Olli/Rafa, but what I hate the most are insults to the characters. (I hope I'm not offending anyone with my words.) Bel, my soulmate for Chrolli... fortunately you are here, or I could espress the same opinion in a more violent way...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 13:12:07 GMT -5
I love Ansgar's dreams
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Post by MercuryMay on Nov 16, 2011 13:24:49 GMT -5
I love Ansgar's dreams It was hilarious!!! ;D
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Post by chrollifan211 on Nov 16, 2011 13:26:02 GMT -5
was christian on?
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Post by MercuryMay on Nov 16, 2011 13:29:08 GMT -5
No, no Christian and/or Olli today.
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Post by Trish on Nov 16, 2011 13:34:22 GMT -5
I love Ansgar's dreams It was hilarious!!! ;D I know. I was falling asleep watching the show and then that started. It was so funny. Loved Hagen on the toy horse. Elizabeth in the mini. The girls got nice legs. Then to top it all of Justus coming in as Igor. Too funny.
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Post by angelarose on Nov 16, 2011 14:13:06 GMT -5
The way I see things, both characters have been suffering since the beginning of this s/l. They are different "people" and they have different ways of showing their emotions and of dealing with their problems. They both made mistakes, they both were unfair to one anothe at some point in the story. But I could always tell they still loved each other. Now, nothing has changed. Everything is still the same: the mistakes, the misundestandings, the hurt pride, the fear and the love. I hated when people insulted Chistian and blamed him for everything; and I hate it that people are doing the same to Olli. I trully feel they are BOTH to blame for their current situation, but neither of them deserves to be mistreated, because they are in pain. And when people are in pain (wether physical or emotional) they act irrationally and sometimes do things that only worsen their situation. Like I said more than once, I love both characters and I always try to understand their actions so I can keep on loving them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to want them together again and this whole thing would lose its purpose. I hated Christian/Theresa and I hate Olli/Rafa, but what I hate the most are insults to the characters. (I hope I'm not offending anyone with my words.) Thanks, bel, I'm with you on this as well. I have always tried to see both of their points of view and understand the actions of both because, like you, I love them both and I don't want this whole thing to lose it's meaning for me by my becoming disenchanted with one of them. And ultimately, regardless of the stupid, irrational, or disastrous ways they choose to deal with their respective pain, the fact remains that they love one another and nothing will change that.
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Post by jdecologne on Nov 16, 2011 14:35:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I loved that dream sequence too, the rest was more or less boring.
Concerning the Chrolli discussion I just want to say that it is always easier to judge from the outside. All those criticising the boys, look at yourselves. Have you never acted irrationally or dead wrong in a partnership? I definitely have. On the other side, the ones really to blame are the writers, who never know, when there is enough drama and diversions. So I just feel sorry for Olli and Christian that they have to dwell in misunderstandings for so long. Before I forget, I thought that Daniel Sellier (Ricardo) did a good job today, the rest was quite boring.
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Post by bel7003 on Nov 16, 2011 16:22:10 GMT -5
I loved Ansgar's dream, as well. I was fast forwarding through the whole episode when suddenly I saw that. ;D ;D Elisabeth looked good! Very funny. Can someone expalin how that came about? And I also loved Ricardo watering the garden and getting all wet in a fight with the water hose. He lost. ;D
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Post by Trish on Nov 16, 2011 16:41:51 GMT -5
I think that things were going according to his plan with trapping Helena and Ludwig with their little smuggling deal. He was so pleased with Nico as she talked to Helena, who will do anything if she thinks that Nico has forgiven her.
I agree that Helena/Ludwig should pay for what they did, but Ansgar shouldn't use Nico to do his dirty work.
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Post by sonia38 on Nov 16, 2011 19:30:37 GMT -5
Ansgar is the man and what a vivid imagination has. Elizabeth with her skinny bird legs stepping on Helena had me rolling and Justus just reminded me of rendfield minus the flies.
Julia having sex with Ricardo and looking sick like all she wants to is to her brother I bet she was wishing it was Jan making love to her instead. I wish the two of them would just do it already and get this out of their system. Whomever that woman is in Julia and Ricardo's home she always has her tatas in full view so that hungry Ricardo can see them, how long before Ricardo is tapping that.
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Post by lolaruns on Nov 17, 2011 3:25:48 GMT -5
The woman is like their maid. Julia's mom got the old maid fired for stealing and hired the breasty maid to seduce Ricardo, because Ricardo is always on her (Julia's mom's) case. Basically she wants to distract Ricardo and prove that he isn't perfect either.
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Post by katemonster on Nov 17, 2011 4:48:27 GMT -5
Ansgar is the man and what a vivid imagination has. Elizabeth with her skinny bird legs stepping on Helena had me rolling and Justus just reminded me of rendfield minus the flies. Julia having sex with Ricardo and looking sick like all she wants to is to her brother I bet she was wishing it was Jan making love to her instead. I wish the two of them would just do it already and get this out of their system. Whomever that woman is in Julia and Ricardo's home she always has her tatas in full view so that hungry Ricardo can see them, how long before Ricardo is tapping that. I loved Ansgar's fantasy too...I just adore Tristan I wish he and Marlena were part of the NL/Chrolli story more often so they'd get subbed. Justus is too funny I wish he'd get kicked out by his wife/boyfriend or whatever he has and have to move in with his niece for a while so we could get a back story for him. Jan and Julia surely have to die if they consumate their love that's how soaps work, they can be happy with their illicit love but not for long ;P
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Post by Trish on Nov 17, 2011 16:53:10 GMT -5
This isn't fair I go apoiler free and there is absolutely nothing to talk about in the show. I could care less what Olli is doing with his boy toy, but where is Christian.
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Post by silviam11 on Nov 17, 2011 16:58:11 GMT -5
This isn't fair I go apoiler free and there is absolutely nothing to talk about in the show. I could care less what Olli is doing with his boy toy, but where is Christian. Yes, dear! You're right. If you depend only on commenting about the show, you won't have any interesting stuff to discuss. Where is Christian? I'd love to know that, too
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Post by Trish on Nov 17, 2011 17:06:08 GMT -5
I guess he's still locked up in his apartment. Crying his eyes out.
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Post by amk on Nov 17, 2011 17:30:44 GMT -5
I think the only scenes where we can expect Christian is a support for Andi and Daniel. and well, nothing till now ... maybe tomorrow
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Post by teachgirl on Nov 17, 2011 17:45:37 GMT -5
Has Christian even met Daniel yet, or has that just magically happened offscreen?
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