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Post by angel on Sept 13, 2014 13:19:37 GMT -5
YES. Some of those folks also have to take some of the blame for why they feel so used. Davis has been involved with the project from the very beginning. He created the characters. He created the scenes. He created the dialogues between all of these characters. He was privy to the casting of all these actors. He's seen these actors portray these characters for years now. If he really and truly wanted a pairing (any pairing for that matter) to happen, he would have wrote it all ready. He said what he felt he needed to say, along with all of the other actors for seasons now to keep folks watching: including the wronged Sterek fan base. After all this time, it never dawned on anyone to say to themselves out loud that: "They might just be telling us what we want to hear?" I find this sort of thinking a little bit childish or outlandish. Because for example A restaurant (MTV) have on the menu apple pie with walnuts, but when you order the apple pie with walnuts, there are no nuts in it, not even hazelnuts, so you complain about it, the manager of the reastaurant apologizes and praises improvement. After a few weeks (next season) you order again the apple pie with walnuts, but again no nuts. The cook (Davis) make the pie with no nuts, although that the nuts stays on the menu and were even written by himself at the front door as special delicacy. So what will you do next? Do you realy blame your self because you trust the menu card? Do you order, pay the next time the apple pie, because you have hope for the nuts, or had your hope died for the nuts, or to you eat the next time in an other restaurant? So the consequence are the cook is fired, because the management dont trust the cook again, because the restaurnat lost paying guests. Ok, my example lags a little bit. Also its sounds from you like Davis is an artist, but Davis doesnt make Art, if he thinks he makes art, than he most live with the consequence that he dies poor. He wrote this show not for himself, he has customers, he write for them, they pay him in the long run, if they like what they see. And if the trust once is destroyed, than it goes only a very, very hard and stony way back.
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Post by cheerios on Sept 14, 2014 16:40:22 GMT -5
I think people are tired of being toyed with. I have read people being angry over the lack of Lydia this season, when this season was apparently suppose to be very Lydia centered. And the lack of other couples, while others has been pushed front and center.
The show was suppose to be around Scott the Teen Wolf. But I don't think they were prepared for how quickly and strongly that certain aspects of the show like Sterek won over people. Or how Dylan O'Brien has become the shining drawl for people. He's the heart of the show and people just adore him from what I have seen of other boards and sites. I'm not saying the others actors are bad compared to Dylan, but I have seen that many people list him as their main reason for watching.
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Post by angel on Sept 15, 2014 8:48:55 GMT -5
I think people are tired of being toyed with. I have read people being angry over the lack of Lydia this season, when this season was apparently suppose to be very Lydia centered. And the lack of other couples, while others has been pushed front and center. The show was suppose to be around Scott the Teen Wolf. But I don't think they were prepared for how quickly and strongly that certain aspects of the show like Sterek won over people. Or how Dylan O'Brien has become the shining drawl for people. He's the heart of the show and people just adore him from what I have seen of other boards and sites. I'm not saying the others actors are bad compared to Dylan, but I have seen that many people list him as their main reason for watching. Its like "Sex and the City": For the writers was the mainperson Carrie, but for the audience it was quickly clear it was Samantha. But instead, the writers from Teen Wolf, they accepted this decision, that the audience choose an other role and give her more screen time and more stories. (What became behind the camera a little catfight, between the actresses of Samantha and Carrie, when SarahJessicaParker finds that out, that she is no more the middle of the show, or she must share that role with Kim Catrell.) Its like someone said, you cant make every fan wishes come true, but you cant ignore your audience completly, you must fly with them, when you want to stay on air and on the payroll. And also you should not lie by the promotion, lies are allways backfires in the long run. Maybe for a Movie its OK, there is no long run, but for a series its suicide.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 8:52:54 GMT -5
YES. Some of those folks also have to take some of the blame for why they feel so used. Davis has been involved with the project from the very beginning. He created the characters. He created the scenes. He created the dialogues between all of these characters. He was privy to the casting of all these actors. He's seen these actors portray these characters for years now. If he really and truly wanted a pairing (any pairing for that matter) to happen, he would have wrote it all ready. He said what he felt he needed to say, along with all of the other actors for seasons now to keep folks watching: including the wronged Sterek fan base. After all this time, it never dawned on anyone to say to themselves out loud that: "They might just be telling us what we want to hear?" Show runners actually saying that something specific is going to happen is bound to create problems when it does not end up happening. From what I get that's what happened here? So it's probably a bit different than just the kind of general teasing shows have been doing on screen since forever, but yeah, I can still see how after time, ensuing viewer outrage and refusal to shoulder some responsibility when all signs point to 'ain't happening' for a long while don't hold much water anymore. I just want to clarify that while i am Sterek fan, i knew from the very beginning, that this pairing would NEVER happen onscreen. Reasonable way of thinking apparently.
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Post by cheerios on Sept 15, 2014 12:34:11 GMT -5
I think people are tired of being toyed with. I have read people being angry over the lack of Lydia this season, when this season was apparently suppose to be very Lydia centered. And the lack of other couples, while others has been pushed front and center. The show was suppose to be around Scott the Teen Wolf. But I don't think they were prepared for how quickly and strongly that certain aspects of the show like Sterek won over people. Or how Dylan O'Brien has become the shining drawl for people. He's the heart of the show and people just adore him from what I have seen of other boards and sites. I'm not saying the others actors are bad compared to Dylan, but I have seen that many people list him as their main reason for watching. Its like "Sex and the City": For the writers was the mainperson Carrie, but for the audience it was quickly clear it was Samantha. But instead, the writers from Teen Wolf, they accepted this decision, that the audience choose an other role and give her more screen time and more stories. (What became behind the camera a little catfight, between the actresses of Samantha and Carrie, when SarahJessicaParker finds that out, that she is no more the middle of the show, or she must share that role with Kim Catrell.) Its like someone said, you cant make every fan wishes come true, but you cant ignore your audience completly, you must fly with them, when you want to stay on air and on the payroll. And also you should not lie by the promotion, lies are allways backfires in the long run. Maybe for a Movie its OK, there is no long run, but for a series its suicide. It's the old saying, don't bite the hand that feeds you. The fans of a series will put up with so much crap before they switch the channel to something else. Which will lead to the cancel and ending of a show. People don't like being toyed with, especially when they have invested a lot of their time and energy into watching and loving something.
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Post by dmagiclight on Sept 15, 2014 14:10:53 GMT -5
I found this on the Backlot It seemed interesting to me Jeff Davis is building Scott and Stiles 2.0 out of Liam and Mason for when Tyler and Dylan inevitably leave, and hey, the new Stiles is gay, so he’s central. There’s potential.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 15:27:09 GMT -5
I found this on the Backlot It seemed interesting to me Jeff Davis is building Scott and Stiles 2.0 out of Liam and Mason for when Tyler and Dylan inevitably leave, and hey, the new Stiles is gay, so he’s central. There’s potential. If Tyler and Dylan both leave no one will watch anyway.
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Post by moonstruck-me on Sept 16, 2014 8:33:01 GMT -5
I found this on the Backlot It seemed interesting to me Jeff Davis is building Scott and Stiles 2.0 out of Liam and Mason for when Tyler and Dylan inevitably leave, and hey, the new Stiles is gay, so he’s central. There’s potential. No, there isn't. If (when) Dylan leaves TW, the show is pretty much over. Out of all the actors on the show, he has the biggest following. The new characters are only "great" because of the older cast. They are not "great" characters on their own.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 16, 2014 9:15:35 GMT -5
And that was pure speculation, Liam and Mason are more Jackson and Danny 2.0 than anything else
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Post by justinate on Sept 16, 2014 9:49:49 GMT -5
I still cannot get over how much publicity this show gets from the gay press. Why? There's barely any gay representation in it, and they don't even deliver the eye candy like they used to in previous seasons. The network should take a hint from the declining ratings. The show has moved very far from what made it popular in the first place.
I didn't expect Sterek to become a reality just because fans wanted it. But I do think there was a criminally missed opportunity not to make Stiles bisexual. After all, the character's sexuality was undefined and it was a golden opportunity to have a primary protagonist on a sci-fi show who belongs to the LGBT spectrum (especially the under-represented B segment). I don't think anyone in the show's target audience or at the higher levels of the network would have disapproved of this direction. It's not like Jeff Davis is an assistant scriptwriter for a show targeted at bible-thumping grandmas that airs on Fox. He has a lot of influence to shape the direction of the show and its characters with the liberal MTV network's blessing and certainly the support of its young, accepting demographic.
Unfortunately, I feel that Jeff got annoyed at being called out by fans so he now intentionally downplays those aspects which they enjoyed in order to spite them. Now even wallpaper Danny has gone missing. "In exchange" we get the replay of Jackson/Danny with Liam/Mason, except Mason is even more peripheral than Danny.
And don't get me started on that Advocate interview. Maybe the cast needed to toe the party line in order to keep their jobs (especially if their boss is that vindictive), but did they have to go so over-the-top with effusive praise for the show's (non-existent) gay representation? The Advocate also deserves to be chewed out for even interviewing about something that doesn't exist, unless they were planning to challenge the lack of representation, but instead they lapped up the lies and implicitly sanctioned it by reporting it positively. Spreading this scam further undermines their very title of gay advocacy. I'm glad that none of the commentators appeared to be snowed.
Given who runs this show, which network it airs on, and which demographic it seeks, I nominate Teen Wolf for "most shameful" show of the year when it comes to gay representation. Not that we were short of nominees, but none of the others managed to score a trifecta like TW. I don't know who I'm angrier with - them or myself, for being so gullible.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 18, 2014 15:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by moonstruck-me on Sept 19, 2014 12:54:20 GMT -5
A much better article and I really liked the top comment in the comment section by Sparky Sparkindarkness:
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Post by ferdavid on Dec 21, 2014 14:40:36 GMT -5
Brett will be in the fifth season and its said, that he and mason will maybe get involved..........maybe they are getting some (love-)relationship.......i would love them to get together
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Post by jjose712 on Dec 21, 2014 15:10:57 GMT -5
Brett will be in the fifth season and its said, that he and mason will maybe get involved..........maybe they are getting some (love-)relationship.......i would love them to get together Probably, i think Keahu is back on the show (there are a lot of pictures of him with other cast members), i know Davis promised he'd be back but everybody know his promises are not that reliable. TW was a lot of people's guilty pleasure, but they didn't promoted the show the right way and the backlash last season was big, and now the ratings are not so good, so it's time to gain the viewers back. So at least i expect less queerbaiting this season (i doubt gay press will be so eager to promote the show right now, unless Davis deliver something interesting)
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Post by ferdavid on Dec 21, 2014 15:31:06 GMT -5
he is back?? wow, that WOULD be great.......^^ i'm so looking forward to the fifth season, and i can't wait, what stories will be told, which character isn't coming back and which character will return............ if danny will be back, is he gonna have a lovestory with mason, or a story for his own and mason will be with brett or neither of these two? and will brett be / turn gay or will he have another love interest (if he's gonna get one).....i'm so curous. such a pitty, we have to wait 'til june/july, when the fifth season will start ..its tooooo long
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Post by dmagiclight on Dec 21, 2014 16:41:38 GMT -5
Even If Danny and Mascon are back on the show I would not get any hopes up about any decent story line Jeff Davis has had 4 seasons to,develop his gay characters and has lied and failed at every turn.he could have given an LGBT character A spot in the core group He has taken some out and replaced them.always with A straight character being An out gay man I would think he would but 4 seasons As proved him to be not trust worthy I will not be watching the up coming season
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Post by ferdavid on Feb 18, 2015 13:41:17 GMT -5
i'm so excited about the fifth season, which started filming this month.........cody christian, aria's brother mike from pll, is joining the cast for the fifth season and it's said, that liams "frenemie" brett will be there too. let's hope, mason will get a lovestory, cause liam will in the fifth season. so it would be nice, if mason will get any too
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Post by dmagiclight on Feb 19, 2015 16:20:38 GMT -5
I would not hold your breath
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 23, 2015 13:31:39 GMT -5
I would not hold your breath Well, at least this time we won't get the annoying queerbaiting interviews. That's an improvement
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Post by angel on Feb 25, 2015 3:11:24 GMT -5
I would not hold your breath Well, at least this time we won't get the annoying queerbaiting interviews. That's an improvement I would not say that for sure, we have not summer yet, till then its a lot of time. Only after June we will be sure about it.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 25, 2015 6:48:08 GMT -5
Yes, but Jeff is not stupid, he got a clear message. I remember the comments on the Advocate article and there were almost all negative.
He is doing what other shows did but he put it front and center. And of course the fact he is gay only adds salt to the injury.
I think before doing the whole round of interviews on gay media the show needs to do something with its gay characters or nobody will buy it (in fact it could affect negatively).
The general impression is Jeff only wanted the gay press for promo, when the show was big he totally straight wash the show, and when the ratings went down he wanted the old fans again (because that's the only reason for an article so absurd like what it was on the Advocate).
I think people is more than tired of queerbaiting. Gay people can enjoy a show without gay characters, but being teased to only be dissapointed is a big no for a lot of people
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Post by ferdavid on Feb 26, 2015 14:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by dmagiclight on Feb 26, 2015 18:19:05 GMT -5
I will have to wait and see i really have no Faith In the show any more considering all the queer baiting over the last 4 seasons I will give this show this final season but If they disappoint again then I will not watch any more
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Post by angel on Feb 28, 2015 12:21:40 GMT -5
Yes, but Jeff is not stupid, he got a clear message. I remember the comments on the Advocate article and there were almost all negative. Honestly I think Jeff is not really a brainy to say it political correct.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 28, 2015 15:24:50 GMT -5
Yes, but Jeff is not stupid, he got a clear message. I remember the comments on the Advocate article and there were almost all negative. Honestly I think Jeff is not really a brainy to say it political correct. Yes, but he is not stupid. That article was an infocommercial about how great TW was on gay issues and the response was very negative. After that he got the "you didn't see the last of Danny". What really annoys me is he is a gay man and doesn't mind to write token gay characters. I could understnad that if the audience of the show was pretty homophobic or something like that, but he has an audience that root for two straight characters being a couple, so come on. You have a gay character people love, you have it from the very beginning of the show, and season after season you are unable to integrate him into the main characters storyline, and that's all kinds of pathetic. Even more, his only purpose was being a secondary bad guy boyfriend, and once this character dissapear you make your gay character dissapear because he doesn't have any purpose. Frankly, i think if the show had a prominent gay couple people have forgotten Sterek long time ago (apart of fan fiction), but he didn't put a gay character front and center and continue to give clues of Styles bisexuality (only to end in Supernatural fashion saying that was only in viewer's mind). Queerbaiting seem to be a tendency in this kind of shows, but we are not in 1995 and people are tired of being fooled, specially because Jeff (and that's a difference with Supernatural, and Supernatural didn't really deal well with queerbaiting either) has a tendency to promise a lot of things and never deliver
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