Trish
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 8:55:10 GMT -5
I completely agree with you silviam11. It would be so nice if they would talk to each other the way they talk to their "firends' Lack of communication is a big part of their problems.
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Post by kira on Sept 30, 2011 9:02:10 GMT -5
In yesterday episode, Olli told Jessica that he's pass the night she had with Christian and excused her of being responsible for their break up. He said that what (is supposed to) have happened between her and Christian was just the last straw, since things hadn't been ok long before that. However, he uses every opportunity he has to throw (up!) on Christian's face that his night with Jessica was really the big issue, as if all their problems have emerged from that night. It would be interesting if Olli had the same kind of conversation he had with J, with Christian! I don't think Christian is so smart to read between the lines of what is in Olli's mind and infere that Jessica was not the only cause of all the mess. Having in mind that it is almost impossible for Olli to be over the night with Jessica issue, Christian gives up. He can't give Olli something he doesn't have. It is not possible to get back in time and undo what he's supposed to have had with Jessica, so it's no use fighting anymore. He had told Olli the day he left that he would wait and fight for Olli, but only if it meant something to him. As Olli gives him the impression that Jessica is still the biggest deal, what else can he do? If Christian knew that his personality and his behavior in general were an important part in the break up, he could try to change. But Olli has never told him so. The message Olli passes is "You slept with Jessica and I can't foorgive you for that, period". Olli knows it's more than that, and so do we, but Christian has no crystal ball and doesn't watch VL. I just think that the only way they have to get through this crises is communication. Maybe this divorse talk can bring them some oportunities to talk a bit more and understand each other. I don't think it's fair from Olli to completely excuse Jessica and still rub her in Christian's face all the time. I agree with this. Olli´s behaviour regarding Jessica is not logical at all. He tells Christian he can´t stop thinking about his night with Jessica everytime he sees him. Yet at the same time he can live with Jessica, see her every day and play her BFF. IMO that´s not logical at all. Even if he has "forgiven" Jessica and doesn´t hate her, seeing her every day should also make him think about her night with Christian all the time and make him feel bad. I don´t like the INCEST poster either. Jo and Jana are such beautiful people. I don´t get why they had to deform them like that. The make up, the facial expressions, the postures....I´m sorry but I wouldn´t want to buy this perfume, if I saw this ad.
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Post by phoenix-feather on Sept 30, 2011 9:08:53 GMT -5
they should've used the picture of that cardboard cut-out they have in their living room for ages or may be one from the shoot they had on the beach in Majorca, where Olli was shirtless people would definitely be buying it then!
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Post by teachgirl on Sept 30, 2011 9:09:46 GMT -5
I agree that Christian's character changed during the Lilly storyline, but the roots of this crisis, I think, go back much further than that. Right up to Olli's collapse and recovery, one defining aspect of their relationship was their complete openness with each other, especially Christian's openness with Olli, probably the first time in his life that he had been completely open with anyone. After that, the defining issue became their inability to communicate clearly. At first, they were portrayed as able to overcome it. I'm thinking here of that wonderful scene on in the booth at NL (right before the strawberry scene) where they apologize to each other, acknowledge fault, Christian shows Olli the new menu, etc. They both acted so maturely there. After that, I can't think of a point where, even in apologies, issues weren't just brushed under the rug.
I would like to see one or the other having a flasback not to an iconic moment like the boxing ring kiss, but to that booth scene, or to the two of them talking on the bed -- to a scene of true communication. I know soaps prefer grand gestures, but this couple was originally defined by small gestures, too.
And I agree that the Incest poster is weird and creepy. Is that what they think high fashion photography looks like?
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Post by kira on Sept 30, 2011 9:12:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the cardboard cut-out looks quite nice. It would freak me out though to have a large than life cardboard figure of myself in my living room where I´m making out with the person my partner cheated on me with. ;D
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Post by phoenix-feather on Sept 30, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the cardboard cut-out looks quite nice. It would freak me out though to have a large than life cardboard figure of myself in my living room where I´m making out with the person my partner cheated on me with. ;D Me too ;D well, its VL, the land dwelling everything but logic....
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 9:55:10 GMT -5
I like the poster too, but if they used it, what would have been the point of going t Majorca.
The beach scenes seemed weird too. They weren't getting what Tanja wanted, but I can't imagine this is what she wanted either. How does this poster show incest? I don't see it.
I wouldn't by the perfume eiither.
Edit: I took a closer look and He looks angry that she's touching him. While she's got her eyes closed. It's really a strange pic. I wonder if VL did any focus groups to see how people felt, because this pic just makes me scratch my head.
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Post by amk on Sept 30, 2011 13:02:50 GMT -5
just one little note to todays episode - such a beautiful and adorable and a little sad Olli - even in that green hat yeah , and Ansgar is boss now - great !!!
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Post by joanna on Sept 30, 2011 13:35:45 GMT -5
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Post by blaykee on Sept 30, 2011 13:40:00 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna (and lugia in advance) Dang that hat, I was going to say how much I loved Olli's outfit. I'm a sucker for Olli in red *photoshops the hat out*
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 13:48:18 GMT -5
I kind of like the hat.
Thanks Joanna and lugia in advance for the caps and the video.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 30, 2011 13:58:00 GMT -5
I kind of like the hat. Thanks Joanna and lugia in advance for the caps and the video. Oh I like the hat, I'm partial to plaids, just not with the red. THen again it's supposed to be a different era.
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 14:01:22 GMT -5
I kind of like the hat. Thanks Joanna and lugia in advance for the caps and the video. Oh I like the hat, I'm partial to plaids, just not with the red. THen again it's supposed to be a different era. There's red in the hat. So I think it goes fine. The pants are questionable I think it's the same ones he had on the previous day. They should have been tan like the hat.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 30, 2011 14:06:37 GMT -5
Oh I like the hat, I'm partial to plaids, just not with the red. Then again it's supposed to be a different era. There's red in the hat. So I think it goes fine. The pants are questionable I think it's the same ones he had on the previous day. They should have been tan like the hat. *squints* I see it now!! Ok he gets an A- (agree about the pants) Are those bees on his shirt?
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Post by joanna on Sept 30, 2011 14:07:02 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna and lugia in advance for the caps and the video. I'm doing the actual video (and all those uploaded in MM's absence) myself, twatts. It's 'just' the accompanying dialogue for today's Olli scenes that Lugia (thanks, Lugia) has done.
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Post by teachgirl on Sept 30, 2011 14:14:24 GMT -5
Note to Kim and Jessica: Girls, it's obvious that you never attended an American high school prom. Otherwise you would know that before picking a dress, you must scope out what all your friends (and frenemies) will be wearing to avoid just this situation. Epic fail, girls!
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 14:14:59 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna and lugia in advance for the caps and the video. I'm doing the actual video (and all those uploaded in MM's absence) myself, twatts. It's 'just' the accompanying dialogue for today's Olli scenes that Lugia (thanks, Lugia) has done. Oh I know. Just poor wording on my thank you. Sorry.
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Post by mitsaso on Sept 30, 2011 14:20:46 GMT -5
Best things about the divorce episode: 1) Olivia's smile in the boxing kiss flashback... god I miss her! 2) Elisabeth's LOL cameo, just to rub salt in the wound... LOL RANDOM Other than that the episode wasn't heartbreaking at all... because everything about it screamed OTP! 1. Both Olli and Christian not actively wanting the divorce, but going through with it because they think the other one wants it. 2. Parallel of them crying... it also highlighted how different they are at that respect... Jo can cry at the drop of the hat and he does the "stoic crier" thing well. Thore on the other hand seems less prone to do it, but boy, once he does it it's intense! Salty rivers everywhere! 3. WTF with Olli's reasoning to Jessica? All we ever here about is "you banged Jessica this" and "you banged Jessica that" and now he admits that was never the actual problem? I hope he just came up with that breakthrough and that Christian will find out somehow, because the general "we wanted different things" never really came up before (although it was hinted at during the Lily SL). Jessica totally had an "uh-oh" face when her role in the divorce came up. It was funny, and it can be open to several different interpretations
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Post by kristen on Sept 30, 2011 15:17:40 GMT -5
There's red in the hat. So I think it goes fine. The pants are questionable I think it's the same ones he had on the previous day. They should have been tan like the hat. *squints* I see it now!! Ok he gets an A- (agree about the pants) Are those bees on his shirt? I believe that is a woman kneeling in a bathing suit on Olli's shirt. She is posed like a pin up girl, which is fitting for the 1920's flapper party theme.
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Post by Trish on Sept 30, 2011 15:25:05 GMT -5
*squints* I see it now!! Ok he gets an A- (agree about the pants) Are those bees on his shirt? I believe that is a woman kneeling in a bathing suit on Olli's shirt. She is posed like a pin up girl, which is fitting for the 1920's flapper party theme. You're right.
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Post by blaykee on Sept 30, 2011 15:53:40 GMT -5
*squints* I see it now!! Ok he gets an A- (agree about the pants) Are those bees on his shirt? I believe that is a woman kneeling in a bathing suit on Olli's shirt. She is posed like a pin up girl, which is fitting for the 1920's flapper party theme. well then that totally ups his outfit points! = A (finally the costumers got it right) Thanks! Mitsaso- totally agree about OTP plus all their friends ship them as well. and LOL at Elisabeth, if I didn't come here I would have no idea who she was. I remember some random lady looking on when Olli and Christian kissed at the castle (twice) and I had no idea who she was (i still don't)
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Post by joanna on Sept 30, 2011 16:10:22 GMT -5
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Post by silviam11 on Sept 30, 2011 16:17:50 GMT -5
Thank you, Joanna! And thanks to Lugia, too!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 16:19:27 GMT -5
Thanks Joanna for the nice caps and thanks Joanna and Lugia for the video !
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Post by joanna on Sept 30, 2011 16:25:45 GMT -5
and thanks Joanna and Lugia for the video ! Lugia didn't help with the vid; I did that myself (as I will for all upcoming vids). Lugia sent me the accompanying dialogue.x
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