VL 29 Aug-2 Sep 2011 ep chat (+ caps/vids)

[sonia38]

I just don't get Christian, he does not want a divorce but he is living the life of a single man with a jump-off chick on the side yet he want to put Olli's mind at ease that he does not want a divorce, sometimes he really is "special". Olli does not want a divorce either, neither of them do yet they are not doing anything to rectify their bad situation.

Jessica sure knows how to get what she wants and Andi is sorely but surely trying to forger Helena.

[bkoz]

Thanks for the vid and translations MM.

I thought Helena looked very pretty today ( shallow note ). And Jessica is a bitch. If she had stayed longer to hear the rest of the conversation, she would have heard Christian say to Theresa that he didn't want to get into business with her. But no, Jessica will use anything to get want she wants. And of course Olli gets pissed off cause what Jessica says. UGH!!! I'm glad Christian said what he said about Olli's bff telling lies about him again. And so glad that Christian put Theresa in her place.

[Deleted]

Thank you May!!!

o.k. now with this translations I can make my mind and say that I like Christian today. Jessica just needs a serious STFU and be out of things that are none of HER business. We obviously know why she did what she did, and plus trying to insult Olli because he didn't want to do the photoshoot, classy!

Christian answered Olli's questions, that it wasn't Olli's business to know what Christian wants with that money and for what, nor having reasons to divorce (however logical that is). Jessica didn't technically lie, but she told things half way, the way she knew it was going to provoke a reaction from Olli.

It was convenient for her mission, which was to convince Olli to go to Majorca at any cost. I really liked the last scene between C and T. Somehow I felt the reason why Christian pushed Theresa to the wall was more because it brought a type of deception for him to know that all those goals and dreams were gone and dead. The fact that she kept asking him if he was happy with his job or if he didn't have any higher goals, all of this pretty much made Christian feel that in reality he hasn't achieve much.

[candyflossuk]

I don't get Christian at the minute. He's been screwing Theresa for months and now he acts as though he cant stand the sight of her? I know he's never particularly cared much about her but still. I guess were meant to believe that now he's seen the real side of 'Jockey Bitch', he doesn't want to get into her pants anymore. But it all seems abit random and abrupt to me. I feel like they're trying to reintroduce the old Christian too suddenly, without any explanation about his constant switching between personalties.

I didn't mind the Oli/Jessica stuff to be honest, It just seemed to be played for laughs and I enjoyed Jo's 'fake injury' acting ;D. To be fair to Jessica, Oli's injury excuse was pretty lame and unbelievable and he cannot even give her a reasonable explanation as to why he suddenly cant do the photoshoot. So what is she supposed to think? From Jessica's point of view, he is putting her job on the line for no good reason so of course she is going to react angrily.
However to use the situation between Oli and Christian to get her own way though was pretty low and selfish.

I cannot understand why Christian said that he doesn't want a divorce. How bizarre . Who chooses to stay married to someone who they are constantly arguing and barely on speaking terms with, whilst maintaining a 'f*ck buddy' style relationship with someone else? That's not healthy. Christian should have said there and then that they need a divorce because their marriage is now a joke.

[shiyo]

I did not like angry Christian at the end. I didnt like how he manhandled Theresa. This episode was crazy. So all over the place. A new/old Christian has emerged.

So Christian still has a "dream". How many has he had? He first wanted a sporting goods store, then to be a boxer, then he became a groundsman, then he worked with horses, then he started training jockeys, then he started training for sex, now hes reminded of his heart and they are foreshadowing boxing again? Ok then. Christian should just become a stripper and fall in love with the Madame with the heart of gold. It can be a man or a woman. His career stories are so out there. And they are kind of boring.

Olli and Jessica. They are cute. I like them.

Why is Charlie calling Olli hysterical?

Why does Clarissa seem like she could care less about Charlie? Charlie made it sound like they were best buds who braided each others hair and gave manicures. Thats not what I saw.

I dont know what to expect anymore....

[pru]

Aug 31, 2011 19:03:10 GMT -5 candyflossuk said:

I don't get Christian at the minute. He's been screwing Theresa for months and now he acts as though he cant stand the sight of her? I know he's never particularly cared much about her but still. I guess were meant to believe that now he's seen the real side of 'Jockey Bitch', he doesn't want to get into her pants anymore. But it all seems abit random and abrupt to me. I feel like they're trying to reintroduce the old Christian too suddenly, without any explanation about his constant switching between personalties.

I didn't mind the Oli/Jessica stuff to be honest, It just seemed to be played for laughs and I enjoyed Jo's 'fake injury' acting ;D. To be fair to Jessica, Oli's injury excuse was pretty lame and unbelievable and he cannot even give her a reasonable explanation as to why he suddenly cant do the photoshoot. So what is she supposed to think? From Jessica's point of view, he is putting her job on the line for no good reason so of course she is going to react angrily.
However to use the situation between Oli and Christian to get her own way though was pretty low and selfish.

I cannot understand why Christian said that he doesn't want a divorce. How bizarre . Who chooses to stay married to someone who they are constantly arguing and barely on speaking terms with, whilst maintaining a 'f*ck buddy' style relationship with someone else? That's not healthy. Christian should have said there and then that they need a divorce because their marriage is now a joke.

I couldn't agree more, candy, that part was beyond bizarre. He himself said he only has a marriage on paper so what is the big deal of him getting a divorce?

He and Olli don't live together anymore, are barely talking, and are screwing other people, so Christian thinking they still have a marriage is nothing but a big joke and a pretty lame one at that.

[pru]

Aug 31, 2011 18:27:45 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

I just don't get Christian, he does not want a divorce but he is living the life of a single man with a jump-off chick on the side yet he want to put Olli's mind at ease that he does not want a divorce, sometimes he really is "special"..

I agree Christian is "special" and not in a good way. More of him needing some hooked on phonics way.

[shiyo]

Aug 31, 2011 19:37:49 GMT -5 pru said:

Aug 31, 2011 18:27:45 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

I just don't get Christian, he does not want a divorce but he is living the life of a single man with a jump-off chick on the side yet he want to put Olli's mind at ease that he does not want a divorce, sometimes he really is "special"..

I agree Christian is "special" and not in a good way. More of him needing some hooked on phonics way.

Gets me every time someone calls Christian "special".

[blaykee]

As a special education teacher I take offense to you laughing at someone who you perceive to have developmental disabilities.

But we also know, as fact, that Christian went to university and passed all his dressing/horse tests.

[shiyo]

As someone with special education background as well, that is not what I am referring to. But I understand the offense you have taken and will amend my post.

[Trish]

Thanks for the caps and videos Joanna and MM

I don't see why people think that Chrisitan should be asking for a divorce. Olli was the one hurt, he is the one that is continuing to be cheated on and he was the one that told Christian to have a good life So if anyone should ask for a divorce it should be Olli.

I like the show. I thnk that Christian actually considered T offer, but when Jessica mentioned Olli's name, I think he realized just how bad an idea it was. I'm glad that unlike Olli, Olli attacking him after receiving Jessica's information didn't go and decide to get the horse anyway.

Jessica heard just enough of the conversation to use against Olli. She's reaaly good at pushing his buttons.

So Chrisitan isn't sleeping. Poor thing. This break up is hard on him. I think Olli thought that T was the one that was keeping him up and that's why he was so hard on him when he was asking how the renovations were going.

[AndreB]

I'm dunno, I thought that Christian was downright creepy at the end, even somebody like Theresa doesn't deserve to be treated like that. A big boxer and a small woman... Maybe it was supposed to be heart-breaking that Christian can't box any more? I guess the way Thore was playing this stuff was making it rather scary.

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Aug 31, 2011 18:27:45 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

I just don't get Christian

Oh, thanks for this sentence. It just really sums up very nicely about how I’ve been feeling about the guy for a long while.

I can overlook the cheating (happens in soaps all the time to even more solid couples and technically Olli also did his thing while the marriage is still ongoing despite things being over) come the time whatever reunion may happen. Heck, I could even work hard at overlooking doing the dirty across from his husband’s earlier in time. But as this episode again cemented for me, I just cannot stand the attitude Christian carries in his words, looks and demeanor, especially with Olli but not just with him. He talks, acts and struts like he’s on such a high horse above everyone else, as if he were owed something and since I still can’t figure out whatever the hell that could possibly be, it just irritates me to no end. He could say the sky is blue with that whole attitude of his and even if completely true, I’d be rolling my eyes hard at him. This is why even though I don’t get the guy, he also gives me no desire whatsoever right now to even try or want to.

I think anyone could tell Olli anything and he’s likely to believe them over Christian at this point, it’s just that sad. It was clearly to Jessica’s benefit and it might not have been false exactly, but it was a good showing of how much the trust has been broken on Olli’s end. I don’t know if it was an intentional showing from the writers, but that’s what came across.

Even though I’ve been enjoying her interactions with Olli for a while now, this might be the first episode where I kind of see a purpose in Jessica, no matter how superficial it is. I can’t even put my finger on why. She’s getting really good at getting her way without necessarily having to resort to flat out lies.

Thanks for the clip!

Aug 31, 2011 20:31:36 GMT -5 AndreB said:

I'm dunno, I thought that Christian was downright creepy at the end, even somebody like Theresa doesn't deserve to be treated like that. A big boxer and a small woman... Maybe it was supposed to be heart-breaking that Christian can't box any more? I guess the way Thore was playing this stuff was making it rather scary.

But it's just evil Theresa. Maybe they thought it'd look hot, or pro-Chrolli, or I dunno, something. Like I said, I just don't get this guy.

[gabyta07]

Wow I dont know what I saw or what I heard but I decided to watch today's episode and I dont regret it, this make me get out a little of my hole of despair
Of course I jumped all the parts with Jessica, I cant stand her. HATE HER.

[candyflossuk]

Aug 31, 2011 20:31:36 GMT -5 AndreB said:

I'm dunno, I thought that Christian was downright creepy at the end, even somebody like Theresa doesn't deserve to be treated like that. A big boxer and a small woman... Maybe it was supposed to be heart-breaking that Christian can't box any more? I guess the way Thore was playing this stuff was making it rather scary.

I don't exactly care for Theresa but there was no reason to push her against the wall like that. I don't think she said or did anything particulary hurtful to warrant that reaction from Christian. I mean she's always been an annoying bitch. He was just blind to it coz of his desire to get into her pants. And the way he's gone from screwing her to seemingly not being able to stand the sight of her, says a lot about his attitude towards women. But that discussion does not belong here...

[candyflossuk]

Oh and did anyone else find the 'for whatever reasons' line odd? I don't know what Christian meant by that or why he said it?

[Trish]

He didn't push her or shove her, he wanted her to stop playing with him and grabbed her. He was angry yes, and maybe it was a little rougher than he planned, but he spoke his piece and let her go and left.

As far as his opinon of her, we've said all along that he never seemed like he like her and now he's got good reason not too. The one thing he told her to do was to treat Dana fairly and then he finds out that she ws blackmailing her. So the little bit of respect he had for her is gone. It is what it is.

[luckycharm]

Aug 31, 2011 20:56:48 GMT -5 candyflossuk said:

Oh and did anyone else find the 'for whatever reasons' line odd? I don't know what Christian meant by that or why he said it?

Christian was being facetious, I believe. Read it as a .

Translation: even though you seem to hate my guts, can't stand the sight of me, are ready to believe any and all lies about me, I, for "whatever [the] reason", still want to stay married to you.


Therefore, "whatever the reason" = I still love you, you infuriating asshole.

*************

Thore was excellent at the end, as Christian. The darker side of Christian. I always felt the character had this shade in him, so I don't see it as a "new" Christian. His response to Theresa's goading by hitting a nerve about his failed boxing career/physical fitness...which, as we all know, when Little Christian failed to perform, is very much so a sore spot for Christian, as it is tied to his identity/his manhood........so the "are you wimp?" or whatever line tipped him over the edge.........

Christian has [had to] forfeited many a "fights" in his life, in and out of the ring. And, Theresa hit just that nerve, mocking him with that reality.

He was not in the mood for her teasing, insults and goading, so he gave her a warning. Loud and clear. Back the fuck off.

Was it right? Was it wrong? I'm not engaging in an ethical discussion. I'm more interested in character-study. And the ending was superb because it gives a nuance to the character of Christian. His simmering red, hot rage, built on years and years of disappointments and failures [esp. with his career(s) and those he loves]. Because, Theresa's plan also signifies the reality of Christian's life at this moment. That to go along with it, it would mean, cut all ties with Olli, to get the money. And, he hates that Theresa [or anyone, for that matter, esp. Olli, when he confronted Christian in the hallway] is even suggesting it (not that Theresa did so being consciously aware of the magnitude of the issues surrounding her proposal).

Initially, at NL, he "considered" it, to get a reaction out of Olli, as if to say, "Oh yeah? Ya wanna keep ignoring me? Well, I have other options too!" But, Christian was not seriously considering it, as, as soon as Olli's name was mentioned by Jessica (phone call), he drops the notion.

Until........Olli brings it up in the hallway, in tow with the one who caused all this downfall - Jessica (in Christian's mind), and so it builds, and builds........and then Theresa brings it up again, and this time, mocking him, while doing so.....

and.......BOOM!

Rage, rage against the dying of the fight.

Unlike most others, who are either puzzled or disgusted by who Christian has become, I actually like this darker side of Christian. The righteous, selfish asshole. Yes, the "old, wholesome" Christian continuously takes a beating for the cause, but, in this case, I'll gladly be a masochist. Christian is FUCKED UP. Woot! More, more!!

Olli, so cute, faking his injury. Jessica, again, fluff, but, helps play off Olli to elevate his cuteness/sweetness, so I don't mind.

***

Joanna and MercuryMay, what would we do without you? As always, thank you.

[Deleted]

I actually think he did pushed her and yes it was rough. I have never agree on physical abuse either from men to women or the other way around, but I didn't see a threat to her life.

SPOILER: Click to show

I actually think that the accident she's gonna cause to Dana is something that should raise eyebrows.

She can blackmail people, talk to her boss as if she was the boss, and cause accidents. I think she can handle a push after bugging so much with bargains here and bargains there.

I forgot to mention how cool was to hear Charlie talk in Spanish

Helena looks really pretty but I still can't believe she has the nerve to talk to Olli after what she did. I mean this guy blamed himself for the accident but not even that moved her to spill the beans.

I been meaning to ask, who's in the photograph that Olli has haging behind him at NL?

[Trish]

Aug 31, 2011 22:56:08 GMT -5 @sakurasakae said:

I actually think he did pushed her and yes it was rough. I have never agree on physical abuse either from men to women or the other way around, but I didn't see a threat to her life.

SPOILER: Click to show

I actually think that the accident she's gonna cause to Dana is something that should raise eyebrows.

She can blackmail people, talk to her boss as if she was the boss, and cause accidents. I think she can handle a push after bugging so much with bargains here and bargains there.

I forgot to mention how cool was to hear Charlie talk in Spanish

Helena looks really pretty but I still can't believe she has the nerve to talk to Olli after what she did. I mean this guy blamed himself for the accident but not even that moved her to spill the beans.

I been meaning to ask, who's in the photograph that Olli has haging behind him at NL?

I wondered too, but I think it's Marlena. I wonder what happened to the pic of Rahael.

[teachgirl]

Aug 31, 2011 22:41:52 GMT -5 luckycharm said:

Aug 31, 2011 20:56:48 GMT -5 candyflossuk said:

Oh and did anyone else find the 'for whatever reasons' line odd? I don't know what Christian meant by that or why he said it?

Christian was being facetious, I believe. Read it as a .

Translation: even though you seem to hate my guts, can't stand the sight of me, are ready to believe any and all lies about me, I, for "whatever [the] reason", still want to stay married to you.


Therefore, "whatever the reason" = I still love you, you infuriating asshole.

*************

Thore was excellent at the end, as Christian. The darker side of Christian. I always felt the character had this shade in him, so I don't see it as a "new" Christian. His response to Theresa's goading by hitting a nerve about his failed boxing career/physical fitness...which, as we all know, when Little Christian failed to perform, is very much so a sore spot for Christian, as it is tied to his identity/his manhood........so the "are you wimp?" or whatever line tipped him over the edge.........

Christian has [had to] forfeited many a "fights" in his life, in and out of the ring. And, Theresa hit just that nerve, mocking him with that reality.

He was not in the mood for her teasing, insults and goading, so he gave her a warning. Loud and clear. Back the fuck off.

Was it right? Was it wrong? I'm not engaging in an ethical discussion. I'm more interested in character-study. And the ending was superb because it gives a nuance to the character of Christian. His simmering red, hot rage, built on years and years of disappointments and failures [esp. with his career(s) and those he loves]. Because, Theresa's plan also signifies the reality of Christian's life at this moment. That to go along with it, it would mean, cut all ties with Olli, to get the money. And, he hates that Theresa [or anyone, for that matter, esp. Olli, when he confronted Christian in the hallway] is even suggesting it (not that Theresa did so being consciously aware of the magnitude of the issues surrounding her proposal).

Initially, at NL, he "considered" it, to get a reaction out of Olli, as if to say, "Oh yeah? Ya wanna keep ignoring me? Well, I have other options too!" But, Christian was not seriously considering it, as, as soon as Olli's name was mentioned by Jessica (phone call), he drops the notion.

Until........Olli brings it up in the hallway, in tow with the one who caused all this downfall - Jessica (in Christian's mind), and so it builds, and builds........and then Theresa brings it up again, and this time, mocking him, while doing so.....

and.......BOOM!

Rage, rage against the dying of the fight.

Unlike most others, who are either puzzled or disgusted by who Christian has become, I actually like this darker side of Christian. The righteous, selfish asshole. Yes, the "old, wholesome" Christian continuously takes a beating for the cause, but, in this case, I'll gladly be a masochist. Christian is FUCKED UP. Woot! More, more!!

Olli, so cute, faking his injury. Jessica, again, fluff, but, helps play off Olli to elevate his cuteness/sweetness, so I don't mind.

***

Joanna and MercuryMay, what would we do without you? As always, thank you.

I really should go to bed, but just had to respond to this because it really helps me explain to myself my totally conflicting feelings about Christian in this episode. I've been fuming lately about Christian and his treatment of women, so I really was not pleased about the shove. But at the same time, I loved that we finally got to see a little of what's going on inside Christian (and they actually used his history ), and since I've also been really peeved by Thore not getting anything good to do and being basically wasted, I sort of shuddered and then cheered at the same time. Again, excellent post.

[blaykee]

I totally agree with you luckycharms especially about why Christian said "for whatever reasons" and I think Olli was relieved to hear that Christian didn't want a divorce. And Thore excelled in those last scenes today. I bet it felt good.

[blaykee]

Aug 31, 2011 22:59:49 GMT -5 Trish said:

Aug 31, 2011 22:56:08 GMT -5 @sakurasakae said:

I actually think he did pushed her and yes it was rough. I have never agree on physical abuse either from men to women or the other way around, but I didn't see a threat to her life.

SPOILER: Click to show

I actually think that the accident she's gonna cause to Dana is something that should raise eyebrows.

She can blackmail people, talk to her boss as if she was the boss, and cause accidents. I think she can handle a push after bugging so much with bargains here and bargains there.

I forgot to mention how cool was to hear Charlie talk in Spanish

Helena looks really pretty but I still can't believe she has the nerve to talk to Olli after what she did. I mean this guy blamed himself for the accident but not even that moved her to spill the beans.

I been meaning to ask, who's in the photograph that Olli has haging behind him at NL?

I wondered too, but I think it's Marlena. I wonder what happened to the pic of Rahael.

I always figured he took that down after he embarrassed himself by putting it there in the first place.

[Deleted]

Aug 31, 2011 22:59:49 GMT -5 Trish said:

Aug 31, 2011 22:56:08 GMT -5 @sakurasakae said:

I actually think he did pushed her and yes it was rough. I have never agree on physical abuse either from men to women or the other way around, but I didn't see a threat to her life.

SPOILER: Click to show

I actually think that the accident she's gonna cause to Dana is something that should raise eyebrows.

She can blackmail people, talk to her boss as if she was the boss, and cause accidents. I think she can handle a push after bugging so much with bargains here and bargains there.

I forgot to mention how cool was to hear Charlie talk in Spanish

Helena looks really pretty but I still can't believe she has the nerve to talk to Olli after what she did. I mean this guy blamed himself for the accident but not even that moved her to spill the beans.

I been meaning to ask, who's in the photograph that Olli has haging behind him at NL?

I wondered too, but I think it's Marlena. I wonder what happened to the pic of Rahael.

2 options, 1) He removed it as quickly as Christian saw it that time at NL and put it somewhere safe or 2) He took it upstairs to his room and has it underneath his pillow ;D I feel both are possible but I'm just more incline to the first one.

[Deleted]

Aug 31, 2011 22:41:52 GMT -5 luckycharm said:

Unlike most others, who are either puzzled or disgusted by who Christian has become, I actually like this darker side of Christian. The righteous, selfish asshole. Yes, the "old, wholesome" Christian continuously takes a beating for the cause, but, in this case, I'll gladly be a masochist. Christian is FUCKED UP. Woot! More, more!!

Good point. I have no problem having the character having a more “dark side”; good for the writers for stretching things in whatever positive or negative direction they want, for Thore especially for getting to play things differently, and for you for enjoying the entertainment value of it. Christian can continue his “dark side” thing as you call it; soaps need all kinds of characters after all. But what I’m still left wondering even more with that (pretty damn accurate IMO) description of the character, is why I should want or root for him to be with the Olli I see on screen at all then. If anything, the more I see of the evolution of things, the more them keeping apart makes sense to me.