Chrolli-VL 18-22/07/11 ep chat (+ caps/vids)

[Difficult Diva]

I DIDN'T know that to be seen as someone who's confident, assertive, direct AND also happens to be gay, means that you're a predative man-whore. So, should all gay male fictional characters been seen as non-threatening & non-effeminate, so that they're not seen as sexually preditory? This is the 4th and/or 5th time I've seen that description used to describe another fictional gay male character being introduced into a gay storyline, involving gay OTP'ing couples.

[AndreB]

Subtitled video is now available and you can also hear audio if you open it directly on the the channel page. Obviously YT fails with their audio-block...

www.youtube.com/user/MercuryMay01

[Deleted]

Christian makes me laugh involuntarily sometimes, really. In a not so joyous way at all, yet laugh all the same.

Anyway, Olli, aside from looking good, was just nice to see. Too fast and too young, but I’m not expecting this to be an easy and clean-cut journey for him. It was good to see him smile, be carefree and seemingly enjoying himself despite some reservations though; I hadn’t seen him like that in a long while. He really needed that.

No words for Charlie and her Christian buddy in their scenes. These two are really peas in a pod, no wonder they seem to have each other’s back. I’d reject their calls and cut them off too. What an entitled attitude and selective memory they have. It was just laughable to me.

Thanks for the links!

[dalphine]

Thanks MMay for all you do for us Chrolli fans.

[sonia38]

I have no words for Theresa, oh and by the way, Olli is Christian's husband not his boyfriend and she has no respect for herself if she does not see that Christian only wants to take out his frustrations on her but it quite obvious that she does not care just like Christ but I really think he will not go there with her again. I got to give it to her though, she was really really trying hard to be sexy but I'm sorry to say she did not pull it off.

I certainly hope Olli used a condom with this guy whom he just met 10 minutes before he banged him.

[Difficult Diva]

Shouldn't you ALSO hope that Christian's using a condom with Theresa? Or is it only necessary for the preditory gay man whores?

[pru]

Seriously, what planet are Charlie and Christian inhabiting?

First Charlie is having selective amnesia and acting as though Olli didn't end things with Christian and second, Christian getting upset with Charlie because Olli rejected his call, and then leaving saying he should have gotten the message by now and not contacted Olli at all.

What part of Olli telling Christian he was better off without him and to have a NICE LIFE didn't Christian not understand, and him removing his ring and leaving town would have told me all I needed to know.

I mean is he purposely appearing stupid or is it just DENIAL?

[Difficult Diva]

Charlie supposedly represents us Chrolli fans, Pru.

[sonia38]

Jul 18, 2011 20:17:57 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

Shouldn't you ALSO hope that Christian's using a condom with Theresa? Or is it only necessary for the preditory gay man whores?

I posted about that a while back when they first slept together, I don't think I have to do it again. And for the record, I did not refer to either Olli or Rafa as predatory gay men whores. Olli and Christian are both my favorite characters on this show so those words would never come from my keyboard.

[LadyArmand]

If Charlie is representing us Chrolli fans shes doing a piss poor job. And frankly I would rather represent myself.

Olli is her nephew and yet she appears to at every turn side with the guy who cheated on him. Not only is he living with her, but he has had sex with a woman in her apartment more than once. A fact she never clued her nephew in on. Instead allowing him to find out about it in the worst possible way. To add insult to injury she has the nerve to repremand Olli for how he's treating poor misunderstood, overly sexed Christian. Don't get me wrong I love Christian, but he's acting like an spoiled brat. Olli didn't end things or take off his ring, or leave town until he saw Christian (the guy who cheated on him and tried to excuse it because he was drunk) kissing some other chick and entering his aunts apartment. And he did this stone cold sober, so this is more than a laspe. And still Olli ended things to his face. I know Christian thought things were over between him and Olli before he slept with Teresa, but he never informed his husband of this. So you have Olli thinking on some level that there is a glimmer of hope for htem. Everyone keeps telling him that they are meant for each other and how much Christian loves him. Maybe someone should tell Christian.

[Difficult Diva]

Yet, Charlie HAS told Christian, but Olli wouldn't listen to him. What MORE do you want Christian to do?! LOL

[luckycharm]

[pru]

Jul 18, 2011 20:42:16 GMT -5 LadyArmand said:

If Charlie is representing us Chrolli fans shes doing a piss poor job. And frankly I would rather represent myself.

Olli is her nephew and yet she appears to at every turn side with the guy who cheated on him. Not only is he living with her, but he has had sex with a woman in her apartment more than once. A fact she never clued her nephew in on. Instead allowing him to find out about it in the worst possible way. To add insult to injury she has the nerve to repremand Olli for how he's treating poor misunderstood, overly sexed Christian. Don't get me wrong I love Christian, but he's acting like an spoiled brat. Olli didn't end things or take off his ring, or leave town until he saw Christian (the guy who cheated on him and tried to excuse it because he was drunk) kissing some other chick and entering his aunts apartment. And he did this stone cold sober, so this is more than a laspe. And still Olli ended things to his face. I know Christian thought things were over between him and Olli before he slept with Teresa, but he never informed his husband of this. So you have Olli thinking on some level that there is a glimmer of hope for htem. Everyone keeps telling him that they are meant for each other and how much Christian loves him. Maybe someone should tell Christian.

Exactly, LadyArmand.

She DEFINITELY doesn't represent me because I have loyalty to my blood and would NEVER do any of the bs she is pulling with Olli in the name of how much Christian and Olli are suppose to love each other.

Cuz there is not that MUCH love in the damn world and she has clearly lost sight of having her nephew's back and for some skewed reasons of her own believes she has to save them because she doesn't want them to end like all her relationships did, forgetting that this is different and that Olli should not have to put up with his husband being unfaithful at every turn and not trusting a thing that comes out of his mouth.

[sonnenstern]

Jul 18, 2011 11:37:43 GMT -5 robin1 said:

that rafael guy is really a bad actor...

Really you find he is a bad actor ?

I saw Marc Philipp 2 years everyday on marienhof and all what can I say is he is a really really good Actor.

Btw: I like the scenes with him and Emilio.

[sonnenstern]

Jul 18, 2011 12:02:33 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

Well, that age IS legal in Germany, right?

Yes that age is legal in Germany. In Germany is age 14.

[angelarose]

Thanks for the caps Joanna, and for the video May!! We appreciate all the hard work from you girls!!

The video unfortunately is blocked for me though.

[sunny]

Well Monday has come and gone. Olli jumped on the first guy he found on the beach and didnt look too pleased in the morning. dont even know if he slept with Raf.... Any thoughts??

[blaykee]

The whole episode was weird for me. Why make an obviously NOT 18 year play so young. Was there a point with him being 18? To explain why he was there? Because they could have come up with another story for knowing Timo. And to waste what little dialog they had on this issue was annoying. (and I say if Olli is going to sleep with a twink, why not be Emilio or Timo)

Was the fact the Emilio clearly bothered by being around the two (gay men)important to Olli's SL? or is this just part of his own sl?

And why did they leave the ending so ambiguous? Is there going to be some plot twist? Did Olli have a blackout? Did he sleep with someone else? IF he did sleep with Raphael, why did he leave him there? Olli seemed rather disconcerted when he woke up.

And I finally realize why Theresa bugs me, other than the obvious, she does this weird lip curling thing, is she trying to be coy? sexy? it ain't working.

And I do think Charlie was wrong to lecture Olli on his vacation.

and I will even go so far to say that Christian made an annoying trying-to-be-sexy look too.

Olli did look good coming out of the water (has he been working out?)

ANd I always love me some boxing with Christian.

[dalphine]

I think Timo and Emilio are young stupid kids. Rafel even thou he looks older than 18 he is much more mature then his friends.

[Zam]

Jul 18, 2011 20:35:52 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

Jul 18, 2011 20:17:57 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

Shouldn't you ALSO hope that Christian's using a condom with Theresa? Or is it only necessary for the preditory gay man whores?

I posted about that a while back when they first slept together, I don't think I have to do it again. And for the record, I did not refer to either Olli or Rafa as predatory gay men whores. Olli and Christian are both my favorite characters on this show so those words would never come from my keyboard.

Don't worry Sonia. I'm the one who referred to Rafael as seeming predatory. Others may take offense at the my use of the phrase, but I stand by it. Rather than anyone getting their knickers in a twist, they should understand the reasoning behind it.

I described him that way because as a character on this show, his variously-directed sexuality (read: horny for any willing male hole) was a departure from the way other characters are presented. The character the show gave us was an other, a departure from the norm, in the sense that no other character on Verbotene Liebe's canvas behaves this way. Particularly within the scope of a single episode.

Rafael was depicted as a horny "18" year-old whose sole motivation was sex. Rafael as a character was a blatant plot device, and he stuck out as a departure from the norm.

The closest comparison in recent memory is Jessica's bizarre behavior at the bachelor party. Within that, however, whatever her goal was that particular evening (since it hasn't been properly explained), her interest wasn't truly sex. It's also unlikely that uber-drunk Andi and Chris both actually had sex with her.

Even the seemingly hyper-sexual Theresa doesn't come close to what we saw with Rafael.

It's all about context. Rafael's character was out-of-context.

-- Think of Lafayette on "True Blood". His character is no more flamboyant than any other character. He doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. Neither does it neuter his sexual expression.
-- Think of Max on "Happy Endings". He gets around as much as Penny and Dave, with about as many different partners.
-- We can also look at Marc within the context of "Ugly Betty". His personality was as big, and he was essentially no different than the other characters who inhabited the world of Mode.

[katemonster]

Jul 18, 2011 12:04:02 GMT -5 kira said:

Jul 18, 2011 12:00:25 GMT -5 @chrischi said:

Am I too stupid or did they cut some scenes? I mean how did Olli end up half naked somewhere in the garden surrounded by empty beer bottles the next morning, apparently with a hangover, while Rafael came out of Timo's house fit, freshly showered and dressed asking where Olli is?

Yeah, that confused me too. I guess Rafael just woke up before Olli and went inside to freshen up?

I have a theory that Olli spent the night with Emillo not Rafael and Emillio left early because he was upset/ashamed because he doesn't want to be gay.

[lolaruns]

Emilio and Timo also can barely be in an episode without making some comment about girls and wanting to hook up. Yeah it's more noticable with him because he is only in one episode, but I don't think that he is that much more predatory than Timo for example.

[bkoz]

That was a strange end to the epi. If Olli slept with Rafael, how come Rafael didn't know where Olli was in the morning. Just odd. And the kisses between Olli and Rafael were just eh. For one thing I couldn't really see it, too dark.

Thanks for the vid and translations MM.

[lolaruns]

This made me LOL

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vyS_1x6BA

To explain, this is a Mallorca video, thus Oliver on the beach = included, Christian on the bitch = not included

[pru]

Thanks lolaruns, I loved seeing Olli and Rafael together again.