VL XL 21-24/06/11 launch week chat (+ caps/vids)

[sonia38]

This is my take on the episode. Helena really wants to tell the truth but her pappy is guilt tripping her into saying nothing because the family might be kaput if she does. Of course Helena is going to stick to her guns and not let her family rot so she will keep her mouth shut. With a dad like Ludwig no wonder his kids are messed up. Just listen to him telling her with her messed up mind that her friends will no longer be there for her and the coppers will come and get her and lock her up and throw the book at her, he is putting the living fear into the girl.

Let’s play where is the missing ring, does Christian only wears it when he feels like it, when he can’t stand Olli or did he lose it again? I wish they would make up their minds, either he not wear it at all or he keeps it on, not this here today gone tomorrow ring.

I really do not see Jessica trying to turn Olli against his friends, I see her trying to be his friend since she has none and he is kinda nice to her. It’s way out there but right now Olli is way out there and is so messed up he will talk to and confide in the one person who helped mess with his life and be her BFF (who writes this stuff anyway). Glad to see that even though any is pissed at Olli, he still went back to check on him to make sure he is OK that’s more than I can say for the love of his life.

[evajan2]

I would understand that Christian is afraid to go back and to see Olli , who still refuses him ... but if he'd show more interest and effort than just his own frustration, anger and pride ...
If he would look sadly and resignedly , or would tell Charlie that he's desperate, he wants to help Olli, but Olli refuses him.. so would say , poor Christian ... but he looks just disgusted that Olli doesn't want to see HIM,HIM,HIM ...it's selfish
but as I said ... the behavior of both of them is kind of selfish

[bkoz]

Jun 23, 2011 18:35:44 GMT -5 @evajan2 said:

I would understand that Christian is afraid to go back and to see Olli , who still refuses him ... but if he'd show more interest and effort than just his own frustration, anger and pride ...
If he would look sadly and resignedly , or would tell Charlie that he's desperate, he wants to help Olli, but Olli refuses him.. so would say , poor Christian ... but he looks just disgusted that Olli doesn't want to see HIM,HIM,HIM ...it's selfish
but as I said ... the behavior of both of them is kind of selfish

I disagree. Olli is the selfish one, having his stupid pity party and and only thinking about his own pain, instead of Nico and Phil. And Christian said it, he's getting use to Olli sending him away all the time. I'm glad Christian is not begging Olli to talk, Olli can have Jessica for that, his new BFF.

[sonia38]

Let's that even start with who is selfish, if that's the case Christian wins hands down. Olli is hurt and desperate and totally spinning out of control, Christian does not seem to care and I certainly don't want to psychoanalyze him but he comes off as just not a caring husband. If Olli would forgive him and take him back then Christian will be Christian again but until then he's just plain selfish.

[bkoz]

Jun 23, 2011 18:47:26 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

Let's that even start with who is selfish, if that's the case Christian wins hands down. Olli is hurt and desperate and totally spinning out of control, Christian does not seem to care and I certainly don't want to psychoanalyze him but he comes off as just not a caring husband. If Olli would forgive him and take him back then Christian will be Christian again but until then he's just plain selfish.

If Christian is selfish then so be it. I'm glad Christian is not giving a crap about Olli right now. You can only kick a dog down before he snaps. And I think Christian has given up. So Olli can wallow in his misery all by himself for all I care.

[evajan2]

Jun 23, 2011 18:43:11 GMT -5 bkoz said:

I disagree. Olli is the selfish one, having his stupid pity party and and only thinking about his own pain, instead of Nico and Phil. And Christian said it, he's getting use to Olli sending him away all the time. I'm glad Christian is not begging Olli to talk, Olli can have Jessica for that, his new BFF.

OK , it's your opinion ...you're glad...I'm unpleasantly surprised and disappointed

[andc39]

Jun 23, 2011 18:53:58 GMT -5 bkoz said:

Jun 23, 2011 18:47:26 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

Let's that even start with who is selfish, if that's the case Christian wins hands down. Olli is hurt and desperate and totally spinning out of control, Christian does not seem to care and I certainly don't want to psychoanalyze him but he comes off as just not a caring husband. If Olli would forgive him and take him back then Christian will be Christian again but until then he's just plain selfish.

If Christian is selfish then so be it. I'm glad Christian is not giving a crap about Olli right now. You can only kick a dog down before he snaps. And I think Christian has given up. So Olli can wallow in his misery all by himself for all I care.

WTF?.....

[banshee]

Andi witnessed exactly what happened at the hospital and what is going on with the whole family - Christian did not. So Andi has something more specific about it all to say, plus Olli was quite calmed down from when Christian encountered him the night before.

And much as I don't like the blame game, Olli didn't exactly win me over with how much he tried to (or not) reach out to Christian after learning all of his stuff got burned up - pretty traumatic in it's own way. IMO they are both culpable in how out of control this has gotten. When Olli asked for a break they apparently didn't set any parameters for it and look at where they are

[bkoz]

Jun 23, 2011 19:08:04 GMT -5 banshee said:

Andi witnessed exactly what happened at the hospital and what is going on with the whole family - Christian did not. So Andi has something more specific about it all to say, plus Olli was quite calmed down from when Christian encountered him the night before.

And much as I don't like the blame game, Olli didn't exactly win me over with how much he tried to (or not) reach out to Christian after learning all of his stuff got burned up - pretty traumatic in it's own way. IMO they are both culpable in how out of control this has gotten. When Olli asked for a break they apparently didn't set any parameters for it and look at where they are

Thank you banshee for articulating it better than I did.

[evajan2]

Jun 23, 2011 19:07:20 GMT -5 andc39 said:

Jun 23, 2011 18:53:58 GMT -5 bkoz said:

If Christian is selfish then so be it. I'm glad Christian is not giving a crap about Olli right now. You can only kick a dog down before he snaps. And I think Christian has given up. So Olli can wallow in his misery all by himself for all I care.

WTF?.....

you know , some people see some things evidently with different eyes ..we have no choice but to respect it

[bkoz]

Jun 23, 2011 19:15:27 GMT -5 @evajan2 said:

Jun 23, 2011 19:07:20 GMT -5 andc39 said:

WTF?.....

you know , some people see some things evidently with different eyes ..we have no choice but to respect it

No I'm just not blinded by Olli tears and poor Olli is sad let me feel sorry for him crap. Sorry if no one agrees with me. But that's fine, I can be alone in my opinion on this.

[banshee]

Chrolli, I would love to mediate for you two - call me

In all seriousness, I find it very interesting how so many people can watch the same scenes and come to sometimes vastly different conclusions/opinions. Human nature at work

[evajan2]

Jun 23, 2011 19:22:27 GMT -5 bkoz said:

Jun 23, 2011 19:15:27 GMT -5 @evajan2 said:

you know , some people see some things evidently with different eyes ..we have no choice but to respect it

No I'm just not blinded by Olli tears and poor Olli is sad let me feel sorry for him crap. Sorry if no one agrees with me. But that's fine, I can be alone in my opinion on this.

no, you're for sure not alone in your opinion
just...
someone is blinded by Olli's tears
someone is blinded by Christian's... hotness ?? anger??

only a few people here are really objective ( no, I'm not really objective too ) - most people here defend either Olli or Christian - even if they don't want to admit that and try to pretend that they like both equally

[banshee]

I think it's natural for most people to gravitate toward one character over the other. Personally I gravitate towards the Christian character more than Olli, always have, but feel I can still be objective towards a situation as it's presented and toward their history. They have both presented as flawed individuals (which IMO defines all humans) who have chosen to stay together through the flaws and problems that have come about, until now. Depending on where the writers want to take them, a reconciliation could be done very believably, as could -sadly - a divorce.

Please let us get the former, Chrolli has meant so much to so many.

[Deleted]

Helena has the worst father's advice!!! Ludwig you are suppose to be by your daughter side and tell her was the right thing to do! not scaring the crap out of her and bring the whole negativity on her and saying you'll still RESPECT her decision and say you'll be by her side when you are forcing your thinking down her throat! ugh

Andi thanks for checking on Olli, again. Christian thanks for not checking on Olli, again Jessica, whatever. Olli, please there's so much you can cry and I need you to snap out of it, so you can go and give a hug to Nico

Jun 23, 2011 20:01:39 GMT -5 banshee said:

I think it's natural for most people to gravitate toward one character over the other. Personally I gravitate towards the Christian character more than Olli, always have, but feel I can still be objective towards a situation as it's presented and toward their history. They have both presented as flawed individuals (which IMO defines all humans) who have chosen to stay together through the flaws and problems that have come about, until now. Depending on where the writers want to take them, a reconciliation could be done very believably, as could -sadly - a divorce.

Please let us get the former, Chrolli has meant so much to so many.

banshee, the voice of reason

On a lighter note, DAYUM Charlie! You're snapping with those glasses! you go girl! ;D

[bkoz]

banshee got your pm. Check yours.

And I'll take your advice. Thanks

[chrischi]

Jun 23, 2011 15:07:04 GMT -5 @lola77 said:

Jun 23, 2011 13:21:54 GMT -5 @chrischi said:

Did Olli cry today? I must have missed that. He didn't do anything today, he even hardly said anything today, but still people are annoyed with him.

maybe people are annoyed with him, but I'm definitely not ....

IMO Olli/Jo absolutely " shines" in the XL-version of VL and I don't mean just Jo's acting -he's like a completely different - much more interesting character ...
I like all his new, not always nice aspects of his character and I want believe that now he finally has /or will have a chance to be Olli, or better Oliver and not just one half of the Chrolli-couple

I agree with you. It's interesting to follow Olli on his way. And Jo is doing a pretty god job.

[mitsaso]

Jun 23, 2011 18:43:11 GMT -5 bkoz said:

Jun 23, 2011 18:35:44 GMT -5 @evajan2 said:

I would understand that Christian is afraid to go back and to see Olli , who still refuses him ... but if he'd show more interest and effort than just his own frustration, anger and pride ...
If he would look sadly and resignedly , or would tell Charlie that he's desperate, he wants to help Olli, but Olli refuses him.. so would say , poor Christian ... but he looks just disgusted that Olli doesn't want to see HIM,HIM,HIM ...it's selfish
but as I said ... the behavior of both of them is kind of selfish

I disagree. Olli is the selfish one, having his stupid pity party and and only thinking about his own pain, instead of Nico and Phil. And Christian said it, he's getting use to Olli sending him away all the time. I'm glad Christian is not begging Olli to talk, Olli can have Jessica for that, his new BFF.

I completely, absolutely 100% agree.

Did anybody actually pay attention to Olli's behaviour in the hospital the other day?

Nico has just been dragged out from Phil's room as his heart has just stopped. And Olli KNOWS of this. He didn't randomly walk in without knowing what's going on, he heard everything they were saying about Phil fighting for his life.

And what does he say to Nico?

"Is there anything I can do to help?"

LOL!!! Are you a friggin' heart surgeon, Olli? Can you turn back the hands of time and prevent the accident? NO. There's nothing you can do and you know it and you STILL ask, it's as if you WANTED to be cussed out by Nico.

IMHO, that was Olli being completely selfish and attention-seeking, who in their right mind says something like that at such a time? The whole commotion wasn't about him and his need for absolution. The woman is grieving, Olli, just sit in the background, STFU and hope she doesn't notice you. lolol

I love Olli, and these last few episodes have shed an interesting light on him, but it's still a bizzare sense of pity-partying self-centered ego that makes him tick.

[teachgirl]

Jun 24, 2011 8:04:18 GMT -5 mitsaso said:

Jun 23, 2011 18:43:11 GMT -5 bkoz said:

I disagree. Olli is the selfish one, having his stupid pity party and and only thinking about his own pain, instead of Nico and Phil. And Christian said it, he's getting use to Olli sending him away all the time. I'm glad Christian is not begging Olli to talk, Olli can have Jessica for that, his new BFF.

I completely, absolutely 100% agree.

Did anybody actually pay attention to Olli's behaviour in the hospital the other day?

Nico has just been dragged out from Phil's room as his heart has just stopped. And Olli KNOWS of this. He didn't randomly walk in without knowing what's going on, he heard everything they were saying about Phil fighting for his life.

And what does he say to Nico?

"Is there anything I can do to help?"

LOL!!! Are you a friggin' heart surgeon, Olli? Can you turn back the hands of time and prevent the accident? NO. There's nothing you can do and you know it and you STILL ask, it's as if you WANTED to be cussed out by Nico.

IMHO, that was Olli being completely selfish and attention-seeking, who in their right mind says something like that at such a time? The whole commotion wasn't about him and his need for absolution. The woman is grieving, Olli, just sit in the background, STFU and hope she doesn't notice you. lolol

I love Olli, and these last few episodes have shed an interesting light on him, but it's still a bizzare sense of pity-partying self-centered ego that makes him tick.

I agree. Very well put. I'm glad they're fleshing him out as a character, if that's their intent, but I'm not sure I like some of those new traits.

[bel7003]

Jun 24, 2011 8:04:18 GMT -5 mitsaso said:

I love Olli, and these last few episodes have shed an interesting light on him, but it's still a bizzare sense of pity-partying self-centered ego that makes him tick.

I agree. I really love Olli, too, but I have the feeling he's very self-centered. And all this rage towards Christian because of Jessica has nothing to do with his possible attraction to women. It's to do with the possibility of Olli not being the sole focus of Christian's attention anymore. The funny thing is we've seen Olli being interested in other men: the food critic, David, Rob, but Christian never looked at anyone else (and don't tell me he was really interested in Miriam and Rebecca, because I don't believe it). He's seing the whole episode centered in his own perspective of things. Not once have we seen him question his own behaviour towards Christian and the baby issue, even after Christian had tried to tell him how he had felt when he realized Olli hadn't been honest about that.
(BTW, this is not me trying to justify Christian's actions nor condemn Olli. Just developing an idea brought about by Mitsaso's post.

[Deleted]

I am a little bit shocked now... so much Chrolli I really didn't expect today...so sad
wow! JO !!

[kira]

I thought the crying scenes or better the whole desperation was played a little over the top but apart from that it was a great Chrolli episode although nothing was even mentioned in the spoilers!

[lolaruns]

Repeating what I said int he spoiler thread: I told you guys, the continutity is much better now. Things actually have a follow up in the next episode. It finally feels like an actual story.

And no I don't care that Olli still isn't letting Christian in. Because it finally feels like the writers have a plan, like they have found the emotional beat of the story. Hence, in my eyes, there is no reason to rush.

[Trish]

The continuity is better, but since they have already dragged this out so long already, I for one want this to end and they can use their new found continity prowness on another s/l where Chrolli are together.

[lolaruns]

Naw, I wanted a drama story for ages. I'm not gonna dislike this one when it actually feels like a drama storyline for a change. For me, it's like those episodes since Lilly's removal "don't count." The actual storyline starts now.