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Post by daleeryohm on Aug 30, 2015 12:06:12 GMT -5
I have to agree i.e. looking forward to Horita. I do wish Guy was a bit stronger of an actor, but he and Christopher do have a great sexual chemistry and looked a good fit with each other. I'm all for getting more of their sex scenes. Whenever it happens is when I'll properly get into the Days fandom. From what I have seen, Freddie/Sonny never made much impression on me so good riddance. I even remember when he showed up on 90210 to be Teddy's love interest and he was super bland there as well. Teddy and Ian were meant to be, but thats a whole other topic Is there any information on when Horita will start?
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Post by talula on Aug 30, 2015 15:51:05 GMT -5
I have to agree i.e. looking forward to Horita. I do wish Guy was a bit stronger of an actor, but he and Christopher do have a great sexual chemistry and looked a good fit with each other. I'm all for getting more of their sex scenes. Whenever it happens is when I'll properly get into the Days fandom. From what I have seen, Freddie/Sonny never made much impression on me so good riddance. I even remember when he showed up on 90210 to be Teddy's love interest and he was super bland there as well. Teddy and Ian were meant to be, but thats a whole other topic Is there any information on when Horita will start? Horita it's just a pure speculation, nothing more, and as rumors going around on many soap boards Guy is already left show. I wouldn't expect any gay plots in near future on Days, they brought so many veterans and teens for a reason,after Sonny' leaving gay story gonna be put on the back burner for a long time/
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Post by talula on Aug 30, 2015 16:10:25 GMT -5
Dena left temporarily she will be back in few weeks,her interview was absolutely relevant as Days writer. I don't hate Will but if Horita gonna happen it would be another insult to Sonny character, i don't know how any of WilSon fan could want that,and involve with Paul after everything would make Will even bigger hypocrite than he already is. they should let Will character rest for awhile,then bring back and try to redeem him step by step, cos now he is horrible and very unlikable person,Horita would make it even worse,anyway current Will is too immature, egocentric and irresponsible to be involve with anyone Why should Will have to rest for a while and why is he getting so much hate when Paul is just as guilty if not more than Will. I know what Will did was wrong, but Paul had a hand in it too. Guy and Christopher have great chemistry and I don't see why their character can't get together. I'm not saying right now because Will need to find himself and take care of his little girl Ari. But Will didn't die he lost the love of his life, but life does go on. Sonny is the one that left Will. really? Paul even more guilty than Will? ,lol, ok, so Paul sleeping with a guy who he didn't know was married it's worse than cheating on own husband (twice) and then endlessly lying to him, manipulate,scheming and blackmailing innocent woman and then wasn't even able to take responsibility putting all the blame on others? wow!i have no words ...lmao! Sonny should have dump Will long time ago, they both were pathetic and unhappy in their toxic marriage, even if Horita will happen it would be out of lack more gays in Salem and this even more pathetic...
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Post by stormymac on Aug 30, 2015 16:24:29 GMT -5
Why should Will have to rest for a while and why is he getting so much hate when Paul is just as guilty if not more than Will. I know what Will did was wrong, but Paul had a hand in it too. Guy and Christopher have great chemistry and I don't see why their character can't get together. I'm not saying right now because Will need to find himself and take care of his little girl Ari. But Will didn't die he lost the love of his life, but life does go on. Sonny is the one that left Will. really? Paul even more guilty than Will? ,lol, ok, so Paul sleeping with a guy who he didn't know was married it's worse than cheating on own husband (twice) and then endlessly lying to him, manipulate,scheming and blackmailing innocent woman and then wasn't even able to take responsibility and put all the blame on others? wow! i have no words...lmao! Sonny should have dump Will long time ago, they both were pathetic in that toxic marriage, even if Horita will happen it would be out of lack more gays in Salem and it's even more pathetic... Scary, isn't it. For me personally, I wouldn't find the man who blackmailed my mother and called her a whore (to my face!!!!!) as someone I would want to get together with. As a viewer, the thought of Will being rewarded for all the crappy things he's done, especially to Sonny, is repulsive. But, then again, I'm not a Will-stan (the man who cheated on his husband TWICE is less guilty than the man who cheated on no one, mindboggling).
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Post by talula on Aug 30, 2015 16:36:38 GMT -5
really? Paul even more guilty than Will? ,lol, ok, so Paul sleeping with a guy who he didn't know was married it's worse than cheating on own husband (twice) and then endlessly lying to him, manipulate,scheming and blackmailing innocent woman and then wasn't even able to take responsibility and put all the blame on others? wow! i have no words...lmao! Sonny should have dump Will long time ago, they both were pathetic in that toxic marriage, even if Horita will happen it would be out of lack more gays in Salem and it's even more pathetic... Scary, isn't it. For me personally, I wouldn't find the man who blackmailed my mother and called her a whore (to my face!!!!!) as someone I would want to get together with. As a viewer, the thought of Will being rewarded for all the crappy things he's done, especially to Sonny, is repulsive. But, then again, I'm not a Will-stan (the man who cheated on his husband TWICE is less guilty than the man who cheated on no one, mindboggling). it's depressing,lol lets just hope new writers will be more creative and consistent, and when time will come give gays a good story that doesn't offend viewers intelligence
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Post by dalphine on Aug 30, 2015 21:04:56 GMT -5
Why should Will have to rest for a while and why is he getting so much hate when Paul is just as guilty if not more than Will. I know what Will did was wrong, but Paul had a hand in it too. Guy and Christopher have great chemistry and I don't see why their character can't get together. I'm not saying right now because Will need to find himself and take care of his little girl Ari. But Will didn't die he lost the love of his life, but life does go on. Sonny is the one that left Will. really? Paul even more guilty than Will? ,lol, ok, so Paul sleeping with a guy who he didn't know was married it's worse than cheating on own husband (twice) and then endlessly lying to him, manipulate,scheming and blackmailing innocent woman and then wasn't even able to take responsibility putting all the blame on others? wow!i have no words ...lmao! Sonny should have dump Will long time ago, they both were pathetic and unhappy in their toxic marriage, even if Horita will happen it would be out of lack more gays in Salem and this even more pathetic... Once Paul knew that Will and Sonny was married, he should have backed off, but now he kept pursuing Sonny which wasn't a good thing. Yes Will did some things to try to save his marriage and Sonny is guilty too. He never told Will he kissed Paul a couple of times. Sonny lied to Will as well, I'm with you about more gays being in Salem but that doesn't stop Horita. If Sonny was so in love with Paul are confused about his feelings he should have told Will and not leading Will on. Will could tell there was something going on with Paul and Sonny. We probably can debate this, but you're not going to change your mind and I'm going to change mine but I do like a friendly debate.
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Post by meaghan on Aug 30, 2015 21:23:57 GMT -5
Dena left temporarily she will be back in few weeks,her interview was absolutely relevant as Days writer. I don't hate Will but if Horita gonna happen it would be another insult to Sonny character, i don't know how any of WilSon fan could want that,and involve with Paul after everything would make Will even bigger hypocrite than he already is. they should let Will character rest for awhile,then bring back and try to redeem him step by step, cos now he is horrible and very unlikable person,Horita would make it even worse,anyway current Will is too immature, egocentric and irresponsible to be involve with anyone Why should Will have to rest for a while and why is he getting so much hate when Paul is just as guilty if not more than Will. I know what Will did was wrong, but Paul had a hand in it too. Guy and Christopher have great chemistry and I don't see why their character can't get together. I'm not saying right now because Will need to find himself and take care of his little girl Ari. But Will didn't die he lost the love of his life, but life does go on. Sonny is the one that left Will. Sonny didn't just up and leave Will because he wanted to, though. Sonny left because Will hurt him many times, and continued to do so right up until Sonny left. If Sonny had cheated on Will with two separate people, then lied to Will constantly and tried to manipulate Will into staying, I'd have expected Will to do the same and get out. Once is a mistake, and two is a pattern. Just because it's the injured party that does the leaving, does not mean it's solely their fault for the separation. Also, I do not agree at all with this being more Paul's fault than Will's, and I'm not sure I ever will. Paul's behavior after the reveal could be branded as inappropriate. It's inappropriate to tell a married man you want him. Absolutely. But most of what Will did was downright unethical. Immoral. Trying to control other people's behavior and feelings through lying, manipulation, blackmail and bribery is pretty inarguably wrong. The reasons I don't want Will and Paul together are numerous... but the one the sticks out to me and makes me confused why any fan of Will would want that, is that Will knows without a doubt now that Paul loves Sonny very much. It's almost the entire reasoning behind why Will has been acting so crazy. If I still found Will rootable, I would want Will with someone who had no past with Sonny. Someone who isn't currently in love with another person. Someone who falls in love with Will, and only Will. I think I might've already said it on this board, but I just do not want round 2 of Will constantly comparing himself to someone else (in this case it would be Sonny). Getting together with Paul at any point in the near future would be an incredibly unhealthy relationship for Will, and would only fuel his insecurities. I like that they've addressed that Will needs therapy, but he's nowhere close to showing any improvement. He's still as damaged as ever, and getting together with someone who you know is in love with someone else, is only going to set Will back farther. If Sonny and Will do not reconcile somewhere down the line, Will needs to find someone of his own, not Sonny's leftovers. So with that said, if "Horita" does happen, I agree with Talula. It's because they're the two gay men left standing.
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Post by dalphine on Aug 30, 2015 22:52:21 GMT -5
I'm not saying all that Will did was right, but I know why he did it to save his marriage. It's not that I don't want Will and Sonny back together because I do, but since Sonny has left town, what is Will suppose to do sit around and wait and see if his husband will comes back. He needs to live his life and move on. That's why I said I want Will to get himself together to continue to see his therapist. Will knows what he did was wrong and he has accepted and took blame for it. But he shouldn't have to pay his whole life for his mistake should he. I think Will and Paul relationship would be very different from Will and Sonny.
By that last sentence I'm still rooting for Will and Sonny to unite, but life does go on as I keep saying. Also, if are when Sonny returns, he needs to fight to get Will back because he really hurt Will and he left Ari too, which he promise he wouldn't leave her again after the first time he went to visit his brother. Also I want to make it clear I'm not saying I want Will and Paul together right now because it's to soon. But I am a Horita fan.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 31, 2015 20:08:42 GMT -5
Guys, be nice. Not everybody has the same opinion about what happens on the show.
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Post by justinate on Sept 2, 2015 11:39:09 GMT -5
I suspect Will is to be the legacy character who'll be murdered by the serial killer. Guy's received a lot of criticism for his portrayal, and the character himself has been written to be increasingly unlikable. The new writers may have felt that it's easier to dispatch the character in a dramatic umbrella storyline instead of struggling to redeem him. And if they need canon fodder for the serial killer storyline, who better than Will?
William Robert Horton is the very definition of a legacy character: a Brady and a Horton, son of a supercouple, grandson of another supercouple (including Marlena Evans, perhaps the most iconic Days character), as well as great-grandson of another two famous couples: Alice & Tom Horton, and Caroline & Shawn Brady. By marriage he is additionally a Kiriakis - Adrienne and Justin's son-in-law and great-nephew of Victor. He grew up (for the most part) onscreen. Even those who've coem to dislike Will could still be moved by his toddler daughter being left fatherless. That's another reason why Will can be sacrificed: he already has a child. She'll be his legacy. And his parents will still have another child, Will's sister Ally, as an enduring symbol of their coupling. Will is, in that sense, replaceable. (And they're already bringing on another Brady-Horton-Evans character: Claire.)
Sami's coming back, so's Sonny. I'm hard-pressed to think why either would come back, especially Sonny, just for a bicentennial celebration. He didn't even grow up in Salem. Then we have Gabi returning. Will's death and Ari left without a parent seems the most likely explanation.
Guy often posts backstage photos, and hasn't in a good long while. And then there's the known disdain Ken Corday has for gay characters. He reluctantly agreed - after much persuasion - to bring on gay characters to boost the show's flagging ratings. It was a critical success but didn't do a whole lot for the ratings. Reading between the lines of Corday's interview gives it away. He says it's not important to win GLAAD awards, and that Days needed to go back to the way it used to be. Josh Griffith's hiring all but seals it. He specifically excludes the gay characters from his interviews and when he was hired most recently on The Young & The Restless, one of the first things that happened was the axing of the gay storyline planned for Noah Newman, scenes of which had already been filmed but were simply thrown away. (You'll understand what a big deal this is in this day of single-takes because they need to save money.) In fact I believe Griffith has written for almost all of the US soaps without penning a single notable gay storyline. Who better to hire to purge the gay presence on Days?
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 2, 2015 15:25:05 GMT -5
Killing Will will make the show gay free (i doubt they bring Paul any attention) and that means they will lost some publicity they have for the gay storyline and they will get some bad press (frankly, killing the gay character is a very tired cliche).
Soaps seem unable to integrate gay characters (and gay writers are not doing a good job at that either). Their path to irrelevance seems impossible to avoid if they are not able to have plots from the XXI century
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Post by seanny on Sept 2, 2015 19:21:15 GMT -5
I doubt that TPTB will kill Will off. I can see him seriously injured or presumed dead though. There are too many signs pointing to CM coming back as Will in 2016 out there.
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Post by dalphine on Sept 3, 2015 6:53:22 GMT -5
Did anyone see the Q&A Christopher Sean did on Periscope last night. I didn't see it, but heard and read some of the comments that people who saw it talked about what he said that Sonny will be coming back, but not for long but he's coming back he didn't say exactly when. These responses are from questions that were asked of Christopher and he responded.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 8:43:34 GMT -5
Sonny didn't just up and leave Will because he wanted to, though. Sonny left because Will hurt him many times, and continued to do so right up until Sonny left. If Sonny had cheated on Will with two separate people, then lied to Will constantly and tried to manipulate Will into staying, I'd have expected Will to do the same and get out. Once is a mistake, and two is a pattern. Just because it's the injured party that does the leaving, does not mean it's solely their fault for the separation. Also, I do not agree at all with this being more Paul's fault than Will's, and I'm not sure I ever will. Paul's behavior after the reveal could be branded as inappropriate. It's inappropriate to tell a married man you want him. Absolutely. But most of what Will did was downright unethical. Immoral. Trying to control other people's behavior and feelings through lying, manipulation, blackmail and bribery is pretty inarguably wrong. All of this, weak exploration of character perspective and Sonny shouldering major responsibility for his husband’s many problematic deeds helped make my viewing experience go from spotty to very short-lived. I just couldn’t take it seriously. Sonny leaving is one of the most sensical things to me out of this mess. It was funny how Will would use his child to try to rein Sonny in, to argue that he couldn’t abandon her and made a promise to her. It didn’t cross his mind that his repeated cheating and overall awful behavior, which could only have the extremely logical consequence of breaking the trust and therefore the core of marriage, would ultimately hurt his child the most. I’d cringe every time I saw him take it as far as making little jabs at Paul to his daughter or telling her about his pathetic twisted plans. By constantly endangering his commitment to his husband, he was the one singlehandedly endangering his own commitment to his child and her shot at having a happy, stable home. He did that. It was convenient of him to make it seem like it is Sonny who is abandoning and letting down their child by removing himself from an environment of forced cohabitation with someone he can understandably no longer trust and which would be bound to become toxic for their daughter. It’s just another example of manipulative, not truly repentant behavior. Sonny hasn’t owed Will anything for a while besides nicely served legal separation or divorce papers IMO. And what he may owe his daughter is to take the time to rebuild himself so that he can be in her life again as a better version of himself than the one that he was being or could become if stuck with his cheating and manipulative husband of late. Constraining yourself to stick it out in a dysfunctional home just for the sake of honoring vows already shattered by the other party whom you can justifiably hardly stand anymore is never healthy for kids in the middle anyway. As for Will getting with Paul once more, it’d just be another notch to a never-ending belt of dreadfulness for this character and I’m sure there’d be ways for him to ultimately blame it all on Sonny again, so it’s all quite plausible to me.
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Post by dalphine on Sept 3, 2015 9:06:43 GMT -5
Here we go again, put all the blame on Will. Paul was wrong for going after Sonny once he knew he was married and Sonny was wrong for leading Paul on and kept telling Will he loved him but wouldn't put a stop to Paul chasing after him. If Sonny would have made it clear to his husband that he didn't have feeling for Paul and showed it Will wouldn't have been so insecure. I don't care what is said, Paul and Sonny both had a hand in him leaving Will. Yes Will did somethings, but Sonny knew why he did them and he should have made his husband feels secure in their marriage.
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Post by thestorm on Sept 3, 2015 10:08:53 GMT -5
There is a big difference between thinking about cheating and actually doing it. For Sonny to tell Will he didn't have feelings for Paul would have been dishonest, and Will is so immature, I don't think it would have mattered. Sonny could have moved out, but he didn't. He tried couples counseling and going out together, but Will was manipulating it all. What more could Sonny have done to make Will to feel more secure? Ultimately, Will's lack of trust is Will's problem, and only he can overcome it. Paul didn't help matters, but, face it, this marriage was doomed before Paul even showed up. I wish Sonny would have slept with Paul again before he left. Will was already treating him like he had. It would have given us something worthy of watching the last few months.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 3, 2015 19:54:45 GMT -5
Yes Will did somethings, but Sonny knew why he did them and he should have made his husband feels secure in their marriage. Maybe, but I guess I'm not convinced that Sonny could ever have done enough to assuage Will's concerns. I've long felt that Will's insecurity is very deeply rooted. I think it would take a long time of Will working on himself, lots of difficult introspection, to make him more secure in himself.
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Post by jmi2000 on Sept 3, 2015 20:02:17 GMT -5
Did anyone see the Q&A Christopher Sean did on Periscope last night. I didn't see it, but heard and read some of the comments that people who saw it talked about what he said that Sonny will be coming back, but not for long but he's coming back he didn't say exactly when. These responses are from questions that were asked of Christopher and he responded. most of those people were rude & obnoxious asking stupid questions & making insulting comments, even about Hawaii 50!
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Post by jmi2000 on Sept 3, 2015 20:08:00 GMT -5
Here we go again, put all the blame on Will. Paul was wrong for going after Sonny once he knew he was married and Sonny was wrong for leading Paul on and kept telling Will he loved him but wouldn't put a stop to Paul chasing after him. If Sonny would have made it clear to his husband that he didn't have feeling for Paul and showed it Will wouldn't have been so insecure. I don't care what is said, Paul and Sonny both had a hand in him leaving Will. Yes Will did somethings, but Sonny knew why he did them and he should have made his husband feels secure in their marriage. Sonny didn't leave Will. Will pushed Sonny away!
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Post by meaghan on Sept 3, 2015 22:07:42 GMT -5
Yes Will did somethings, but Sonny knew why he did them and he should have made his husband feels secure in their marriage. Maybe, but I guess I'm not convinced that Sonny could ever have done enough to assuage Will's concerns. I've long felt that Will's insecurity is very deeply rooted. I think it would take a long time of Will working on himself, lots of difficult introspection, to make him more secure in himself. I have a little bit of a difficult time with sentiments like that too, not just because of what you said (which I agree with) but because this sort of implies that Will and Sonny have set roles in their relationship. Sonny is the care-giver, and Will the cared-for. Which is horribly unbalanced and unhealthy, IMO. Even though Will did something very damaging that hurt Sonny, Sonny is still expected to comfort Will and "fix" him in some way by being his steadfast, reassuring self. I'm not sure I know of many people at all who could reasonably endure such a blow to their self-worth as being cheated on (twice), and withstand that much damage to their feelings of security in their marriage... and still manage to put all that aside to assuage the fears and guilt of the person who hurt them in the first place. Yet, here we have Sonny who did, towards the end, try to take a huge amount of the blame away from Will. And that still was not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 23:13:13 GMT -5
Maybe, but I guess I'm not convinced that Sonny could ever have done enough to assuage Will's concerns. I've long felt that Will's insecurity is very deeply rooted. I think it would take a long time of Will working on himself, lots of difficult introspection, to make him more secure in himself. I have a little bit of a difficult time with sentiments like that too, not just because of what you said (which I agree with) but because this sort of implies that Will and Sonny have set roles in their relationship. Sonny is the care-giver, and Will the cared-for. Which is horribly unbalanced and unhealthy, IMO. Even though Will did something very damaging that hurt Sonny, Sonny is still expected to comfort Will and "fix" him in some way by being his steadfast, reassuring self. I'm not sure I know of many people at all who could reasonably endure such a blow to their self-worth as being cheated on (twice), and withstand that much damage to their feelings of security in their marriage... and still manage to put all that aside to assuage the fears and guilt of the person who hurt them in the first place. Yet, here we have Sonny who did, towards the end, try to take a huge amount of the blame away from Will. And that still was not enough.Right on the mark again. I recall being perplexed by some comments on the video where Sonny took on the burden of Will's baggage and gave Will yet another chance after just learning of the second cheating, which were basically stating that they were finally recognizing Sonny again, back to his old lovable self. If that's the generally accepted premise to Wilson, then I'm indeed not cut out for it, lol.
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Post by dalphine on Sept 4, 2015 0:08:32 GMT -5
Who thinks they been holding back on the gay love scenes, even with Paul and Derrick we only seen them afterward in towels which I'm not complaining about. They didn't even let Sonny and Will do anything but kiss once. I'm pissed off about it too. Isn't everyone supposed to be treated the same. I mean Hope and Aiden are always in bed. Or am I reading things the wrong way. It reminds me so much of Luke and Noah they didn't kiss for so long they started a clock to see how it would be before they kissed again
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 4, 2015 5:25:05 GMT -5
There is a big difference between thinking about cheating and actually doing it. For Sonny to tell Will he didn't have feelings for Paul would have been dishonest, and Will is so immature, I don't think it would have mattered. Sonny could have moved out, but he didn't. He tried couples counseling and going out together, but Will was manipulating it all. What more could Sonny have done to make Will to feel more secure? Ultimately, Will's lack of trust is Will's problem, and only he can overcome it. Paul didn't help matters, but, face it, this marriage was doomed before Paul even showed up. I wish Sonny would have slept with Paul again before he left. Will was already treating him like he had. It would have given us something worthy of watching the last few months.Again, if Sonny and Will had been an opposite sex couple, Sonny would have slept with Paul months ago. Just like how Sonny's mother, Adrienne is now with Lucas, because Justin was off in China, having his own affair. Also, really what more could Sonny had done to "prove" his support, faith and love to Will, after all the things and words he has said, since he chose to be with him, after finding out the truth about the baby?! After finding out about Will sleeping with Paul?! After finding out that Will purposely chose to take off his wedding ring, during his writing assignment with Paul?! After finding out, that Will had a one night stand in California, in which he kept quiet about for months, until Sonny dragged the truth out of him?! Why is it that Sonny's expected to just constantly take and accept this never-ending crappy behavior from Will? Will was supposed to honor and respect his vows of being faithful to Sonny, his husband and he couldn't do it. Why shouldn't Will be blamed for it?
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 4, 2015 5:36:55 GMT -5
I have a little bit of a difficult time with sentiments like that too, not just because of what you said (which I agree with) but because this sort of implies that Will and Sonny have set roles in their relationship. Sonny is the care-giver, and Will the cared-for. Which is horribly unbalanced and unhealthy, IMO. Even though Will did something very damaging that hurt Sonny, Sonny is still expected to comfort Will and "fix" him in some way by being his steadfast, reassuring self. I'm not sure I know of many people at all who could reasonably endure such a blow to their self-worth as being cheated on (twice), and withstand that much damage to their feelings of security in their marriage... and still manage to put all that aside to assuage the fears and guilt of the person who hurt them in the first place. Yet, here we have Sonny who did, towards the end, try to take a huge amount of the blame away from Will. And that still was not enough.Right on the mark again. I recall being perplexed by some comments on the video where Sonny took on the burden of Will's baggage and gave Will yet another chance after just learning of the second cheating, which were basically stating that they were finally recognizing Sonny again, back to his old lovable self. If that's the generally accepted premise to Wilson, then I'm indeed not cut out for it, lol. I'm not interested in seeing stories like that written for any fictional pairing. Yet, I find it very weird that I've seen this pattern happen again and again with fictional gay pairings on soaps.
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Post by justinate on Sept 4, 2015 7:47:52 GMT -5
Ken Corday will love this thread. It's practically a carte blanche for him to write out the gays because the very people who are supposed to be fans of these characters are opposed to them having any kind of love life. He rarely listens to what the fans want, but I'm sure he'll make an exception for this one since it lines up with his own interests - i.e. to purge the gays from Salem.
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