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Post by dalphine on Sept 4, 2015 8:04:01 GMT -5
I'm glad I'm not the only one feel that way, they might be trying to get rid of the gay storyline. Which if they do, I won't be watching any more. That's what brought me to DOOL.
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Post by jmi2000 on Sept 4, 2015 10:07:44 GMT -5
I have a little bit of a difficult time with sentiments like that too, not just because of what you said (which I agree with) but because this sort of implies that Will and Sonny have set roles in their relationship. Sonny is the care-giver, and Will the cared-for. Which is horribly unbalanced and unhealthy, IMO. Even though Will did something very damaging that hurt Sonny, Sonny is still expected to comfort Will and "fix" him in some way by being his steadfast, reassuring self. I'm not sure I know of many people at all who could reasonably endure such a blow to their self-worth as being cheated on (twice), and withstand that much damage to their feelings of security in their marriage... and still manage to put all that aside to assuage the fears and guilt of the person who hurt them in the first place. Yet, here we have Sonny who did, towards the end, try to take a huge amount of the blame away from Will. And that still was not enough.Right on the mark again. I recall being perplexed by some comments on the video where Sonny took on the burden of Will's baggage and gave Will yet another chance after just learning of the second cheating, which were basically stating that they were finally recognizing Sonny again, back to his old lovable self. If that's the generally accepted premise to Wilson, then I'm indeed not cut out for it, lol. Sonny was turned into Will's enabler somewhere along the way. they didn't just change Will's character; they changed Sonny's also. of course, a lot of people were enabling Will.
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Post by blake on Sept 4, 2015 12:13:25 GMT -5
SPOILER:Fall Preview
This is the Fall Preview from SOD from Ken Corday (executive producer)
Gabi:Corday previews that Gabi's release from prison leaves Will ecstatic and she will happily reunite with her daughter.However an unexpected event will soon turn everything upside down for the family unit of Will,Gabi,and Arianna Grace.
I'm sorry to say that there was nothing said about Paul unless I missed it.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 4, 2015 16:45:25 GMT -5
This is why I hate when couples get married on soaps because they make vows and repeatedly refer to their vows but they don't actually understand what those vows mean, it's like folks cherry pick them. Sexual fidelity that couples make and Will broke that but Honesty, For Richer or For Poorer, In sickness and In Health & Til Death Do You Part are ALSO vows that matter. Sonny lied about the club, bankrupted their family, before Will even met Paul Sonny knew he was their had made out with him twice and knew that Paul wanted him back and was not avoiding Paul but rather continuing to see him and not telling any one. Will cheated then lied and schemed to keep Sonny but Sonny played his part in the relationship destruction as well. Throughout their relationship Sonny has kept secrets from Will that were much bigger than Will fathering Ariana after Sonny drilled it into Will's head that they should never keep secrets. Sonny is no angel. He didn't have sex with someone else but he definitely played his part in the destruction of that relationship.
Both partners are to blame when a marriage fails. You ask couples who have been married for 40 years and they'll tell you that getting past cheating is THE LEAST of concerns, even lying when it comes to sustaining a marriage. It's supposed to be til death do you part.
I don't really care that Will & Sonny are getting a divorce (if they are getting one, I'm assuming they will but who knows) I just hate that no matter what Sonny does that is clearly wrong, he is never held accountable for it. He's like Abby. They are never at fault for their own decisions. For me that made him very unlikable in the last year which is sad because I really want all the gay characters on Days to continue and to have a future.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 4, 2015 16:56:45 GMT -5
Ken Corday will love this thread. It's practically a carte blanche for him to write out the gays because the very people who are supposed to be fans of these characters are opposed to them having any kind of love life. He rarely listens to what the fans want, but I'm sure he'll make an exception for this one since it lines up with his own interests - i.e. to purge the gays from Salem. Who's proposing that Will or Paul not have any sort of love life on the soap? What I'm seeing, is that some viewers can see how screwed up Will is and that if he's still written in the way that he's behaved with Sonny, when he's involved with another guy, the same result may happen again: Will damaging any sort of romantic future and sharing his life with someone, because he really doesn't think that he deserves that guy in his life. Nobody here is advocating for Corday to not write anything for the gay characters. We would just like to see those characters treated, written and portrayed like their fellow straight characters on the same show. Do you know how many times Adrienne and Justin have cheated on one another, found new lovers, moved on from each other, divorced and found themselves back together again?! Numerous times. I just think the same could be written for GLBT characters, without folks losing it over those characters not being used as role-models or that one half of the pairing, constantly has to keep on forgiving how his spouse continues to throw his love, support, faith and respect back into his face, because some folks are scared that if they don't accept it all, TPTB will take it all away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 18:06:42 GMT -5
But are all viewers supposed to unanimously cheer Will’s behavior on and not criticize him, because of his gayness? Opinions, we all have them and they’re not always positive regardless of what others might do with them. If any legitimate criticism or mere sensible assessment of a gay story/character leads to (a claim of) erasure of all gay stories/characters, I'm thinking the problem wouldn't lie with the people doing the legitimate criticism. Sonny was turned into Will's enabler somewhere along the way. they didn't just change Will's character; they changed Sonny's also. of course, a lot of people were enabling Will. I did see that Will had people finding him excuses either immediately or after some time constantly, at times even Paul of all people, and yet with all of that coddling he could still find ways to knowingly push things further in the wrong direction. At least one enabler removed himself from the situation for now, because there's something quite wrong there.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 4, 2015 19:08:53 GMT -5
Please move this to General Discussion. This topic is not a discussion of any spoilers.
Thanks.
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Post by mms575 on Sept 7, 2015 22:58:20 GMT -5
This is old but i didn't see it posted : www.serialscoop.com/2015/08/rumor-guy-wilson-leaving-days-of-our.html Michael Goldberg is the same guy who broke Freddie leaving the show. He also wrote the blind items about Jordi Vilasuso and Vincent Irizarry joining Days so he has some credibility. I hope Will doesn't die i have watched Days since before he was born.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 8, 2015 18:56:54 GMT -5
I hope not. I'm really starting to hate shows writing out characters by killing them.
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Post by meaghan on Sept 8, 2015 20:13:25 GMT -5
There are other things that have hinted, at the very least, at Will being gone from the canvas. Guy's name is no longer on the contract actor cast chart that got leaked a while back. But more likely I think he'll be dying, or fake-dying anyway.
I think it's a disappointing way to end Will Horton's storyline. As much as I have begun to dislike him, I still did not want him to die. I wanted them to redeem him in some way. I don't think he was ever meant to be a villain, so I think with various efforts, they could have made him someone I could enjoy watching again.
I just can't really grasp the concept that Will and Sonny's storyline could be over for good.
I am all for a fake death and a recast with some better writing somewhere down the line. That would be my ideal scenario.
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Post by blake on Sept 12, 2015 17:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 12, 2015 21:37:04 GMT -5
Well I for one have always loved Will & Sonny as characters even if I wasn't always happy with their choices. To have 2 lead gay characters from pivotal legacy families was so groundbreaking and so much more could have been done with both characters for the long haul. Why can't they just send Will away like they do with other characters who come back every couple years? Will has been on the show since birth. It's such a waste to kill him off even if he's not in the forefront at least keep him on the canvas. Sigh. Well I guess the folks who've been so vocal about their dislike of the character will finally be satisfied. But it's a real blow for visibility on US daytime and it kinda breaks my heart that the writers lack the imagination to do more with Will, Sonny & Paul. So much build up just to get rid of them all in the same year.
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Post by stormymac on Sept 13, 2015 9:24:43 GMT -5
Well I for one have always loved Will & Sonny as characters even if I wasn't always happy with their choices. To have 2 lead gay characters from pivotal legacy families was so groundbreaking and so much more could have been done with both characters for the long haul. Why can't they just send Will away like they do with other characters who come back every couple years? Will has been on the show since birth. It's such a waste to kill him off even if he's not in the forefront at least keep him on the canvas. Sigh. Well I guess the folks who've been so vocal about their dislike of the character will finally be satisfied. But it's a real blow for visibility on US daytime and it kinda breaks my heart that the writers lack the imagination to do more with Will, Sonny & Paul. So much build up just to get rid of them all in the same year. CDL is as reliable as Dayscafe when it comes to spoilers. They wait until actual soap outlets, such as DaytimeRoyalty, put up their spoilers, or in this case the new Days 50th promo, and then make speculations and promote them as actual spoilers, like they are "in the know". According to Dayscafe's spoilers for this past week, the serial killer's identity was supposed to be revealed. I guess she was wrong ( shocker). Look at the article heading, wills-heroic-efforts-end-in-tragedy-murder-brings-sami-and-sonny-home, it's stated as fact when the actual article says different: Perhaps Will could walk in on the murder in progress and manage to save his grandmother. The killer will obviously want to take out anyone that tries to stop him or her. Maybe Will’s heroic actions will allow Marlena to get away, but ultimately lead to his own death. Even if Will were to survive the attack, he might end up in a coma clinging to life.The entire article is speculation, nothing more. Hell, they even hedge their bets by speculating that Will might die but, then again, he might live (ooooh, they really went out on a limb with that one). Sure, some of it might actually happen but it would be because they guessed correctly, not because they actually know what's going to happen.
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Post by meaghan on Sept 13, 2015 22:51:35 GMT -5
Well I for one have always loved Will & Sonny as characters even if I wasn't always happy with their choices. To have 2 lead gay characters from pivotal legacy families was so groundbreaking and so much more could have been done with both characters for the long haul. Why can't they just send Will away like they do with other characters who come back every couple years? Will has been on the show since birth. It's such a waste to kill him off even if he's not in the forefront at least keep him on the canvas. Sigh. Well I guess the folks who've been so vocal about their dislike of the character will finally be satisfied. But it's a real blow for visibility on US daytime and it kinda breaks my heart that the writers lack the imagination to do more with Will, Sonny & Paul. So much build up just to get rid of them all in the same year. I'm vocal about my dislike for Will, but having him killed off is the opposite of satisfying, as far as I'm concerned. What I wanted was for the wrongs of the past year to be righted, both in the writing, but mostly within the context of the show. If Will dies, that can't happen. I wanted to watch him grow the hell up and REALLY come to terms with his behavior (I haven't felt sincerity from a single admission of wrongdoing so far... I still don't think he gets it) in some kind of meaningful way that showed growth, instead of severe regression. (And I also wanted a recast, but that's a separate/forbidden topic). Also, just for the record, I agree with Stormymac - Celeb Dirty Laundry is not a reliable source for spoilers. It's not that whatever they're saying might not coincidentally turn out to be true... but as has already been pointed out - it's not going to be because they've got inside info.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 14, 2015 17:25:48 GMT -5
If the spoilers aren't legitimate then they shouldn't be posted here. I'm not sure what the purpose of speculation is. If it's not canon it doesn't really matter.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 14, 2015 21:38:06 GMT -5
Speculation is the nature of the beast. It's part of the discussion of the show, IMO. You won't find a board that doesn't engage in it. I don't know why it's always a big deal here with some.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 15, 2015 19:47:51 GMT -5
Yeah, speculation is definitely part of the fun for some, which is why I don't really have a problem with it (most of the time). I've certainly done my share of speculating. Sometimes it can go off the rails, though, but most of the time it's fine (here, anyway). As long as people are clear about what is confirmed as a legit spoiler versus what is just speculation.
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Post by mms575 on Sept 16, 2015 16:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 16, 2015 17:08:51 GMT -5
I wish Guy Wilson the best of luck in his career after leaving the show.
The direction of how TPTB chose to write the Will character's behavior and actions was not his fault.
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Post by blake on Sept 16, 2015 17:19:36 GMT -5
I want to personally wish Guy Wilson all the best of luck in his acting career also his producing career as well.I think it's VERY STUPID to be killing off Will.I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we hear in the near future that Christopher has been let go.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 16, 2015 19:59:06 GMT -5
Oh, damn. It's a big mistake to kill of Will Horton, IMO. Despite my opinion on what they've done with the character, I don't want him dead. Best of luck to Guy, assuming this is accurate. I have to ask, though. Is Serial Scoop a reliable source?
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Post by stormymac on Sept 16, 2015 20:37:45 GMT -5
Oh, damn. It's a big mistake to kill of Will Horton, IMO. Despite my opinion on what they've done with the character, I don't want him dead. Best of luck to Guy, assuming this is accurate. I have to ask, though. Is Serial Scoop a reliable source? Yes, Michael Goldberg is the one who broke the news that Freddie was leaving. Also, Jason hasn't disputed any of his reports and that's good enough for me.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 16, 2015 21:02:30 GMT -5
Why is everyone getting their panties in a knot about Will dying. If you have watched this show for any amount of time several legacy characters have been killed off (on screen)and come back from the dead. Hope died in an explosion in front of Bo and Steve. Roman fell off a cliff and died in Bo's arms. Stefano has died more than once, as has his son Tony. Jack had died more than one and came back more than once. Marlena has died. John has dies several times as well. Oh and let's not forget Steve (Patch) Johnson who was dead for about 20 years before they brought him back (with the same actor). And does anyone remember the whole serial killer story like back in 2003/2004 where practically everyone including Alice Horton was killed off only to come back to life because they were stuck on an island somewhere. Death on any soap doesn't mean all that much and it means even less on DOOL. And the character of Will has a great chance of coming back (after having been recast of course) because he's a legacy character.
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Post by justinate on Sept 16, 2015 21:03:09 GMT -5
Sadly, this has been very predictable. I was torn between amusement and annoyance to read comments elsewhere that Will would not have been killed off if Chandler was still in the role and that it was Guy's portrayal that had brought about the character's murder. IMO, the only reason Will became a marked man to Ken Corday is his homosexuality. Everything else about the character he could have fixed. Don't like Will's current behaviour? Write him a redemption arc. Don't like Guy's portrayal of Will? Recast (or un-recast, as the case may be). But Will's homosexuality was the deal-breaker. Corday wasn't foolish enough to turn Will straight again, knowing the kind of backlash the show would face. So murder was the only option. They were looking for a legacy character to kick the bucket for this serial killer arc, and Will fit the bill perfectly.
I only started watching Days because of the gay characters and although I still like a lot of the characters/actors, I won't be watching after Will's funeral. I'm confident Paul will be a non-entity, or at least a non-sexual one, until he receives his own marching papers. Corday's vision for Days' 50th anniversary is clear: the gays have no place in Salem. It's truly despicable and I want no part of it.
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Post by mms575 on Sept 16, 2015 22:06:36 GMT -5
Why is everyone getting their panties in a knot about Will dying. If you have watched this show for any amount of time several legacy characters have been killed off (on screen)and come back from the dead. Hope died in an explosion in front of Bo and Steve. Roman fell off a cliff and died in Bo's arms. Stefano has died more than once, as has his son Tony. Jack had died more than one and came back more than once. Marlena has died. John has dies several times as well. Oh and let's not forget Steve (Patch) Johnson who was dead for about 20 years before they brought him back (with the same actor). And does anyone remember the whole serial killer story like back in 2003/2004 where practically everyone including Alice Horton was killed off only to come back to life because they were stuck on an island somewhere. Death on any soap doesn't mean all that much and it means even less on DOOL. And the character of Will has a great chance of coming back (after having been recast of course) because he's a legacy character. A lot of fans including myself hated the story with everyone alive on the island because when the killing spree was happening the show said the the characters wouldn't turn out to be alive. Some of the characters you are talking about there bodies were not found and Stefano took Roman's body and Lawrence Alamain took Steve body so it was some doubts about there deaths. I am sick of back from the dead stories because they bring the character back and so that death means nothing. I think the reason he is being killed of is because he is a legacy character someone we saw grow up on-screen not someone new to the show so it will give the story more weight. Why kill the character in the first place? Will could just leave town maybe go with Sonny or with Sami. If they are going to kill him he should stay dead or they shouldn't do it.
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