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Post by overtherainbow on Aug 3, 2015 13:51:31 GMT -5
Guy Wilson is a good actor he's not the best,but he's not the worst either.I have noticed over the last few weeks on another message boards that Guy really has taken a beating it's sad too me that people can't separate character from the actor.Guy is just doing what is written for him to do that is his job that is what he gets paid too do.He's got to pay the bills some how and believe me when I say living out in California is NOT cheap.The way I see it this if you don't like Will then fast forward through his scenes,but don't bash Guy.I have to admit that I'm a little worried because I know his contract ends later on this month,and there has been no word if he has re-sign or not. He's a terrible actor, that isn't the script's fault, it's his own. He is extremely wooden and has the same facial expressions no matter what happens. Oh, and believe me.. I certainly am fast forwarding through his scenes.
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Post by blake on Aug 3, 2015 14:10:26 GMT -5
Guy Wilson is a good actor he's not the best,but he's not the worst either.I have noticed over the last few weeks on another message boards that Guy really has taken a beating it's sad too me that people can't separate character from the actor.Guy is just doing what is written for him to do that is his job that is what he gets paid too do.He's got to pay the bills some how and believe me when I say living out in California is NOT cheap.The way I see it this if you don't like Will then fast forward through his scenes,but don't bash Guy.I have to admit that I'm a little worried because I know his contract ends later on this month,and there has been no word if he has re-sign or not. He's a terrible actor, that isn't the script's fault, it's his own. He is extremely wooden and has the same facial expressions no matter what happens. Oh, and believe me.. I certainly am fast forwarding through his scenes. Well there are rumors going around that are saying that Guy has been let go from the show.
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Post by talula on Aug 3, 2015 15:14:34 GMT -5
He's a terrible actor, that isn't the script's fault, it's his own. He is extremely wooden and has the same facial expressions no matter what happens. Oh, and believe me.. I certainly am fast forwarding through his scenes. Well there are rumors going around that are saying that Guy has been let go from the show. Yes i heard that too, but it's still just a rumor, Chris been seen on set last week, so he is still filming and considering recent casting calls looks writers have plans for Paul in near future,but despite of my total despise for present Will' character i don't want him go.
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 3, 2015 16:08:25 GMT -5
Maybe discussion of Guy Wilson as an actor can go in the Guy Wilson thread? It would be nice to be able to talk about the storyline without having to wade through all the actor hate, IMO.
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Post by blake on Aug 3, 2015 16:09:33 GMT -5
Well there are rumors going around that are saying that Guy has been let go from the show. Yes i heard that too, but it's still just a rumor, Chris been seen on set last week, so he is still filming and considering recent casting calls looks writers have plans for Paul in near future,but despite of my total despise for present Will' character i don't want him go. I like Will,but right now I can't stand him so I'm hoping that the new writers can fix him.I don't wish anybody out of a job I'm so hoping we get a casting call for a new Sonny.
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Post by overtherainbow on Aug 3, 2015 16:41:18 GMT -5
Yes i heard that too, but it's still just a rumor, Chris been seen on set last week, so he is still filming and considering recent casting calls looks writers have plans for Paul in near future,but despite of my total despise for present Will' character i don't want him go. I like Will,but right now I can't stand him so I'm hoping that the new writers can fix him.I don't wish anybody out of a job I'm so hoping we get a casting call for a new Sonny. If you're bad at your job, then yes, you aren't the right one. Guy Wilson is a terrible actor, and has made Will unwatchable (yes, the script is party to blame too). If there's better actors out there to play Will I say do a casting call. Get rid of Guy Wilson because he can't act his way out of a paper bag.
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Post by dalphine on Aug 3, 2015 18:05:13 GMT -5
It's just terrible all the hate for Guy Wilson for me, it's a form of bullying the actor. I see if you don't like the things Will the character is doing, but talk about the actor it's just not right.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 3, 2015 19:12:08 GMT -5
Do not bash the actors. You've been here long enough to know better than that.
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Post by jijiang1987 on Aug 4, 2015 4:56:52 GMT -5
Getting Guy out of the show is impossible.So the best thing is that YOU yourself stop watching the show if it is unwatchable to u~Bye babe?
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 18, 2015 17:55:15 GMT -5
I'm very interested to see what the show does with Paul and Will and I hope we haven't seen the last of Derrick. It is always a mistake on a show to have only 2 regular gay characters. It will be interesting since Paul and Will are now both related to core characters on the show.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 18, 2015 19:31:05 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! Well, goodbye Sonny Kiriakis. To be honest, it felt rushed. It also felt like the motivation was still contrived. They've kept hitting the same beats over and over, so his decision to leave was just more of the same. They kept trying to push the idea that Sonny wasn't over Paul, and maybe he wasn't, but it came across to me that he was fine until enough people had said it over and over and over again. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophesy. As for Will, I do still feel some sympathy for him. He pushed Sonny too far and has (for the time being) lost him. He caused the very thing he was desperate to prevent. His heart is breaking (as is Sonny's), and I do sympathize with him for that. I'm curious what they'll do with Will and Paul now. Based on his recent behavior, I bet Will will blame Paul for Sonny leaving .
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 19, 2015 5:24:45 GMT -5
Well, I have to say that I'm glad that the writers finally let Sonny admit too himself and Will, that his husband just can't stop manipulating and lying, to try and make things "right" or "perfect".
It's sad that Sonny had to leave everyone that he loves in Salem behind, in order to get a chance to breathe, think and figure out what he wants, but Will would have never stopped trying to "fix things", that he caused to screw up.
Let's see how Will behaves during this time frame, because he doesn't have Sonny there, to be his cheerleader anymore.
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Post by harmonium on Aug 19, 2015 11:20:34 GMT -5
The thing about Sonny's last scene (for now) seemed very telling in a way. Victor and Sonny keep emphasizing it won't be long till he's back. And especially the part where Justin said, "Don't take too much because by the time you get back, the decision may have already been made for you." It felt like the writers and producers are deliberately giving hints that Sonny will be back in the near future. And to say that Freddie is taking this chance to venture out for the time-being and he will be welcomed back if he decides to come back in the foreseeable future (ie. they gave him a timeframe). But if he decided to leave for good or takes too long to make a decision (after the timeframe), Sonny will be replaced with another new actor for good. That's how I view this episode.
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 19, 2015 17:09:58 GMT -5
I would be perfectly fine with Sonny being recast as long as the actor is good but It would great if the recast doesn't also accompany a complete change in the writing for the character like it did for Will and Chad. The roles of Sonny Kiriakis and Will Horton could have real staying power if they are written properly. That's what I want to see, flaws and all.
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Post by meaghan on Aug 19, 2015 21:41:29 GMT -5
I was very, very sad to see Sonny go, and very dissatisfied with his exit as well. I did not appreciate how obvious it was that the writers felt they needed to just explain away his absence instead of utilizing it and building it into the plot in a way that was not rushed and made sense. It's their job. They could've come up with something better than this.
I do think it makes sense that Sonny would need to get out and be with neither of these men for a time, but the whole abruptness and the Paris/Casino explanation was ridiculous, IMO. I would've preferred something dramatic, but as an alternative to what we actually got, I wouldn't even have minded if they just said he was going to move across town and we just didn't see him much (if at all) except for random comments that he had dropped Ari off or something.
If they are leaving the role open for Freddie to possibly return, I'm all for that, because though I can obviously be proven completely wrong, I just feel like Freddie brought a grounded humility and genuine kindness to Sonny that is going to be nearly impossible to replicate. I firmly believe that Freddie is at least half of the reason Sonny ended up being such a well-liked character. I've said it before that I would tread carefully because I do understand that negative actor comments are prohibited - but unfortunately I just do not feel the Will role currently benefits from the same advantage as the Sonny role had.
As for the culmination of the overall Will/Paul/Sonny storyline - I absolutely with certainty feel this was a case of a self-fulfilling prophecy for Will. No doubt. He caused exactly the thing he was afraid of. Guy pointed this out in an interview, and I agreed with him.
I think Sonny did have a residual fondness for Paul, which IMO, when you are in a relationship like they were, makes complete sense, and is no reason to hold anyone back from moving on with another person. So, unlike some other opinions I've read, I don't think that means Sonny wasn't being honest, or didn't mean every word he ever said to Will. He may have desired a husband, but Sonny had plenty of other opportunities to pick other people, and to save himself some trouble by not dating such a complicated and troubled person. He loved Will, defended his love for him constantly, but the fact is that Will just broke his heart too many times and too badly - both with the cheating, and with the constant, unrelenting manipulation and desire to control every situation and everyone else's feelings, including Sonny's.
This, IMO, led Sonny to inevitably and understandably start feeling differently towards Will. This is not the kind of behavior that would've ever attracted Sonny to Will in the first place, and is not the way Will acted when they fell in love. Will changed. Once this sunk in fully with Sonny, he started gravitating towards Paul for (IMO) two reasons:
1) It wasn't really Sonny that kept Paul coming around... the constant mention of him to Sonny from nearly every family member, along with Will's inability to have a conversation without bringing Paul up, kept Paul on Sonny's mind. I think Sonny was making a genuinely valiant effort to let all this go and move on, but it seemed like everyone else wouldn't let him.
2) The behavior Paul exhibited may have been inappropriate (considering Sonny is married), but I would not call it morally wrong or underhanded or selfish, like much of the behavior Will displayed. I don't understand why Will thought all this manipulation and scheming was going to end well for him, or EVER be okay with someone like Sonny. I'm not saying that it makes Paul a better person overall, but it certainly makes him a better match for Sonny at this point. Paul was very consistent and unwavering in his devotion to Sonny. The behavior Will displayed seemed selfish and at times, like he didn't care much for Sonny specifically, only that he didn't "lose" to Paul or fail by ending up like his parents with a broken home for his daughter.
That was very long, but all of it illustrates why this ending was so frustrating. If Sonny DOESN'T come back to continue to the story, we're left in indefinite limbo, with no resolution or answers to any of that. What was the payoff for this nearly year-long story arc supposed to be exactly?
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Post by harmonium on Aug 20, 2015 10:23:34 GMT -5
[quote author=" meaghan" source="/post/354675/thread" timestamp="1440038489"If Sonny DOESN'T come back to continue to the story, we're left in indefinite limbo, with no resolution or answers to any of that. What was the payoff for this nearly year-long story arc supposed to be exactly? [/quote] Exactly, which leads me thinking that possibly: (1) Freddie's decision to leave the show was pretty much a very last minute notice in which the producers/writers are unable to fully exploit the potential of this storyline. (2) Freddie had given the heads up that he might leave the show and they were trying to negotiate to get him to stay or give him alternatives, which in the end they were unable to come to an agreement, which is why they were so draggy with the storyline and had to gave a rather awkward ending when Freddie decided to go finally. This is truly a frustrated story. I mean Freddie left at a point where his character could have been presented with a different shade.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 26, 2015 19:18:49 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit!
And there it is ... Will blames Paul for Sonny leaving. He sort of seems to suggest that at some level he sees his part in how things fell apart, but he doesn't really seem to own it. I really don't want to see Will snipe at Paul over and over like that. Sigh.
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Post by meaghan on Aug 26, 2015 20:05:33 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! And there it is ... Will blames Paul for Sonny leaving. He sort of seems to suggest that at some level he sees his part in how things fell apart, but he doesn't really seem to own it. I really don't want to see Will snipe at Paul over and over like that. Sigh. I don't either, because I want Will to take true responsibility. He still doesn't seem to understand he hurt Sonny, and that's why Sonny's gone. I think he still believes he's getting punished. But, with that said, I'd rather him snipe at Paul than have Will and Paul hop in bed again, which I'm afraid will happen sooner rather than later. Hopefully, as long as they are angry at each other like this, that's not where they're headed. I just am not looking forward to the potential/possibility of pairing Will up with yet another person that he's going to feel loves someone else more. He continuously accused Sonny of loving Paul instead of him. He knows now for a fact Paul loves Sonny back. If Will ends up wanting to be with Paul in any way, even with that knowledge... well. I do not want another endless horizon of Will comparing himself to someone else and scheming as a result in order to make himself look like the better choice.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Aug 27, 2015 6:02:28 GMT -5
Thanks, mrfixit! And there it is ... Will blames Paul for Sonny leaving. He sort of seems to suggest that at some level he sees his part in how things fell apart, but he doesn't really seem to own it. I really don't want to see Will snipe at Paul over and over like that. Sigh. I don't either, because I want Will to take true responsibility. He still doesn't seem to understand he hurt Sonny, and that's why Sonny's gone. I think he still believes he's getting punished. But, with that said, I'd rather him snipe at Paul than have Will and Paul hop in bed again, which I'm afraid will happen sooner rather than later. Hopefully, as long as they are angry at each other like this, that's not where they're headed. I just am not looking forward to the potential/possibility of pairing Will up with yet another person that he's going to feel loves someone else more. He continuously accused Sonny of loving Paul instead of him. He knows now for a fact Paul loves Sonny back. If Will ends up wanting to be with Paul in any way, even with that knowledge... well. I do not want another endless horizon of Will comparing himself to someone else and scheming as a result in order to make himself look like the better choice. Unless, Will finds another guy, who also has little experience in relationships and dating, he'll never be able to stop wondering about his new guy's past relationships. Hopefully, this time, he won't tell them to not talk to him about their past like he did with Sonny. I think that Will, until he gets a bit more mature and honest about himself, he will continue to not take full responsibility of his behavior, his feelings of self-doubt and his need to try schemes, lies and manipulation to get what he wants.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Aug 27, 2015 19:16:21 GMT -5
Giving you the heads up I will no longer be doing video's Hi Ron Mrfixit: Due to a copyright takedown notice that we received, we had to take down the following videos from YouTube:
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Post by Zathras on Aug 27, 2015 19:44:19 GMT -5
Oh, no. I'm sorry to hear that . But thank you very, very much for all the work that you've done over the years .
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Post by jason47 on Aug 31, 2015 18:37:24 GMT -5
AUGUST 2015 EPISODE RANKINGS & STATS:5 ACTORS TIE FOR AUGUST LEAD...ONLY 8TH TIME TO HAPPEN IN "DAYS" HISTORY...PLUS COSGROVE, READ & WILSON LEAD MONTH FOR FIRST TIME EVER: 5 actors tied for the August monthly episode lead, only the 8th time so many actors have tied for the monthly lead in "Days" history. 6 people have tied for the lead 3 times, and 5 people have tied for the lead 5 times. In addition to this, this was the first month ever that Daniel Cosgrove (Aiden), James Read (Clyde) and Robert Scott Wilson (Ben) led for the month. DAILY CAST CHART: Review each day's cast list from August 2015 at www.jason47.com/days/castcharts2015.html2015 Episode Rankings. Here's how many episodes each actor has appeared in this year (1/1/15-8/31/15), out of a total of 169 episodes. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.com. Rank. Actor (Character) # of Episodes1. Shawn Christian (Daniel Jonas) 95 *. Guy Wilson (Will Horton) 95 *. Arianne Zucker (Nicole Walker) 95 4. Billy Flynn (Chad DiMera) 91 *. Kate Mansi (Abigail Deveraux) 91 6. Melissa Archer (Serena Mason) 89 7. Eric Martsolf (Brady Black) 84 *. Casey Moss (J.J. Deveraux) 84 *. Freddie Smith (Sonny Kiriakis) 84 *. Greg Vaughan (Eric Brady) 84 August Episode Rankings. Here's how many episodes each actor has appeared in this month (8/1/15-8/31/15), out of a total of 21 episodes. For the complete list, please visit www.jason47.comRank. Actor (Character) # of Episodes1. Kristian Alfonso (Hope Brady) 14 *. Daniel Cosgrove (Aiden Jennings) 14 *. Kate Mansi (Abigail Deveraux) 14 *. James Read (Clyde Weston) 14 *. Robert Scott Wilson (Ben Weston) 14 6. Billy Flynn (Chad DiMera) 13 7. Casey Moss (J.J. Deveraux) 12 8. Galen Gering (Rafe Hernandez) 11 *. True O'Brien (Paige Larson) 11 10. Michael Cardelle (Kyle Southern) 10 SET TOTALS: August 2015Club TBD...18 Park...17 Horton Town Square...16 Horton Town Square Private Area...16 Kiriakis Mansion...15 Nurses' Station...15 Brady Pub (Booth only)...12 Edge of the Square...10 Kyle's Apartment...8 Ben's Apartment...7 DiMera Study...7 Caroline's Hospital Room...6 Daniel's Apartment...6 Horton Living Room...6 Abigail's Office...5 Aiden & Hope's Hotel Room...5 Sonny & Will's Apartment...5 Aiden's Office...4 Chad's Hotel Room...3 Kayla's Office...3 Police Conference Room...3 Hope's Office...2 Hospital Lab...2 Hospital Waiting Area...2 Kiriakis Shed...2 Paul's Hotel Room...2 Roman's Office...2 Anne's Office...1 DiMera Garden...1 Eric's Apartment...1 Hope's Bedroom...1 Hope's House...1 Horton Town Square (Int. Mandalay Cafe)...1 Hospital Corridor in Nurses' Station...1 Kiriakis Garden Bench...1 Kyle's Apartment (Ext. Window Area)...1 Prison...1 Serena's Hotel Room...1 DIRECTORS & SCRIPT WRITERS:8/3/15: Albert Alarr & David Cherrill 8/4/15: Steven Williford & Carolyn Culliton 8/5/15: Herb Stein & Janet Iacobuzio 8/6/15: Herb Stein & Richard Culliton 8/7/15: Grant A. Johnson & Carolyn Culliton 8/10/15: Albert Alarr & Jeanne Marie Ford 8/11/15: Steven Williford & Richard Culliton 8/12/15: Albert Alarr & David Cherrill 8/13/15: Phil Sogard & Carolyn Culliton 8/14/15: Grant A. Johnson & Melissa Salmons 8/17/15: Grant A. Johnson & Danielle Paige 8/18/15: Herb Stein & David Cherrill 8/19/15: Grant A. Johnson & David Cherrill 8/20/15: Phil Sogard & Jeanne Marie Ford 8/21/15: Phil Sogard & Carolyn Culliton 8/24/15: Steven Williford & Melissa Salmons 8/25/15: Steven Williford & Richard Culliton 8/26/15: Albert Alarr & Richard Culliton 8/27/15: Albert Alarr & Melissa Salmons 8/28/15: Grant A. Johnson & Carolyn Culliton 8/31/15: Grant A. Johnson & Richard Culliton www.jason47.com
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Post by Zathras on Aug 31, 2015 20:40:35 GMT -5
I'm responding here because this is about the past, not the spoilers... I personally don't think Paul is just as guilty as Will, but he did make some mistakes. Once he learned Sonny was married he should have kept his distance, not declare his undying love to Sonny. He had to know Sonny well enough to have known it wasn't going to get him back with Sonny; that it wasn't that easy. Especially after Sonny made it clear he wanted to make things work with Will. In some ways it did seem that he tried to respect that. At any rate, I don't begrudge him the feelings, and he could have confided in John or someone else, but that was a mistake on his part. So I do think Will had some basis to be concerned over what Paul wanted. And from that standpoint I understand him wanting to act, to try to protect his marriage. But whatever his immediate motivations were (and what he told himself to justify his actions), at the end of the day he showed a tremendous lack of trust in Sonny. He assumed Sonny was easily willing to just up and leave him, despite what Sonny told him to his face. And once you get to the point that you can't trust your partner, it's all over. Unless that trust can be rebuilt, it's just a matter of time before it falls apart. To me, therefore, while Paul was indeed a temptation for Sonny, I still believe that the person who ultimately destroyed his marriage was Will. Will's insecurity, his lack of trust, his lack of faith, his immature need to control the situation, and his inability to actually take responsibility for his actions all did him in. He ceased to be the man Sonny fell in love with. I do like that Sonny gave him ample opportunity to redeem himself (in Sonny's eyes), but Will never truly took that to heart. With all that said, the part that really bothers me is that the show seemed intent on telling me that Sonny was just looking for a reason to leave Will and go back to Paul. How many people kept trying to tell Sonny what he felt? But that's not what I saw on screen. The only time I saw him really torn was right at the end - after he (and viewers) were told repeatedly that Sonny was supposed to feel that way. Until then he was trying to give Will every opportunity to repair their marriage. So it felt to me like it ended up as a self-fulfilling prophesy. If the show was trying to sell me on Sonny's actual state of mind, they did a really poor job of it. There will be a Horita story line even if the haters don't like it, it's coming. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I think it depends on whether Sonny returns (re-cast). If he doesn't, then it does seem likely they would put Will and Paul together eventually, just in virtue of them being the last two gay men around. As a viewer, the thought of Will being rewarded for all the crappy things he's done, especially to Sonny, is repulsive. I wouldn't call Will ending up in a relationship with Paul as being "rewarded" for his actions.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 3, 2015 6:23:01 GMT -5
Sadly and not surprisingly, the writing for Sonny was never really a strong focus for the writers and the executive producers of the show. When they re-wrote Sonny's (at the time) feelings and desires during his relationship with the Brian character, I felt that the Sonny character was cut off at the knees, in terms of his own storyline, in order to rush the Will and Sonny pairing.
I felt like Sonny's sole purpose, was to just to be present and show Will and the audience how much he loved him. To the point, that when Will used up all that love, care, faith, affection and trust and threw it back in Sonny's face, some viewers needed to try and find fault in Sonny's behavior. Or Paul's behavior. Or in the acting capabilities of the actor portraying the role of Will.
The writing, in my opinion, was the cause of why we couldn't see Sonny truly torn between Will and Paul, until his last 24 hours in Salem.
I also hate to say it, but if Sonny and Will were an opposite sex couple, we would have gotten a lot more focus on Sonny's feelings from that character and that wouldn't have been left to Adrienne, Lucas and others to talk about how he felt.
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Post by dalphine on Sept 3, 2015 6:35:50 GMT -5
Even though I didn't come into this storyline tell later, but I did go back and watch Will coming out storyline with CM and I agree Sonny and Brian had chemistry and I was hoping they would go that way but you're right they quickly shut that relationship down. Sonny was there to prop up Will/CM character which reminded me so much of the Luke and Noah storyline on ATWT. They never gave Noah, his own story line which he did deserve and Noah was a great character.
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