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Post by dalphine on May 6, 2011 13:15:33 GMT -5
Olli was really young at the time and we all think about getting back at our partner if they cheat on us. I just feel that they're just redoing the same storyline just in reverse. But it can be done if they take care in doing it right. I didn't watch Ulli and Olli only in videos years later so I really can't committ as much, just what I have seen.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 13:23:50 GMT -5
Olli was really young at the time and we all think about getting back at our partner if they cheat on us. I just feel that they're just redoing the same storyline just in reverse. But it can be done if they take care in doing it right. I didn't watch Ulli and Olli only in videos years later so I really can't committ as much, just what I have seen. But Olli kissing Coco or talking about it being the person you fall in love with or encouraging Charlie to date Stella is NOT that far back. It makes Olli come off like a hypocrite especially when it's just thrown out there without Olli reflecting on the issue and how it might be hypocritcal of him to feel that way (something like "I know it might make me a bit of a hypocrite, but I must admit it still bothers me") even if he still feels that way. And stuff like saying that Christian was a stone cold hetero when Olli met him makes him come off even more stupid and/or petty. Does Olli really think the world works like this? It doesn't suit at all many of things he has said about love. For us to really feel that aspect of the story they have to actually SHOW it. To create that emotional connection to the character. Because standing on its own it just seems hypocritical or misogynist at worst. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 13:27:28 GMT -5
I think Olli has the right to have these feeling. Christian has done this several times and he feels that Christian is wanting to get back with women he thinks it's best if they take time out so Christian can make up his mind what he really wants. He has the right to have any feelings but, imo: 1.) I find it hard to relate to them. This shouldn't be news to Olli. AND he himself was the target of bisexuality distrust. He himself has encouraged people to be bi (think Charlie/Stella) and not be so judgemental. So this rings extremely false to me, especially since imo the show hasn't really gone into the detail and dealt with the gravitas. IMO with Chrolli's story background they could easily have a scene where Olli pours his heart out to somebody and admits that his fear go back to the whole surrogate issue/not being able to have biological children together. IMO that would have been more belivable even with Olli's history. 2.) It felt like he was swapping issues. I find that really annoying in a conversation. Olli doesn't do himself any favors with it when he's being obtuse. That's why I liked the big about it feeling like a sacrifice to him to give up children because that part felt actually honest/Olli actually saying what he means deep inside. I agree with your first statement. I think it would be more credible that would be the case. Not so much that since having Lily he feels he wants to have a family. Chrisitian is younger than Olli yes and he has said himself that he wants children. I think that the thing with Lily just took a toll on him and he just wanted to step back for a bit. Not to bash Olli, but he was determined to push the issue. If he gave Christian a few months, given how Chrisitan will do anything for Olli, he would have come around to the adoption issue. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 13:29:37 GMT -5
Olli was really young at the time and we all think about getting back at our partner if they cheat on us. I just feel that they're just redoing the same storyline just in reverse. But it can be done if they take care in doing it right. I didn't watch Ulli and Olli only in videos years later so I really can't committ as much, just what I have seen. But Olli kissing Coco or talking about it being the person you fall in love with or encouraging Charlie to date Stella is NOT that far back. It makes Olli come off like a hypocrite especially when it's just thrown out there without Olli reflecting on the issue and how it might be hypocritcal of him to feel that way (something like "I know it might make me a bit of a hypocrite, but I must admit it still bothers me") even if he still feels that way. And stuff like saying that Christian was a stone cold hetero when Olli met him makes him come off even more stupid and/or petty. Does Olli really think the world works like this? It doesn't suit at all many of things he has said about love. For us to really feel that aspect of the story they have to actually SHOW it. To create that emotional connection to the character. Because standing on its own it just seems hypocritical or misogynist at worst. Speaking of Coco, Olli says that he can't compete with a woman, Chrisitan was with a woman when he first met him and he had no trouble taking him away then. That's way there has to be more to this than we are being led to believe. |
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Post by nalunelly on May 6, 2011 13:30:58 GMT -5
I understand why Olli is nervous about Christian cheating with women but that is only because of my feelings about this - the writers haven't adequately addressed this. I think they wanted to split them up in a way that would convince fans that they were still in love with each other. That would allow the writers to have them long for each other (when convenient for the writers) and keep the audience waiting for their inevitable reconciliation.
Did I hear that Tom Chroust was back as a writer? My sense from watching the videos from GOOL is that he isn't a big fan of happy couples because there aren't a lot of storylines there.
I can't help but wish that Jo and Thore would get a well thought out storyline worthy of their talents. So many of the other actors are just typical soap actors - fine but not compelling.
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Post by dalphine on May 6, 2011 13:37:59 GMT -5
I wish they would to without them breaking up, there can be drama in a relationship. I just want this storyline to be told correctly and believeable.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 13:42:50 GMT -5
Chroust has been back for a while, he's actually written a lot of the recent episodes.
Among other things he wrote:
- Chrolli with Lilly in the dream house
- Chrolli at Hagen and Marlene's wedding (Jessica making a scene with Ansgar)
- Christian and Andi party with Jessica (NOT the waking up the day after episode)
- Helena breaking up with Andi (including Christian talking to Helena on Andi's behalf)
- Andi screaming in fromt of Helena's window and making her a video tape (including Chrolli and Andi arguging about how to proceed with the Helena situation and Chrolli arguging about giving Andi leeway on the rent)
- Helena and Andi start their therapy (including Christian/Andi conversation about not liking therapy)
- The episode we are talking about (sex, Olli sending Christian away)
- Today's episode (Christian with Dana at the stables)
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 13:48:18 GMT -5
I wish they would to without them breaking up, there can be drama in a relationship. I just want this storyline to be told correctly and believeable. Alas, they gave that storyline to Helandi it seems  And I bet my ass they are going to follow it up with a story about Helena in peril, Andi heroically standing by her and proving what a great boyfriend he is and how right she was to forgive them ending up closer than ever. Probably in the form of the accident storyline and Andi "proving his love" by screwing over his friend Nico in the process. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 14:43:16 GMT -5
I think that the Cholli s/l will be better than the Helena/Andi s/l. They are going to therapy, but Andi's heart isn't in it and since Helena thinks she's perfect how can she get anything out of it.
I'd rather see Chrolli seperated and longing to be together. That will be a lot more interesting. No one does the longing looks like those two.. Remember when they were walking on the street and were looking at each other? Christian might not have been very emotional today, but you put Olli in the same room and he won't be able to stop it.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 14:50:17 GMT -5
I think that the Cholli s/l will be better than the Helena/Andi s/l. They are going to therapy, but Andi's heart isn't in it and since Helena thinks she's perfect how can she get anything out of it. . I think it's gonna suck, but because of the acting/lack of chemistry. I think it is actually completely seriously intended as romantic and positive. Just look at their new bio pages. And the episode ended with Helena changing her ways and realizing she has to pitch in as well. So I think that *intentionwise* it is totally intended as a getting closer together story. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 14:58:18 GMT -5
Looks can be deceiving. You get out of therapy what you put into it. Andi never takes anything serious and Helena is too much so. I agree with you on the chemistry. They have none. I like Andi, he make me laugh one minute and want to smack him the next, but Helena is just too stiff. I just don't understand why he would want her. I was so upset when they got back together. He and Miri were so much better.
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Post by nalunelly on May 6, 2011 14:58:47 GMT -5
I'd rather see Chrolli seperated and longing to be together. That will be a lot more interesting. No one does the longing looks like those two.. Remember when they were walking on the street and were looking at each other? Christian might not have been very emotional today, but you put Olli in the same room and he won't be able to stop it. I agree. I am fine with longing looks and perhaps a stolen kiss here and there when they get help themselves as long they aren't relegated to supporting roles again. I can't imagine the writers would keep them apart permanently since they clearly have good chemistry. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 15:07:04 GMT -5
I don't want them to be in supporting roles either. Helping Dana/Helan/Andi, when their own lives are falling apart. Since they have done this big split, I'm hoping they would spend some time on them. Isn't that the point? If you're happy, you get pushed to the back and when you're miserable that's when you are font and center.
Rebecca is happy so she's just supporting. Same for Charlie. Right now though, I guess everyone is miserable, so they have to spend time on them all. Let's just hope Chrolli will get equal time.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 15:09:06 GMT -5
Looks can be deceiving. You get out of therapy what you put into it. Andi never takes anything serious and Helena is too much so. I agree with you on the chemistry. They have none. I like Andi, he make me laugh one minute and want to smack him the next, but Helena is just too stiff. I just don't understand why he would want her. I was so upset when they got back together. He and Miri were so much better. But VL not being able to know chemistry even if it bit them in the ass has a loooooooong tradition. They have gone with the couple with less chemistry about 99% of the time and foolishly stuck with chemistry free couples till the bitter end. Phil and Nico over Nico and Andi. Helena and Andi over Andiand Miriam. Sarah and Leo over Gregor and Sarah. Lydia and Sebastian over Olivia and Sebastian. Dana and Hagen over Tristan and Dana. Judith and not Constantin over Judith and Constantin. Ludwig and Elisabeth over Ludwig and Charlie. If there is anything you can rely on on VL is that 95% of the time they go with the couple with less chemistry if there is a choice of two. The few times when there actually is chemistry it's usually luck or big writer devotion (Chrolli, Lydia and Ansgar, Tanja and Sebastian). Especially if a couple is a main couple like Sarah and Leonard or Nico and Philipp they will NEVER abandon the couple no matter how bad the chemstry is or how much the story is hated by all viewers. I thought there was maybe a chance that Andi and Helena might make it and actually break them up eventually because they weren't THE main couple (Phil/Nico was), kinda the way they finally broke up Lydia and Sebastian in the end. But alas, I think the hope is in vain. I think the writing and the bios make is clear that they still see Helandi as a main couple even if they took them out of the banner. I actually think that based on screentime and story attention Helandi will take over Phico's job as most annoying screentime eating/boring everyone to death couple. So yeah, Helandi will prevail, no matter how stupid it is. It was the same with Leo and Sarah after they got married and constantly fought over really petty and cruel things, having completely different goals in life and always disagreeing. With every other couple you would have thought that they were preparing them for a break up but no, apparently the writers were actually serious with that and thought that it was supposed to be romantic and sweet. Only right now she seems to be supporting Helandi more than Chrolli. It just feels deeply out of character to me that she wouldn't be more shocked and surprised at Chrolli's breakup. Yeah, she might do some support but it's all extremely casual, NOT like characters reacting to something that should be a big deal. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 15:22:18 GMT -5
I know. I was really hoping that phone call she got at the shop was from Olli. it would have been great for her to run to her friend's side at his time of need.
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Post by sonia38 on May 6, 2011 18:39:26 GMT -5
Looks can be deceiving. You get out of therapy what you put into it. Andi never takes anything serious and Helena is too much so. I agree with you on the chemistry. They have none. I like Andi, he make me laugh one minute and want to smack him the next, but Helena is just too stiff. I just don't understand why he would want her. I was so upset when they got back together. He and Miri were so much better. Yea, Andi is a real funny guy and I just cannot see him being romantic it's just not in his makeup. I thought he would have fit better with Rebecca or Miriam more so than Helena. but as lolaruns stated it seems the people in charge of this show does not care about chemistry at all or they would nip these horrid parings in the bud and go with what works. I think Dana/Tristian would be really good together. Right now Andi and Helena can take a long vacation and never come back, they are beginning to tire me out. If they break them up, that would be a big relief and a step in the right direction. I for one do not see the chemistry between Seb and Tanya, I cannot stand her and Seb is just too aloof, he is like a cardboard cut-out just like the prince. But the show is hell bent on keeping all these chemistryless people together. There is a method to their madness, they don't care who the fans wants, it's who they want together that matter. |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 21:16:34 GMT -5
Andi was more himself with Miri. I didn't see him with Rebecca. He was relaxed and fun. With Helena, he just seems stupid, because she's so motherly and he's like a little boy, that she always has to correct.
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Post by sonia38 on May 6, 2011 21:54:16 GMT -5
They played really well off each other when Andy tried on the wedding ring and it fell down the drain, I thought that scene was really funny and they seem to mesh together just like when Andy was talking about wanting a child and Rebecca told him he might leave the child at the supermarket. I just think they would have been 100% better than him and Helena. Tristan should have not been her brother and they would have been great together. I don't think whomever is in charge actually watch the show or they would see how terrible these couples are together.
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 22:34:16 GMT -5
I remember that. Yes they were funny. I'm not sure if I could see them as more than friends. It's strange they don't interact more. You would think that the director would get some sense as to how things come off after a scene, after all it's his name that goes in the credits. From what Jo and Thore said in an interview. Many times they get things in one take. Maybe that's the way they do with everything and some people are as quick to get things as others. However, as long as they have been working together, you would think they would start to jell a bit. You have to wonder if they are aware of how people feel about them as a pair, if so, you would think they would work together and try and improve it.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 22:35:00 GMT -5
Maybe they could have told essentially the same story with Tristan vs. Andi without him being her brother but more like Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights, a kid they took in at young age who grew up with the rest of the family. And the reason why he can't just tell Helena he loves/wants her and fight for her openly is because he's a bit messed up in the head. I dunno.
But yeah, technically Andi/Helena could/should work in theory. Like she grounds him and he makes her more fun and spontaneous. That's probably what it should be on paper. Except it doesn't work AT ALL. It's like their chemistry goes right past each other. Rather than them affecting each other in an opposites attract/complement each other it's like their flaws just exist along each other and don't intercut at all. It's just painfull to watch them.
And yes, traditionally with Andi's history him going for Rebecca (even if only for a hot fling) eventually would have made a lot more sense than him declaring Helena is eternal love. It just doesn't seem believable when he has been in so many many many many pairings and almost any other pairing in his long string of relationship was more appealing and well beloved than his current one yet we are supposed to believe that his current one is his big and last eternal love? Andi just seems like a guy who got to a certain age where he wants to settle down so he declares the chick he meets the soulmate chick. Kinda like that joke on Sex and the City how men never want to commit till suddenly they get to a certain age/phase and it's like a taxi suddenly flashing the available sign. You have to get in right at that window and you are the soulmate chick but if you meet him before or after he wouldn't even be interested in you.
I think with Tristan/Helena the appeal was that imo Tristan is the only guy on the show where I buy that he's actually hot for her smartypants attitude rather than seeing it as something it as a necessary evil one has to put up with. That's why I thought Helena's recent line about how she can only be herself with Andi was such joke. Yeah sure, being with the guy who constantly complains about your way with dealing with things really is being yourself. I tend to think that if Helena is overly analytic and perfectionist and high maintainance isn't that "her" too. It makes more sense for her to finally find a guy who genuinely doesn't mind that part of her or genuinely finds it hot. Anytime Andi says something along those lines, he just (imo unintentionally) comes off like he's lying. The chemistry is just all wrong.
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Seb and Tanja, it's hard to explain. With Seb I think the appeal is being finally being put in more interesting stories. Also, he (new actor) is kinda so stiff that in every pairing that they could put him him that he would seem like the killjoy partner of the relationship. But Tanja makes him seem like the casual guy in comparison. ;D With Tanja is just that romances for her are so rare because she is so abrasive and everybody pretty much knows that she's bad news so it's really rare for a guy to give her the time of day (or she immediately thinks of the guy as inferior like David). Plus, a lot of their dialog in the private is really, really funny in German. Like Sebastian giving her a lecture on the history of hotdogs. ;D Or his casual/funny "Naw" when she's in a bad mood and says no to sex. It's kinda hard to put into words. It's true that she is icy for most of the time, but there have been some good episodes where they have more emotional interaction like the episode where Tanja is giddily happy when Sebastian announces their engagement or the scenes when she was in the hospital because there was worry she might lose the baby.
And part of the fun is that 50% of the time Tanja looks on Sebastian and her feelings for him like a disease she must get rid of. It's just a funny situation and the Tanja actress plays it very well. She also always gets the best and funniest/sarcastic voice overs that is much better than the hallmark card drivel that Dana/Helena/Nico/Elisabeth usually spout off.
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Post by ncecho on May 6, 2011 22:42:15 GMT -5
Andi was more himself with Miri. I didn't see him with Rebecca. He was relaxed and fun. With Helena, he just seems stupid, because she's so motherly and he's like a little boy, that she always has to correct. I never understood why he went back to Helena. Miri is absolutely adorable. You know what they say-subconsciously men look for women that remind them of their mother |
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Post by Trish on May 6, 2011 22:43:34 GMT -5
That's the thing. Except for her working at the construction site, which is what got Andi all hot and bothered for her again, what wild thing has she done. Maybe if she let loose a bit, it would be good. Oh, I forgot. She ate pizza out of the box and drank beer from a bottle. She acted like the pizza had fallen in the dirt the way she was eating it.
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Post by lolaruns on May 6, 2011 22:48:52 GMT -5
Except Andi previously and traditionally seemed to much prefer the funny "sparring with each other with jokes" kind of girl like Nico or Alexa. It just doesn't make sense with Andi's track record at all.
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Post by teachgirl on May 6, 2011 22:51:21 GMT -5
Andi was more himself with Miri. I didn't see him with Rebecca. He was relaxed and fun. With Helena, he just seems stupid, because she's so motherly and he's like a little boy, that she always has to correct. I never understood why he went back to Helena. Miri is absolutely adorable. You know what they say-subconsciously men look for women that remind them of their mother Ah, the mother question. Sorry to be Freudian, but I have been thinking about this in relation to Christian. I can't imagine the show really dealing with it. Some random observations that probably have no coherence, but: Christian lost his mother at a young age. How does this play into his relationships to women? At various points in their relationship, Olli has "mothered" him a bit as well, but then Olli's attention got focused succesively on the bar, then parties and Rob, then Lilly. Is that why he's drawn to women? Again, no idea where I'm going with this, just speculating. |
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Post by sonia38 on May 6, 2011 23:00:01 GMT -5
That's the thing. Except for her working at the construction site, which is what got Andi all hot and bothered for her again, what wild thing has she done. Maybe if she let loose a bit, it would be good. Oh, I forgot. She ate pizza out of the box and drank beer from a bottle. She acted like the pizza had fallen in the dirt the way she was eating it. Helena eating the dried out pizza. yukk, that pizza looked disgusting, even thought that episode was such a long time ago, the best thing I remember about that was Olli saying "Ich liebe Audrey Hepburn".  |
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And I bet my ass they are going to follow it up with a story about Helena in peril, Andi heroically standing by her and proving what a great boyfriend he is and how right she was to forgive them ending up closer than ever. Probably in the form of the accident storyline and Andi "proving his love" by screwing over his friend Nico in the process. 
