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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 26, 2011 23:42:30 GMT -5
Because it seems like it's needed, here's a bitterness thread. Just remember this is for people to post their grievances with the show. It's not for folks to tell people to think positively but rather to lighten up the regular discussion thread so that it doesn't get weighted down by the negativity that people need to get out.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 19:41:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the thread! Perfect timing. Against my better judgment, I just watched today’s episode without the subtitles, just because. Apparently, it turns out I enjoy self-inflicted aggravation from time to time. Especially since DeRo wasn’t even in the episode, although it hasn’t made much of a difference to me in the latest episodes. At least watching today taught me something: the quality of the show these days makes subtitles incredibly less necessary, it’s odd. So, Florian is still a minor fleeing from his father because he’s 17 years old . The same age he was a year ago when he first showed up in Essen, am I right? And man, both he and the girl version of Franz are so boring. They should be the young generation, the show's future or whatever. Whatever indeed.  Also, Katja… and Ben… Nah, I just give up. Way too easy and already headache-inducing. Ingo and Annette are going through a real crisis, and yet too much nonsensical stuff is being wrapped around it for me to even consider their emotional turmoil real. I mean, how can Annette who apparently still refuses to take a pregnancy test by the way be ready to dramatically announce to her husband that she’s probably pregnant by Tom even though there’s always the very plausible possibility that she could be pregnant by Ingo? If she’s even pregnant at all (which again, she inexplicably refuses to make sure of)? Who are these people and where are their brains? Something is wrong when seeing the Max character is a welcome reprieve from the insanity. At least I kind of recognized this character. And finally, my poor Isabelle, still trapped in a meant-for-each-other storyline that won’t die despite its stupidity. In conclusion, even when I give it a random shot, this show reminds me why I should keep away again. Thanks, show. |
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Post by camjakefan on Apr 27, 2011 23:01:41 GMT -5
macari I know what you mean. I faithfully watched this show on line for 2 years when I discovered Dero even if I only understand roughly 40-60% of it. There was always at least 1 other storyline that caught my interest. Usually Annette and Ingo. Ingo used to be funny now he's not anymore. All these idiotic cheating storylines. If you're gonna do it do it right. The writers seemed to have forgotten how to tell a story. the stories are full of plot holes and then they don't know how to provide closure to the stories or tell us how the character got from point A to point B. I wanna know if there has been an influx of new writers or something. I need an explanation or does the show need some new writers.
I could care less about Tom and Vanessa or Isabelle. I just wanna say to Izzy move on he doesn't want you, you're beautiful find someone else.
I don't want to start of BenKat. Katja annoyed me from the beginning so I won't go into my diatribe on her twue wuv story.
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Post by butterfinger on Apr 28, 2011 2:31:25 GMT -5
So, so true.
Ben and Katja are so over. And Ben is "so in lurve" with Katja. *yawns*
DeRo? What was that again?
Ingo and Annette - when has Ingo turned into the self-righteous pod-character? So HE does have good sperm because HE has a daughter ... who is - what - 15 now? Hello? Things can change in 15 years.
And Flo and whatshername? If they are the future ... I can live without it.
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Post by sooky on Apr 28, 2011 10:05:45 GMT -5
… You know, I think I remember that Anette CAN'T get pregnant at all…? Like, is infertile or something. I don't exactly remember when and where and it might just be a mindghost haunting me… can anyone confirm/stomp this? Because if it is true, I'm headdesking.
Katja? Ben? Purlease. Isabelle and Claudia all the way. Oh, wait, that was just in my head… nevermind.
I don't know… :/ There were a few gems back then in the Marc days… and Roman made me cry when he quit skating… and the ten days of bitching before the two days of bliss made my heart warm… WHERE HAVE YOU GONE?! Are you out of your minds, writers? The TV landscape doesn't need yet another shallow show about superficial… gnarf!
But we all knew it was coming sooner or later when Franz confessed he was a girl and Flo was asked to endure the bullying because HE'S NOT GAY SO IT'S OKAY. It's not like people get bullied in real life for appearing gay. Or being gay. Or even killed. No, no.
Roman should have, for arceus' farfetching sake, dealt with it the way he dealt with Bulle! D< C'mon, don't let Bulle have died for nothing!
I also hate how they pictured Isabelle as the bad person. The clingy psychomaniac. C'mon, do you think the audience is THAT stupid? I'm team Isabelle ANY DAY over team BeKa or whatever they call it. Ben is the worst of 'em all, a two-timing liar who just wants to have his cake and eat it, too. Well, he was, now he's just a pathetic excuse for a character who claims to be good.
And Anette… I miss those days when she was really bubbly. Even her well-meant advice only seems delusional now… Well, it did for a while. "Katja honeycheeks, he's only about to get married. Don't worry, he'll choose you over that pretty, hot, blonde skater who's a bad, evil princess any day! He'll make you happy! Don't ever worry about him betraying you, the one he's betraying right now is an evil witch – you're the princess, you and him are MEANT to be together!"
Also, the whole: "Oh, her EMOOOTIONS!" Professionality? Please?! Katja, pull yourself together or do the audience a favour and EXPLODE. It would make for better dramatic tension that that BS with Ben.
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Post by megi307 on Apr 28, 2011 10:20:18 GMT -5
I just watched today’s episode without the subtitles, just because. Apparently, it turns out I enjoy self-inflicted aggravation from time to time. Especially since DeRo wasn’t even in the episode, although it hasn’t made much of a difference to me in the latest episodes. At least watching today taught me something: the quality of the show these days makes subtitles incredibly less necessary, it’s odd. You`ve no idea how much you're lucky if you don`t understand/ or understand just a little bit !!! Unfortunately, I do understand what they say, just do not understand why they say such bullshit!!!I'm still not over the last episodes with "great" conversation between DeRo ... At first, I was REALLY happy to see DeRo back together cause I`m a sucker for the reunion stuff (especially reunion of DeRo), but then I could not be more disappointed  That scene made me sick and I'm not sure if I still want DeRo together ...but I know that my friend, who does not understand German at all, have more fun watching the show than I do !! After almost 4 years of watching the whole show, I just could not care less about all this crap So sad... So, can't say I agree with you, macari !!! *evil smile* IMO, the subtitles does make it worse, much more worse than we all expected !!! |
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Post by zeweirdnattt on Apr 28, 2011 10:40:32 GMT -5
I get angry. I can't feel apathy towards the show, because I hate how they took something so good and are ruining it. I wish I could be indifferent to it, the way it's going right now.
I wanted so much a conversation between Deniz and Roman and when we finally get one, it's short, doesn't explain much and as Roman used to describe Deniz's decisions in the past, "the path of the least resistance".
It's sad to see characters and actors with so much potential having to go through with shitty writing and plots. *le sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 11:08:58 GMT -5
So, can't say I agree with you, macari !!! *evil smile* IMO, the subtitles does make it worse, much more worse than we all expected !!! Ha! Really? I trust you on that, I’m not sure I’ll be checking to verify that theory. It’s bad enough without subs. They can say whatever they want, those people I’m seeing are not Deniz and Roman. There’s such a fatigue on the show in every aspect (writing, plots, delivery, pizzazz, even song selection, etc.) that it even drains the viewer that I am when I do watch, lol. |
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 28, 2011 14:25:37 GMT -5
During the Deadly!Virus storyline at Steinkamp (remember that had the locker room fight between Roman & Vanessa when she woke up and found Roman snuggled up with Deniz), Annette caught the virus and it made her infertile. Something like that but it happened as a result of that storyline.
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Post by gabyta07 on May 1, 2011 22:32:50 GMT -5
Seriously, Roman and Deniz, are tiring me...A LOT
is like they cheat on each other every two weeks.
I understand is a soap, so it needs drama, but the relationship can have other problems.
Like money problems, miscommunication
I do like the couple, but I can't take more of this cheating rollercoaster.
Another thing, is that I dont know how they can be still be together, both of them have been really malicious towards each other.
Sometimes I feel they should get it over with it, and break up for good.
Although on the other side I dont want to
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Post by camjakefan on May 17, 2011 15:15:06 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me what's missing? I feel like there is something lacking in the sceneor plot. Maybe because I don't understand in it's entirety or what. I'm watching what is supposed to be really moving scenes but I don't feel that moved. Maybe it's me or do the actors seem to not be giving their all as if they are tired of the cheating stories.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 16:34:09 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me what's missing? I feel like there is something lacking in the sceneor plot. Maybe because I don't understand in it's entirety or what. I'm watching what is supposed to be really moving scenes but I don't feel that moved. Maybe it's me or do the actors seem to not be giving their all as if they are tired of the cheating stories. I’ll tell you what’s missing: everything. Absolutely everything. The lines, delivery, facial expressions, etc. everything is so wooden, indifferent and superficial. There is no depth in the stories and it looks like the actors are as tired with trying to seek that depth in their performances as we the viewers are with trying to find it somewhere, anywhere. There's definitely effort from our great actors, especially in the latest episode, but since it's going nowhere real or tangible, it also falls short somehow. Watching the “emotional” impasse of these characters now wasn’t even painful or as draining as before; it was completely unaffected. For sure, there’s one thing I’m grateful for: we all saw it coming too long ago to be truly shocked or surprised by this. Months and months ago, this ending would have highly frustrated me, much more than other endings for couples and characters I’ve seen on soaps. But here and now, I watched this with third-party imperviousness. It’s like the show has slowly been de-sanitizing itself of anything DeRo, and, honestly, anything gay (and I'm not talking about the physical stuff because I honestly don't crave it for the sake of it). It’s just reassuring that DeRo wasn’t the only one targeted: the whole show lost it. The couple and two individual characters I enjoyed bailed forever ago; it would have been imprudent of me to expect them to return just to deliver a fantastic, reasonable and memorable separation. Really, I’m glad I’m not new to this story and I’ve long compartmentalized between real!DeRo and phony!DeRo. It seems the actors kind of have too. |
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Post by butterfinger on May 18, 2011 11:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by mitsaso on May 19, 2011 7:56:26 GMT -5
Okay, I haven't watched AWZ in a long while (apart from an episode here and there), and despite never really being a DeRo fan, I remembed the show as a whole to be lots of fun! What exactly happened that the show has completely gone to ruins (according to everybody I read on the internet, including eskimokissproject who bailed as if they saw it coming in advance)? Did the writing or directing team entirely change or something? Or is the show not as over-the-top fun as it used to be?  |
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Post by Lilith on May 19, 2011 21:30:45 GMT -5
... including eskimokissproject who bailed as if they saw it coming in advance)? Yes, weren't we lucky to have those trusty crystal balls!  Not to mention being able to fashion those handy golems to talk about how "the winds have changed" and how the characters we'd known and loved were leaving Essen for good. What a crazy random happenstance! |
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Post by camjakefan on May 24, 2011 15:03:38 GMT -5
I'm so disgusted right now. how could the show take my beloved couple and destroy it like that. I'm glad I have my memories. So long show it was good while it lasted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 23:38:45 GMT -5
Reading spoilers, kind of getting the gist of what’s to come and sadly, failing to care or feel as repulsed by yet another potentially tragic ending for a gay character as I should be. I wouldn’t have thought this possible a year ago.  |
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Post by wallywa617 on Jul 7, 2011 22:18:45 GMT -5
well there's one more get gay couple gone...... this year has been horrible for them! Jackson & Aaron, Kevin & Scotty, David & Fer, Christian & Ollie, Teddy & Marco, Lionel & Marshal, Brendan & Ste........ either the shows got cancelled, the characters got axed, or the characters died........ what is going on! grr.....
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Not to mention being able to fashion those handy golems to talk about how "the winds have changed" and how the characters we'd known and loved were leaving Essen for good. What a crazy random happenstance!
